NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

mastin2 · Post Post #1400 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 8:22 am

Twenty-eighth Votecount

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AKA, the "Modding's a pain in the ass" votecount

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Nachomamma8 - 7 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty, Slandaar, Desperado, BeautyAndTheBeast)

Red Ryu - 5 (Oversoul, Thor665, thezmon221, Bulbazak, Syryana)

Bulbazak - 1 (fuzzybutternut)
Cephrir - 1 (Baby Spice)
DLG - 1 (CrashTextDummie)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Desperado - 1 (Nachomamma8)
BeautyAndTheBeast - 1 (Kublai Khan)
Bacde - 1 (Om the Destroyer)

Not Voting - 5 (Seanald, Hanzo_5, ArcAngel9, Cephrir, EddieFenix)

With

24

players alive, it's

13

to lynch.

Deadline is on Monday, May 27th, @ 11:30 AM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-27 11:31:59).

Spoiler: changes from last official votecount

Spoiler: Player Vote History

Spoiler: Voting History

Slandaar · Post Post #1401 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 8:26 am

In post 1393, Cephrir wrote: I get the feeling this is a Thor tell.

What?

How many games have you played with Thor?

ISO · Post Post #1402 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 8:28 am

One, I think? Hence "I get the feeling".

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #1403 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 8:37 am

In post 1398, Hanzo_5 wrote:
@B&TB

I think its a useless tell because its null. Town or Mafia can try and lead the town. Its what leaders do. Its a leader tell. And since leadership does not define allaignment its null.

erm...it is also a relative tells for certain players

My question asked simply asks this. Do you not want a leader?

erm...I am currently working with bc and reluctantly with nero...I guess I just like to work with my town reads although nero has dropped a bit into my unsure pile but I am not sure it is all about leading and following. I guess if I had to place an hierarchic value on it I would say I am maybe following bc's lead I guess

this is a very weird line of questioning and this is like super fluffier than anything I have done in this game I mean how are going to ascertain my alignment with this line of questioning. like out of all of what I said you cherry picked a minor point and are trying to say I am scummy cos you think that that

one

point is useless and this somehow sums up the content of my entire play?

Then it asks if you do want a leader, why do you not want thor to lead you?

The second questioned is ignored if you prefer that no one leads.

I don't care who "leads" as long as I have a town read on them. I have a town read on bc that is why I am working with them. I am pushing on thor so I can get a read on him cos the majiffy head has him as town.

FOS

the shit out of this

mastin2 · Post Post #1404 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 9:19 am

Replacement flavor has been added. Read it, I worked hard on that crap.

Seanald · Post Post #1405 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 9:25 am

In post 1348, CrashTextDummie wrote:The feeling I got is that Bacde sensed weakness in Nacho and wanted to lynch him simply because it looked feasible. It's like he's running a bet on whether he can D1-lynch him and tried to strongarm it with a kind of bravado I've seen from confident scum playing with people they're very familiar with before. That he's now easing up, "settling" for a Nacho-vig instead, fits with this: Nacho came back, started effort-posting and doesn't look like such a feasible lynch anymore. I strongly question the legitimacy of his Nacho scum read to begin with.

eh didnt think of that before, that is a good point, do you think it applys specifically to Bacde? cuz I have been town reading him up to this point.

Seanald · Post Post #1406 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 9:26 am

or is that what you were saying by that whole post? or just as a general possibility?

Seanald · Post Post #1407 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 9:39 am

In post 1369, Thor665 wrote:That's rather silly - she's talking about two different games.
Why the misrep?

didn't know, thought she was talking about the same game here, thats why i commented on it.

Hanzo_5 · Post Post #1408 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 9:47 am

@B&TB

Fair enough. In my experience the mafia would rather have the town pointing fingers than having a unified trust in individuals.

Thus my line of questioning sees what you think in comparison to me.

B&TB wrote: FOS the shit out of this

Put ur damn finger away. If your to busy to question someone your suspicious of then dont say your suspicious. Its more fluff. How about u try to get a read on me instead of tunneling thor. FoS for asking questions about ur weak points. Stop making weak points.

Anyways for now ur just as null as everyone else. D1 is lame lets lynch someone.

<<< Fixed quote tag. >>>

Seanald · Post Post #1409 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 9:50 am

@Fuzzy

Do you have College finals or some shit? and why is your play here literally 180 degrees different than the last game i played with you.

thezmon221 · Post Post #1410 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 10:00 am

I AM CAUGHT UP

Well, actually, I skipped 5-10 pages somewhere around 30 and 35, but I was able to get back in the loop. Sorry if you're disappointed with that, but I'm tired as hell from both school and reading these last 57 pages.

So, without further ado, here are my reads*:

TOWN:
[ArcAngel, BeautyAndTheBeast, Slandaar, DLG, Bulbazak, Amethyst Kitty, Nero Cain, CrashTextDummie, Red Ryu, Bacde]

NULL:
[Seanald, Kublai Khan, Desperado, Syryana, Nachomomma8, Cephrir]

MAFIA:
[fuzzybutternut, Oversoul, EddieFenix, Thor665, Om The Destroyer, Baby Spice, Hanzo_5]

*The order of the players is in no way indicative of the strength of my reads.

So, I'll now elaborate on reads that people want elaboration on, but I'm not going to elaborate on everything purely because there are 24 players I have to read and it's even more work and I'm tired.

Here's some notes from the pad of Thez:
--For the longest time I had Nacho penned as scum, and almost jumped onto his wagon for mainly the whole Oversould fiasco. However, his bout with the reads and wanting to lynch Desperado turned my head and convinced me that he might not be who he says he is. It is notable that every single person on that wagon I have as town (Desperado is null).
--Bacde is so obviously town right now, so if you think he's scum you should probably quit this game. BatB is pretty town too.
--Baby Spice is strangely very lurky. Also not quite so... worried. For lack of a better word/phrase.

Oh, and I felt I should address this:

In post 1371, Hanzo_5 wrote:
@Thezmon

Your reasonless list is nothing but filler. To paraphrase you, you said "Hey im here and im doing stuff, Im not done yet so it looks like im not doing anything".

Im bringing this to light because I see it as fluff and everyone else should too.

I dont know why your fluffy. But I dont care for it. Your life no linger matters to me. Plz fix that.

It's too bad I don't care. Maybe you should try putting something non-fluff yourself instead of calling out other fluff. My post had more content than yours. Your recent posts don't do much justice for you IME either.

Alright, so now I'm going to wrap up this post with this:
VOTE: fuzzy

I don't like your overall mentality with the game at this point. You've been really dodgy this game. I don't find any value in any of your posts. Your reads are safer than OS's information was. Gut read? Really. Develop something. Try. Have AP Exams? Cool story bro, so do I. In fact, I have an exam on Thursday. You don't see me dodging the game and making useless third-party comments.

I feel fuzzy's gone unnoticed, and you should all notice him through my post. Cephrir's confrontation with him was a start. Oh, and I want a reads list from him too.

Bacde · Post Post #1411 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 10:02 am

In post 1348, CrashTextDummie wrote:Bacde's evolving stance on Nacho doesn't sit right with me. I could pass his initial push off as him being overly zealous (which I don't find alignment indicative for a player like him), even though his argument was more "Nacho isn't playing like Nacho" than "Nacho isn't playing like town-Nacho" based on the evidence given. But that he then suggested that a Nacho lynch would be good even if he was town is outrageous. A good player that is underperforming can improve, it's a function of effort. His declaration that "Nacho is useless this game, he's a detriment to the town regardless of alignment" is so wildly beyond common sense it's not even funny.

The feeling I got is that Bacde sensed weakness in Nacho and wanted to lynch him simply because it looked feasible. It's like he's running a bet on whether he can D1-lynch him and tried to strongarm it with a kind of bravado I've seen from confident scum playing with people they're very familiar with before. That he's now easing up, "settling" for a Nacho-vig instead, fits with this: Nacho came back, started effort-posting and doesn't look like such a feasible lynch anymore. I strongly question the legitimacy of his Nacho scum read to begin with.

Urge to lynch rising.

you are making up and ascribing to me arguments I never made

it makes sense to me that you have a scumread on this imaginary player who is playing far differently than the way you've represented me

Bacde · Post Post #1412 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 10:04 am

Have you ever played with nacho before? He's not a useless player

There's a reason he's playing the way he's playing this game--he's scum

Nero Cain · Post Post #1413 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 10:06 am

naw, fuzzy hasn't been ignored. I's sheep that if I didn't want Nacho blood. What's your BS case?

<<< Deleted double-post. >>>

Bacde · Post Post #1414 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 10:07 am

If you think I'm trying to lynch sensed weakness then you are, frankly, retarded because I'm gunning for

nacho

right now

also, in the post where I suggested other lynches, I was trying to see how people would respond if I suggested alternative lynches. I don't see how bringing up the topic of alternative lynches automatically means that I am less interested in lynching nacho?

Bacde · Post Post #1415 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 10:07 am

@Pirate_Mollie nero is town enough for today

ISO · Post Post #1416 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 10:10 am

VOTE: fuzzy until he provides some legitimate reads and I had better like them when he does.

thezmon221 · Post Post #1417 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 10:16 am

Nero Cain wrote:naw, fuzzy hasn't been ignored. I's sheep that if I didn't want Nacho blood. What's your BS case?

There's not much in it. She's one of those weaker cases because it is more of my speculation from meta. She seems less worried, as I said before. More direct in targeting a lynch. She is constantly behind. Being behind is not overtly a scum tell, but when you're back on page 19 when everyone else is on page 30. I checked the time dates, and there's a two day difference, so... I understand legal obligations and all, which is why I didn't press it more.

She is also a lot more speculative on things and is not very aggressive. She comments on posts and all, yeah, but I didn't see much in the form of asking questions, making too many comments that aren't calling someone's read, etc. She voted for Ryu when his wagon was rising, but it IS interesting right now that she is on Ceph on her own.

Bacde · Post Post #1418 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 10:24 am

In post 1417, thezmon221 wrote:
Nero Cain wrote:naw, fuzzy hasn't been ignored. I's sheep that if I didn't want Nacho blood. What's your BS case?
There's not much in it. She's one of those weaker cases because it is more of my speculation from meta. She seems less worried, as I said before. More direct in targeting a lynch. She is constantly behind. Being behind is not overtly a scum tell, but when you're back on page 19 when everyone else is on page 30. I checked the time dates, and there's a two day difference, so... I understand legal obligations and all, which is why I didn't press it more.

She is also a lot more speculative on things and is not very aggressive. She comments on posts and all, yeah, but I didn't see much in the form of asking questions, making too many comments that aren't calling someone's read, etc. She voted for Ryu when his wagon was rising, but it IS interesting right now that she is on Ceph on her own.

hey you look town will you answer a question for me?

have you ever played with nacho before?

if you haven't, then just vote nacho please trust me here

Bacde · Post Post #1419 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 10:25 am

I mean its kinda clear to me that even though your heart is in the right place, your vote isn't

look at how immediately after you voted you got sheeped by ceph of all people

thezmon221 · Post Post #1420 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 10:34 am

Yes, I've played with Nacho before.

I also considered Ceph to be null, so that part isn't exactly an issue. His read overall has been a tossup for me. I felt he had good motivation in his posts, but Jiffy convinced me of a light for other posts of him, which is why he's null and not one way or the other. He showed a distaste for fuzzy when fuzzy made the unnecessary, and rather opportunistic pseudo-contribution, post, which I'm all for. Whether he would have voted if I didn't or not, I won't know, but I don't feel the sheep is explicitly a scummy sheep regardless.

Besides, we still have almost a week, so we have time. The fact of the matter is, I don't think Nacho is a good enough lynch at this point in time. His beginning was crap, but I like his recent posts, even if I don't agree with them.

<<< Actually, it's over a week--almost two weeks, in fact. Deadline for D1 was set at three weeks, not two, meaning you've still got a week and a half (12 days as of this edit) left. Deadline isn't next Monday, but the Monday after that. >>>

Nero Cain · Post Post #1421 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 10:42 am

oh Christ, we'll hit 100 pages before this day is over. Stupid 3 week deadline.

Bacde · Post Post #1422 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 10:44 am

In post 1420, thezmon221 wrote:Yes, I've played with Nacho before.

I also considered Ceph to be null, so that part isn't exactly an issue. His read overall has been a tossup for me. I felt he had good motivation in his posts, but Jiffy convinced me of a light for other posts of him, which is why he's null and not one way or the other. He showed a distaste for fuzzy when fuzzy made the unnecessary, and rather opportunistic pseudo-contribution, post, which I'm all for. Whether he would have voted if I didn't or not, I won't know, but I don't feel the sheep is explicitly a scummy sheep regardless.

Besides, we still have almost a week, so we have time. The fact of the matter is, I don't think Nacho is a good enough lynch at this point in time. His beginning was crap, but I like his recent posts, even if I don't agree with them.

<<< Actually, it's over a week--almost two weeks, in fact. Deadline for D1 was set at three weeks, not two, meaning you've still got a week and a half (12 days as of this edit) left. Deadline isn't next Monday, but the Monday after that. >>>

Nacho knows that his more recent posts are better,

that's why he made them

but nothing in his recent posts screamed town

AND YOU'D BETTER BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY NACHO MAKES POSTS THAT SCREAM TOWN

the entire purpose of his "reads" posts was just to get more townreads from people not confident enough to lynch him

did you notice how nacho asked me if I saw a "keyword" or something in his posts? He was trying to act like he was confident that I wasn't reading his posts (even though I've been reading every letter). The entire way nacho is ignoring the wagon on him and ESPECIALLY ignoring me

SCREAMS

scum-nacho, and the way CTD is misrepresenting every aspect of my posts screams scum-partner

There's a reason nacho's play improved (only slightly) RIGHT AFTER I started this bandwagon on him for him having shitty posts. ITS. BECAUSE. NACHO. IS. SCUM.

PS--just wanted to add this in because I was thinking about how shitty CTD is at representing me. If I was ever "backing off" nacho, then why was I so insistent that he be vigged? And why did I never unvote him? Oh, I guess I was never backing off him in the first place

Bacde · Post Post #1423 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 10:46 am

if you literally have a townread on EVERYONE on the nacho wagon, its because nacho is scum and the scum don't want to bus their best player

I'm actually thinking that the scum AREN'T bussing since we have people like Thor, AA9, and CTD in this thread scumming it up and trying to actively prevent the nacho lynch

Nero Cain · Post Post #1424 (ISO) » Tue May 14, 2013 10:53 am

Bacde, do you bus as scum?