Micro 177: Goonies Mafia - GAME OVER

[Selkies]

hi guys

- f

[Selkies]

VOTE: Rach

Bye scum

-o

[Selkies]

Let the RVS, begin!

VOTE: FuDuzn

This might be you being new but I don't like this post.

[Selkies]

Oh there is much to read Shadi.

Like for instance, you are town.

Discuss.

VOTE: Fudu

I have no idea how you arrived at that conclusion.

-o

[Selkies]

Selkies is fferyllt and orcinus. Nice to see you again, FuDuzn.

- fferyllt

[Selkies]

No. I made the first post and the one you just replied to. The rest were orcinus. He does RVS. I don't.

- f

damn it. already.

[Selkies]

We've been signing our posts. Fery is -f, I'm -o.

What WIFOM? I don't quite understand. I'm fairly decent at coming up with asinine town reads but your logic escapes even me.

-o

[Selkies]

I have to get offline now, so I'll see you later.

Also since I have you, what do you make of this post?

I just finished a game with a guy who microblogged in the game thread. I'm desensitized. orcinus may feel differently, but I won't consider that alone to be alignment indicative.

- f

[Selkies]

I called myself town in the first post of my first scumgame (offsite)

So I'm not inclined to believe that.

Also, your 22 doesn't make a lick of sense. Sort of reminds me of Buldermar bugging Fery about why a player said "Mafia Goon" instead of "Scum" in BSG.

[Selkies]

Ff, you don't think newb scum would make a post like that?

in the game I referred to a newb made posts like that almost every time he was online. He was town. He was a PR. He actually played a damn decent newb game.

So...yeah. newb scum might make a post like that. so might newb town. On its own, it's null to me.

- f

[Selkies]

well, now I'm not sure what post you were asking me about in #29, the gotta run post or the I'm scum post? I thought you were asking me again about the leaving post.

- f

[Selkies]

Like I said to fery the other day, why didn't rach address the fact that people were considering policy lynching her?

[Selkies]

Like I said to fery the other day, why didn't rach address the fact that people were considering policy lynching her?

So that's why you voted her?

That was very early RVS. Orcinus and I didn't discuss his votes until we were ready to put down a serious one.

However, it was after the RVS vote on Rach that FuDuzn mentioned willingness to policy vote Rach, so I would be a little surprised if that was the reason why orcinus voted her.

- fferyllt

[Selkies]

Fu what did you make of the "gotta go" post?

Also I'm quite happy with my vote on Rach since she has contributed zilch despite evidently keeping up with the game.

Rach's early Day gameplay reminds me of Molla's Big Idea tbh, of course we know she was scum there.

And about the gotta go post, I just see it as a newb player narrating his every move. I was trying to see if anyone would 'opportunistically'(sp?) jump all over him for it, as scum will sometimes do. Though nothing of that sort happened, peobably from lack of activity from most people here.

Scum? Going after low hanging fruit? say it ain't so.

- f

[Selkies]

ZzZZzzzzZ

I've got about 30 minutes left.

What are your thoughts so far?

- fferyllt

[Selkies]

Have you played forum mafia before?

Are there any posts that people have made that you thought seemed a little weird or suspicious?

[Selkies]

Quick run-ups during the random voting stage is not unusual, though people usually sit up and take notice when someone puts a player at L-1. A quick few votes is actually a way to get an early reaction from the player, which might help with a read.

Rach is amazingly calm when it happens to her. The first game I played with her she was voted to L-1 and didn't even blink.

If you think the flurry of votes looked scummy, you could question the person or persons you thought looked scummiest about their votes and maybe put down a vote yourself.

- fferyllt

[Selkies]

I, on the other hand, am perfectly find with policy lynching Rach.

-o

[Selkies]

Orc we really are not gonna do this dance again are we?

Give me one reason not to.

You are impossible to read because all you do all day long is sit on the sidelines and cheerlead.

All you do all day long is sit on the sidelines and cheerlead so what exactly are we losing by lynching you.

You act anti-town by prematurely claiming in the last two games we've been in.

i'm terrible with this hydra thing

[Selkies]

nah. you smell town orcinus. Some players bollix up their town game to benefit their scum game. I haven't figured out if Rach does that intentionally, or if it's just her personality to hang back and be noncommital.


- fferyllt

[Selkies]

Oh my god 76 just reeks hilariously of newb town

Give me a meta link so I don't do the same thing I did in polygamist though.

[Selkies]

Still, asking, "What do we have to lose by lynching you?" is pretty scummy in my book.

Okay.

So why aren't you voting me

[Selkies]

I'm going to try and be as un-abrasive as possible.

Orc, let me explain.

That's just the way she rolls. If she's Mafia, she's doing a good job of it. If she's Town, she's just preventing the Mafia from getting any info on her role.

So hypothetically, not posting anything but "a" every day is by your definition good play for Mafia and town.

You have a townie (and a day/night phase) to lose in the process.

Why are you assuming rach is town?

Other games have absolutely no influence on this game.

Bullshit. It's the same player playing in both games. If I think somebody's town play was crap in game A, I'll be more inclined to lynch them the next time I play with them.

I smell scum...

Try again.

[Selkies]

Still, asking, "What do we have to lose by lynching you?" is pretty scummy in my book.

Let me just clarify this.

Because Rach is such a pain in the ass to read, we'll end up lynching her at one point or another in the game. And since I doubt she will contribute anything to the game (beside maybe free pom-poms), we might as well make it day 1.

This will change when I get a scumread.

And wait.

wait.

You have a

book

that you go by?

Tell me about this book.

[Selkies]

he cant cause he played on another site not here.

However dont be too sure he is town there I am always suspicious when someone jumps to my defense ever since my first game on site when Meta did it and it helped him and LS win the game.

yeah I was thinking orc was being his towny self can you rein him in a bit so we dont end up outing PRs so soon? The idea is to catch the scumz....

I am very fine with him linking to offsite games.

Hi Rach. Can you promise me that you will claim only
1). When you are at L-1 AND
2). When somebody offers to hammer

thank you?

[Selkies]

@Mod: requiesting prods go out for players that haven't posted in 48 hours.

yates and anorway have one post each.

- fferyllt

[Selkies]

I have not seen rach play before, and you specifically said, "Cheerleading," so I assumed that you meant the meaning of the word.

How exactly is cheerleading pro-town, and how exactly saying "good job catch scum go town!" every game for like 50 times more productive than the hypothetical I gave?

I am assuming that because she is unconfirmed either way, and therefore is more likely to be Town than Mafia.

Wow. So everyone is unconfirmed...so...we should no-lynch, right?

Yes, but until the player actually plays, you have no reason to lynch them (unless it's a running gag).

If somebody demonstrates to have poor town play in another game, it's not exactly a crazy extrapolation to assume that they'll have poor town play in this game. And since risk/reward, and the risk of losing a bad town player is a bit less than usual, I would be more inclined to lynch them if all other factors were held equal.

No, you try again.

Tell me about this

book

that you own. Do you have a

thing

that you do along with it? come on man I'm interested

[Selkies]

Can all people with offsite meta just link to them now

I think it's stupid and maybe even scummy to not consider a persons prior experience in a Mafia game. You're trying to evaluate whether or not a person is town or scum. It would be naive to judge a persons posting by a benchmark that does not apply to them. For instance, calling a new player scummy for being clueless about the game is something I frown upon because it makes no freaking sense. It's a new player. You don't expect them to come in and lead the town. Scum typically need to fabricate reasons for scumreads and this is one of the easiest.

And to disprove that we're scum together with Rach I will now tunnel her as it seems like she often escapes cheaply by whatever the guy's name with meta experience on her was called.

In reality the vote is very randomly put, but I'm quite blank at this point and most reads are null/neutral and tilt not to left nor right.

Oh god.

VOTE: Shadi

Hi Fudu you were wrong

[Selkies]

Can all people with offsite meta just link to them now

Nope. Not doing that

- fferyllt

[Selkies]

I stated arguments as to why rach would play like that for either side.

Not that, but she's more likely to be town as opposed to Mafia.

Okay, I will agree to this.

It's called philosophy, now deal with it.

"a"

So wait. You're town reading rach by dint of...there are more townies than scum in the setup? Hi okay youre not supposed to do that.

Are you doing your

thing[/] right now?

[Selkies]

Can all people with offsite meta just link to them now

Nope. Not doing that

- fferyllt

VOTE: Fer... wait

[Selkies]

Still, asking, "What do we have to lose by lynching you?" is pretty scummy in my book.

Okay.

So why aren't you voting me

Or are you townreading me because there are more town than scum in the setup

[Selkies]

Umm I get lynched a LOT so yeah that does not fly there Shadi.

When I said newbie it was not meant to be offensive, just that on this site you are a newbie based on your start date. I can only judge based on that since I have no clue how many games and what other sites people have played on. I do know there are several significant differences between this site and others like length of day/night. being anti NL early on which some other sites encourage on day 1, and so on. So not an insult by anymeans after all we all start out here at some point.

I am an IC so I play with a lot of newbies in the Newbie games.
'
Orc I miscounted in 487 and I thought I was at L-1 when I claimed not L-2.

PEDIT let me post you two

Hi Ms. IC you're not doing a fantastic job of explaining to torc why more town than scum in village doesn't make everyone town

[Selkies]

Also Shadi

Who is Marie?

Umm

[Selkies]

Oh okay

So like can you put a vote down somewhere or do something productive or tell me your reads or something

I mean you have 5 games already so you should know how this scumhunting business works right

[Selkies]

Rach

Marie

: Who is Marie?

[Selkies]

Fudu: evidently I do, why would you ask me a question like that? I mean, I sort of voted the guy. You telling me why you think scum wouldn't make a post like that would be helpful.

Do you have a scumread or something like that

[Selkies]

You telling me why you think scum wouldn't make a post like that would be helpful.

[Selkies]

Hi guys I'm scum vote me


Hey cool I'm now conftown

[Selkies]

Are you familiar with the term bussing, Shadi?

[Selkies]

Oh lord.

VOTE: Mac

Shadi I want your meta

[Selkies]

No.

Give me two town and two scum, any site is fine. Thank you!

[Selkies]

VOTE: Rach

[Selkies]

Wait, sorry. Your two most recent games for town and scum. Sorry, for got to specify

[Selkies]

Fudu, Shadi is the furthest thing from a newb.

VOTE: Shadi

[Selkies]

Unfortunate that you're now going to be lynched for it isn't it

[Selkies]

Unfortunate that you're now going to be lynched for it isn't it

I rather be lynched for it than being given pity.

Well I'm glad you don't object to it

Thanks for playing

[Selkies]

Yes, but in case people jump on RM I won't change my vote. Also would I really try to start an actual wagon on her? Granted, my leads/reasons are not strong enough for that so I can see where what I'm saying is fishy.

You

know

why I'm voting you. So above post is bullshit.

[Selkies]

Hey Shadi, this is fery.

Are you 1337?

- f

[Selkies]

because one of my very best mafia friends would post "so much h8" about now.

that stuff gets to me every time.

[Selkies]

Hello where is everyone we are wagoning shadi

[Selkies]

Cool

I'm impressed with your mad mafia skillz, Shadi.

What are your reads so far?

- fery

[Selkies]

some lurkers in this game hard to get a read on some peeps like ahem yates.....

Fair. I'm not one to lurk but I'm having trouble getting into this game. If things don't start happening and I'm not more invested by Day 2 I'll replace out for the first time ever.

Anything in the 6 pages so far that's worthy of comment or sparks observation?

- fery

[Selkies]

Well, other than that I feel it's suspicious that you wanna have a target this early when there's plenty of time to change along with Rach there's not really much to read when people do nuttin' but lurkin'.

orcinus and I are not of one mind atm, but votes are are tool of the game. How is his using our vote different from your using your vote? The day is not currently in danger of ending early.

What do you think we should be doing about lurkers?

- fery

[Selkies]

I think scum would have reacted more to this Shadi thing if Shadi's scum.

How would you expect scum to react to this Shadi thing?

- fery

[Selkies]

I think scum would have reacted more to this Shadi thing if Shadi's scum.

How would you expect scum to react to this Shadi thing?

- fery

^
you think empking's post looks like a scum reaction? Or you think my post does?

+ you guys are too busy tunneling me instead of lurkers. If I start to tunnel players now, it'd seem a bit suspicious.

Do you equate scumhunting with tunneling?

[Selkies]

I screwed up my quote in 157.

@Shadi, there are two questions for you in that post:

you think empking's post looks like a scum reaction? Or you think my post does?

Do you equate scumhunting with tunneling?

- fery

[Selkies]

I screwed up my quote in 157.

@Shadi, there are two questions for you in that post:

you think empking's post looks like a scum reaction? Or you think my post does?

Neither, you both follow valid points.
However, if I had to think of who I think is MOST scummy although both of you are overall non-scum read so far; I'd say you.

Do you equate scumhunting with tunneling?

No, however, the thing you're doing to scumhunt right now is tunneling, no?

I don't think so. My read of you is null and I'm trying to refine that via conversation. I don't think orcinus is tunneling you either. he's moved our vote around quite a bit so far, though I think he has a bit more of a scum read on you than I do.

[Selkies]

There, my games.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/572200-warflame/65868254
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/572200-warflame/65684909
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/572200-warflame/65567242
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/572200-warflame/66080729
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/572200-warflame/66152281

You haven't had much to say about other players so far. Anyone caught your suspicion?

[Selkies]

I'm terrible on the first day, check the games for examples. I need some sort of death to go off of.

sorry that doesn't work on me.

Shadi's image consciousness is really weird. Would scum articulate it so plainly?

[Selkies]

I'm terrible on the first day, check the games for examples. I need some sort of death to go off of.

Why do you need a death to work from?

Oh my god can you stop being useless it's because he's new and sucks??
You have literally nothing better to comment on.

What are your reads

[Selkies]

HEY TORCINATOR SINCE PEOPLE ARE YKNOW VOICING THEIR OPINIONS RIGHT NOW DO UOU WANT TO JOIN IN

Mac: No, I said that you have nothing to comment on. Not that I think there is nothing better to comment on.

Unfortunately you haven't gotten enough Merit Points to be able to ask me a question. Care to visit the in-game shop?

Fudu is scum because he has not been acting his protown self. Discuss.

[Selkies]

What do you think of FuDuzn Mac?

- fferyllt

[Selkies]

haha excellent crosspost

- fferyllt

[Selkies]

Selk, you seem to rush people or criticize them quite a lot. Any reasoning behind that.?

Well, half of selk.

But yes I rush and criticize people because I was abandoned as a child and unloved and now I am unleashing my pent-up angst on the world

Do you have a point to this

Hi fery I lost my computer so I can't get on gchat >.< ill go look for it today

[Selkies]

VOTE: Torcinator

I will castrate you.

[Selkies]

Selk, you seem to rush people or criticize them quite a lot. Any reasoning behind that.?

Well, half of selk.

But yes I rush and criticize people because I was abandoned as a child and unloved and now I am unleashing my pent-up angst on the world

Do you have a point to this

Hi fery I lost my computer so I can't get on gchat >.< ill go look for it today

You...lost it? Ouch. I guess we'll just have to talk to each other in the game thread.

- fery

[Selkies]

I think orcinus needs a hug.

- f

[Selkies]

Nah I probably just left it somewhere, no biggie.

What do you think about a lurker lynch fery?

[Selkies]

Mac did you miss shadis meta post

[Selkies]

Nah I probably just left it somewhere, no biggie.

What do you think about a lurker lynch fery?

Yate's post kinda made me think he could be unmotivated scum. Wondering if anyone in the game has played with him before. I need to do a meta dive.

[Selkies]

we're getting terrible about signing our posts.

- fery

[Selkies]

I assume it was Orc who said I wasn't acting pro town? Since between you and FF I have only played with him, and it was one game.......so what is my usuall 'pro town self'?

Thought I had an early town read on Shadi, but since the crux of my read was based on his newbness, I am backing away from that read.

Also Sea Otter, do you really think Torc is scum or is that an Orc rage vote?

It was orcinus. But we all three played in the Polygamy game. That's the only game you and I have played. So, I'm weighing orcinus' opinion pretty heavily.

p sure it's an irritable vote on Torc.

Have you played with Yates?

- fery

[Selkies]

Also why would Yates be lazy uninterested scum? Seems like a weird scum tell.

depends on how much a player likes scum roles, which should be confirmable/refutable in the meta once I have a chance to go through some games.

- fery

[Selkies]

lol. Not often I hear that about a mafia game I played. I must have been behaving myself.

- fery

[Selkies]

Looks like you have Rach down for 2 votes.

- fery

fixed

[Selkies]

Fudu why aren't you putting a vote down somewhere

[Selkies]

I think I'm starting to entertain the idea of you being sum more and more

[Selkies]

So you challenge the claim that you've not been as protown this game as you were in polygamist

[Selkies]

FuDuzn

- fery

[Selkies]

srsly. I get why orcinus is getting scum vibes. but I'm not sure I agree. I had a terrible read on you in our last game. I want to do better this game.

fery

grr

[Selkies]

VOTE: Selkies
I just don't want to look scummy by bandwagoning, but...
#YOLO

I think you have failed in your effort to not look scummy.

but, since not looking scummy isn't town players' top priority...meh.


- fery

[Selkies]

fferyllt?? Who is it lol (if it's an alt or somewhat pls tell me who xD) I assme Rach as she's our only female player ..

No, fferylllt is the fery half of the Selkies hydra. I accidentally posted with my main. I've quoted the post(s?) so that they'll be visible in the Selkies ISO.

- fery

[Selkies]

Likin' Shadi's reads list btw.

- fery

[Selkies]

If you'd PAY ATTENTION to my posts, you'd see that I say, "I'm generally bad D1," so don't expect much from me D1.

you could work on improving your day 1 game. starting with this game maybe.

- fery

[Selkies]

So I guess you have me completely figured out after playing one game with me where I was lynched on Day 1?

And may I remind you, no one really thought I was pro town in that game as well.
VOTE: Selkies

No actually I (orci) did.

And what on bloody fuck is this vote

[Selkies]

VOTE: Selkies
I just don't want to look scummy by bandwagoning, but...
#YOLO

Hello how are you doing today

[Selkies]

Well, this certainly happened.

As I said before, I'm generally bad D1, no need to lynch me before I show what I can do.

If you'd PAY ATTENTION to my posts, you'd see that I say, "I'm generally bad D1," so don't expect much from me D1.

For the LOVE

of GOD

I WILL HURT YOU.

[Selkies]

Yeah, probably right. Selkies has been acting very... bipolar, from what I've seen. Even though that's the point of a hydra, Orc seems to be bipolar on his own. Hm...
VOTE: Selkies

Vigbait

Vigbait

Vigbait

[Selkies]

Torcinator:
100% Town obviously.

Aafter:
Pressing me on scummy activities. Could go either way at this point, neutral for now.

Casing yourself seems scummy. "Hey, guys! I'm not scum! Really!"

Are you saying your actions are scummy?

Have you ever heard of this thing called a "joke?" I didn't think so.

your jokes aren't really coming off as jokes. They're coming off as question-dodging.

- fery

[Selkies]

Torc, you won't be quick hammered. Your worry should be about finding scum and stop worrying about how you appear.

Well he does have to worry a bit, coz keepin' himself alive is a part of town's wincon if he's town

It is?

[Selkies]

^^ fery

[Selkies]

It's a little more nuanced than that. But, I don't disagree with that post as much as I did your earlier one.

- fery

[Selkies]

You just put Empking at L-1 for OMGUS???

Why do you think it's for OMGUS?

- fery

[Selkies]

I think empking is town

The fact that Yates and Fudu are on empking's wagon is supporting my hypothesis

As far as I'm concerned

Yates/Fudu/Shadi/Torcinator <-here lie good lynches

[Selkies]

I think Fudu is scum

Lets talk about that

[Selkies]

ISO his last five posts and comment please

And then go ahead and note the amount of content before

[Selkies]

So I mean I don't find it believable that Fudu had to wait on your post to vote emp

I mean it wasn't even that good of a post

[Selkies]

It's good to see you posting, yates. I've been developing some paranoia about you.

When I made post 186 I had done zero meta research on you. I hoped to get back something experiential about you if other players have played games with you. And I'd hoped to get some sort of reaction from you. Which I did.

FuDuzn, orcinus does have you in his scum pile. Me, not so much.

- fery

[Selkies]

You'll have to give me more than one post as a reason to vote us, Yates. I've told you my reasons for making it.

- f

dammit

[Selkies]

Post 283 was my partner's. We're not seeing eye to eye reads-wise at the moment.

For me, your post 231 left a good impression - I just wanted more from you. And that reached a pretty high pitch of concern over the 24 or so hours prior to your recent posts.

I mostly like Shadi's analytical posts and his tactical approach to the game. Torcinator is coming off painfully n00b and it usually takes me a while to sort toltal n00btown from total n00bscum.

Empking's very low-content posting style bothers me. I think he's going to be difficult to get a handle on.

So, my own players of most concern at the moment are Empking, Rach,and Mac. Not trying to order them. FuDuzn belongs in there as well, because I do trust my partner's scumdar when mine is silent, and FuDuzn pinged it.

[Selkies]

Post 283 was my partner's. We're not seeing eye to eye reads-wise at the moment.

This whole hydra thing is gonna drive me crazy. I feel like you shouldn't post anything that you both don't agree on. Otherwise, I feel it may be used as an excuse to retract things you have said.

I prefer honesty about our disagreements, especially when the disagreements are relevant to the game's landscape. We approach the game differently, and I think town should know when we're compromising on an action and when we're in agreement.

- f

[Selkies]

Nice to see Yates posting.

BTW I will say that Selkies is a hydra of TWO hyperactive posters so the amount of posts they have is not enough to make a case on them.

So what do you think of the rest of the players? Or do you have a read on them yet?

100 posts over a week is pretty low volume for us, but it feels like there is so little to work with every time I can come into the game.

orcinus doesn't feel as uneasy about Mac as I do, btw. And we're not likely to vote you because it would mostly be a vote for policy reasons and I'm all but allergic to policy votes. I don't think orcinus wants to settle for a policy vote either.

I have one...maybe two middling-strong town reads in this game. orcinus doesn't share them. I don't think he has any good town reads, but maybe that's changed.

[Selkies]

^^ Seconding Shadi re your reasoning, Empking.

- fferyllt

[Selkies]

Per PM from the mod Selkies is replacing out.

- f