Mini 1454 - GAME OVER

Rob14 · Post Post #125 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 12:05 pm

Vote Count #1.5:

bubbajack8:

Aj The Epic, fuzzybutternut, JKMatthews (3)

notscience:

jon_h61, Nobody Special, JuanJuan (3)

HookerPunch:

Amrun, marcmann2 (2)

pitoli:

HookerPunch (1)

Amrun:

bubbajack8 (1)

fuzzybutternut:

notscience (1)

Not Voting:

pitoli, AngelInFreezer

With 13 alive, it takes 7 players to reach a lynch.

V/LA:

None

Deadline:

(expired on 2013-06-10 22:45:00)

marcmann2 · Post Post #126 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 12:29 pm

In post 54, fuzzybutternut wrote:
In post 49, notscience wrote:
In post 46, Amrun wrote:While bubba's wagon is probably more advanced than it should be on page 2, equating it to an RVS wagon is really unrepresentative. Notscience, how carefully have you read?
Enough to see that he has done nothing that seems extremely scummy. Not to mention, I don't take much of RVS seriously.
Yeah, my vote was completely Non-RVS.

Totes serious. Remember?

So fuzzy, we should follow your vote of bubba because you have hit scum with a random vote more than 50% of the time?

marcmann2 · Post Post #127 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 12:29 pm

Whoops forgot to take out that quote before I posted.

AngelInFreezer · Post Post #128 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 12:34 pm

Fuzzy r u seriously pushing bubba wagon with only reason of your rvs vote mostly landing on scum?

fuzzybutternut · Post Post #129 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 1:06 pm

In post 126, marcmann2 wrote:
In post 54, fuzzybutternut wrote:
In post 49, notscience wrote:
In post 46, Amrun wrote:While bubba's wagon is probably more advanced than it should be on page 2, equating it to an RVS wagon is really unrepresentative. Notscience, how carefully have you read?
Enough to see that he has done nothing that seems extremely scummy. Not to mention, I don't take much of RVS seriously.
Yeah, my vote was completely Non-RVS.

Totes serious. Remember?
So fuzzy, we should follow your vote of bubba because you have hit scum with a random vote more than 50% of the time?

Did I tell you to follow me?
No. I did not.

JKMatthews · Post Post #130 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 2:11 pm

While I'm finding it hard to place people seeing as these arguments could easily just be town v town, so far what stands out to me is:
-HookerPunch's posts seem fairly shallow, and
-fuzzybutternut is being intentionally unhelpful to anyone but himself.

I wholeheartedly believe that even if fuzzy is town pulling off some nonsense to try to out scum, intentionally muddying the waters in a game of this size just doesn't help town. Trying to make your own reads solid while making it almost impossible for the rest of your team to get a grip on anything isn't a valid trade-off in a team game.
Please don't read that as "I think fuzzy is town", but more as "fuzzy is being dodgy as hell, and if somehow it's because of shortsighted 'town' reasons I don't mind trying to clear out some chaff"

UNVOTE:
VOTE: fuzzybutternut[/unvote]

JKMatthews · Post Post #131 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 2:11 pm

EBWOP:
VOTE: fuzzybutternut

bubbajack8 · Post Post #132 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 3:26 pm

In post 89, fuzzybutternut wrote:i'm happy with a Bubba lynch.

Aren't you always?

In post 91, Amrun wrote:
In post 89, fuzzybutternut wrote:i'm happy with a Bubba lynch.
You're really happy with a lynch on page 4?

He's always this way from my experience.

In post 91, Amrun wrote:
In post 90, notscience wrote:
In post 56, Amrun wrote:
In post 49, notscience wrote:
In post 46, Amrun wrote:While bubba's wagon is probably more advanced than it should be on page 2, equating it to an RVS wagon is really unrepresentative. Notscience, how carefully have you read?
Enough to see that he has done nothing that seems extremely scummy. Not to mention, I don't take much of RVS seriously.
ANYTHING with a reason, however tenuous, is not RVS. Lrn2RVS.
Oh thank you, you have revealed to me how rude people can truly be. It feels like RVS to me, show me some solid reasoning and you can prove your point there.

I qualify RVS until people start to tunnel and ACTUALLY get answers. Js.
Well, unfortunately, RVS is a term with a discrete meaning that is not this.

This 100 times over.

In post 95, Amrun wrote:
In post 92, fuzzybutternut wrote:Yep yep.
Problems?
Yes. I like your reasoning for an early wagon. It's good to get the game going. It's not something you take to the bank.

You're not even bothering to engage your page 4 lynch target.

Even if we lynch bubba AND he flips red, a page 4 lynch is STILL a suboptimal lynch for town because it's low content.

I feel like early wagons are too easy for scum to jump onto. Because there is SO little posts to scumhunt from.

In post 98, fuzzybutternut wrote:Because I think he's scum?

As always.

In post 102, notscience wrote:
In post 99, notscience wrote:
In post 98, fuzzybutternut wrote:Because I think he's scum?
After just 4 pages?
EBWOP- It just seems weird that you mark him as scum over leaning scum or even null and we're on page 4 with barely anything of actual sustenance.

P-edit- You going to keep saying that all game or are you going to explain yourself some, because if it's the former then this will become a LONG game.

Maybe I should just quit saying he's done this before. But for real. He has.

In post 106, fuzzybutternut wrote:
In post 104, notscience wrote:
In post 103, fuzzybutternut wrote:No one would take me seriously if I explained my reason for keeping my vote on him and saying he is scum.

Pretty sure he's scum though.
I can hardly take you seriously when you don't.
Bubba was my RVS vote. More times than not, my RVS vote has been scum. Therefore, imo, bubba is scum.

Serious?

In post 116, notscience wrote:
In post 115, JuanJuan wrote:
In post 113, notscience wrote:
In post 112, JuanJuan wrote:Perhaps, but then you have vested interests in me pursuing fuzzy over this. If I back off then I'd be looking back at you, right?
wut? Can you rephrase that, I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.
Well, you inferred that fuzzy might be telling me to back off, and that it seemed scummy to you, and what I'm saying in return is that you have a vested interest in me pursuing it further as I have my vote on you.
My issue is, I don't like people telling others to "trust them" without providing a decent reason to. It wasn't that I had an interest in you pursuing it, nor do I pay attention to who votes me until it gets to L-2 or L-1 region. I find it scummy to TELL people to trust you. You want trust, earn it. Don't try and tell people to.

>Trust in Mafia.

Fuzzy's I vote scum in RVS claim.

Spoiler:

And I think that's all his completed games. Even taking away 3 which are questionable the score is still

Scum: 2 Town: 14

What am I trying to prove by this? I have no clue. I guess.

1: Fuzzy you are so full of yourself

2: You should realize I'm town

I had to leave to go do something in the middle of writing this, so instead of posting it now and rereading I'll just post further comments.

In post 120, fuzzybutternut wrote:I do, actually. I'm a surface kind of guy.

It's "No" because you're wrong. I wasn't trying to force anyone to do anything. I
do
know what i'm doing.

Yet again, Fuzzy's done this I know what I'm doing shit before. As town. In a RECENT game. So he's probably town.

In post 121, JuanJuan wrote:
In post 120, fuzzybutternut wrote:I do, actually. I'm a surface kind of guy.

It's "No" because you're wrong. I wasn't trying to force anyone to do anything. I
do
know what i'm doing.

---> hides reasons for pressure on bubba, 'I know what I'm doing'
---> 'I'm a surface kind of guy'

?

Just going to keep repeating myself. Fuzzy's done this before.

In post 122, fuzzybutternut wrote:Where the fuck did I hide my reasons?

"I think Bubba is scum." I told you, my RVS vote is usually scum. Happens all the time.

Lmfao.

Twice actually

In post 126, marcmann2 wrote:
In post 54, fuzzybutternut wrote:
In post 49, notscience wrote:
In post 46, Amrun wrote:While bubba's wagon is probably more advanced than it should be on page 2, equating it to an RVS wagon is really unrepresentative. Notscience, how carefully have you read?
Enough to see that he has done nothing that seems extremely scummy. Not to mention, I don't take much of RVS seriously.
Yeah, my vote was completely Non-RVS.

Totes serious. Remember?
So fuzzy, we should follow your vote of bubba because you have hit scum with a random vote more than 50% of the time?

Lol. Omg. I'm dying. You guys really need to check those kinds of claims out.

In post 130, JKMatthews wrote:While I'm finding it hard to place people seeing as these arguments could easily just be town v town, so far what stands out to me is:
-HookerPunch's posts seem fairly shallow, and
-fuzzybutternut is being intentionally unhelpful to anyone but himself.

I wholeheartedly believe that even if fuzzy is town pulling off some nonsense to try to out scum, intentionally muddying the waters in a game of this size just doesn't help town. Trying to make your own reads solid while making it almost impossible for the rest of your team to get a grip on anything isn't a valid trade-off in a team game.
Please don't read that as "I think fuzzy is town", but more as "fuzzy is being dodgy as hell, and if somehow it's because of shortsighted 'town' reasons I don't mind trying to clear out some chaff"

UNVOTE:
VOTE: fuzzybutternut[/unvote]

You know JK, I fosed fuzzy for these exact reasons.... And he was town. I am not lynching fuzzy today, I don't think it's a good idea. As full of himself, dumb, etc. He looks, he really isn't. He's town. Sad to say it, and defend him, but it's true. Read my "EpicMafia" game with him. He is town. xD

AngelInFreezer · Post Post #133 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 3:33 pm

Juan's town.
Bubba's town for the effort.
JKM is town.
Fuzzy is *sigh* town.

This game is gonna be easy.

-G

Aj The Epic · Post Post #134 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 3:49 pm

Fuzzy is always like this. The unfortunate part is people still consider that to be a scum tell. It's null at best. It's one of the two ends of the reaction test. You either react, or you don't and Fuzzy instigates in his reaction. I advised him in a game a while back (As masons) not to do that and he got nk'd.

I still don't correlate long wall=town, AIF. Might want to re-read actual content over effort. As scum, I'll put in effort to avoid a lynch, too.

JuanJuan · Post Post #135 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 3:54 pm

I gotta admire him for keeping going with it. I was caught somewhere between confusion and laughing.

AngelInFreezer · Post Post #136 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 3:54 pm

As effort, I'm talking about the research that he did about fuzzy's RVS.
Personally, I see that kind of stuff town.

-G

bubbajack8 · Post Post #137 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 3:58 pm

In post 134, Aj The Epic wrote:Fuzzy is always like this. The unfortunate part is people still consider that to be a scum tell. It's null at best. It's one of the two ends of the reaction test. You either react, or you don't and Fuzzy instigates in his reaction. I advised him in a game a while back (As masons) not to do that and he got nk'd.

I still don't correlate long wall=town, AIF. Might want to re-read actual content over effort. As scum, I'll put in effort to avoid a lynch, too.

Hate to say it, but this. Content > Amount.

In post 136, AngelInFreezer wrote:As effort, I'm talking about the research that he did about fuzzy's RVS.
Personally, I see that kind of stuff town.

-G

Then it falls under content in your opinion. I think AJ was saying he thought it was a lot of words, but not much said. I could be off my rocker though.

JKMatthews · Post Post #138 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 3:58 pm

I'm willing to believe fuzzybutternut might be town, but anybody who's self-aware of their meta can then fake it. And so I'm happy to leave my vote on the person who's shrouded himself in a cloak of annoying bullshit.

AIF - maybe put a vote down if the game's so easy?

Amrun · Post Post #139 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:05 pm

i think

i think i accidentally walked into a newbie game

notscience · Post Post #140 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:07 pm

I dont care how much you all say its his meta. I find that distraction scummy. I dont need distractions when Im trying to scumhunt, and hes a distraction. Tell me, what has he done thus far? Say to sheep him because he always gets scum in his RVS votes(to be proven wrong). Otherwise he has done nothing except be incredibly vague about most everything.

Amrun · Post Post #141 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:08 pm

Are you pushing a policy lynch? Reals?

AngelInFreezer · Post Post #142 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:11 pm

@JKM: I did. I recently unvoted though.
I want more content from marc/jon/HP first.

-G

JKMatthews · Post Post #143 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:14 pm

Urgh, it's 7 votes to lynch. Not having a vote down seems like wasted information.

notscience · Post Post #144 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:14 pm

In post 141, Amrun wrote:Are you pushing a policy lynch? Reals?

.-. policy lynch?

If thats eliminate a nuisance so they can stop fogging up my reads then yes. I find said nuisances antitown, so unless someone trips my scumdar I stay here.

AngelInFreezer · Post Post #145 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:26 pm

In normal circumstances it could be debatable but when we have fuzzy-experts who knows how to read fuzzy, I don't see a reason for PL.

This discussion ends here.

-G

AngelInFreezer · Post Post #146 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:30 pm

Also speaking of reads let's hear your reads, notscience.

-G

notscience · Post Post #147 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:33 pm

I never said it was because i couldnt read him. I said it was because his playstyle comes off as scummy to me, and it hinders my scumhunting by distraction. I like where my vote is atm.

Frankly, idc if people are experts on him. He distracts me, and that is an issue to me.

Reads will have to come tomorrow, its hard to type it out on my phone.

fuzzybutternut · Post Post #148 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 5:02 pm

In post 140, notscience wrote:I dont care how much you all say its his meta. I find that distraction scummy. I dont need distractions when Im trying to scumhunt, and hes a distraction. Tell me, what has he done thus far? Say to sheep him because he always gets scum in his RVS votes(to be proven wrong). Otherwise he has done nothing except be incredibly vague about most everything.

I never said "always." I said "more times than not." Learntoread.

I would advise you not to worry about me if you're town and to continue on about your business. kthxbai.

fuzzybutternut · Post Post #149 (ISO) » Wed May 22, 2013 5:02 pm

Also, stop calling me town, people. Makes me look bad.