I was going to save this for part 3, but I guess I might as well do it now. Right here,In post 774, enomis wrote:Fine i will humor you. Give me some examples where you self-voted for being wrong. Recent games please.
(Darthe Flipped scum, soooo...) The followthrough was here. A night-lynch, but still technically a lynch. Now if you extend the time limit back a bit, I'll show you a previous instance of that exact same promise, but an identical inability to fulfill it: start reading from here. I entered into a 1V1 with Ludi. Here is where it got serious. And Here is how I reacted. I was town then, as I am town now. There are probably plenty of others, but these two are the ones which popped most immediately into my mind; I have a history of self-voting or wishing to self-vote after screwups.mastin2 wrote:If Darthe flipped scum? Yes. Go ahead. Lynch my ass.In post 2626, ferretlover wrote:Iff Darthe flips scum then mastin will be the next lynch, amirite?
The problem with this logic is that it once again is entering into lylo with a bias. EVEN IF I WAS ALIVE WITH TRITON, I wouldn't instantly vote him. I would have that suspicion, yes, but I would evaluate. Just as I did. And as you can see, I had plenty suggesting that I needed to re-evaluate. The triton kill could have been performed by Linxie, but it made more sense coming from you. I needed to evaluate, and was in the process of doing so, when you immediately jumped onto me without hesitation. I am not fond of entering lylo at all, but when I do, there are rules I enforce on myself. Among them is to above all else keep that golden rule in mind, and ask myself, "Why did the night go the way it did?" I came into today realizing that youYou had me as confirmed town because of myself. You had linxie as confirmed town because Ucrit is scum. So when Ucrit died, your confirmed town status on linxie should be gone. So your statement should be something like:"Oh shit, linxie may be scum. But i will need to reevaluate and iso enomis too" something like that. And not "Oh shit, both of them are my confirmed town reads, gg, i would self-vote if there weren't lylo." --< this reaction is simply fake and does not follow your flow of logic because linxie is not your confirmed town read if Ucrit died.
I will be addressing this in Part Two of my case against you.Nope, after you supposedly saw the bread crumb and switched over, whats the situation? Do you see any signs of player moving over? None. How do you suppose Jason would be hammered. YOU DID NOTHING. It is only after the 3rd and 4th again and again plea by mattel that Ucrit quick hammered Jason. And you did not do anything to push the wagon IF other people did not see the claim.
Like hell they're not scumhunting. On Day One, I was laid back in my scumhunting, but it was there. I put off explaining things thanks to time constraints, but I pointed out the things which made me get the reads I had. I failed to explain why those things gave me my reads, yes. But again, that was out of time constraints, time constraints which were consistent across the site if you cared to check my activity at the time. On Day Two, I continued my scumhunting, and explained my stances in all instances except for one: the switch onto Jason. And Day Three was the strongest scumhunting I've ever done in my career. I'll probably give some links to some recently-completed town games of mine to show it beyond what you've already seen, but the simple fact is, I've never made a better case in the entirety of my mafiascum career than in this game on day three.You go iso yourself and read. Or you could ask linxie. Read through your day1,2 and 3. Were you scumhunting? No. All i see are unconvincing cases/weak.
I was in a stronger position. Argue all you'd like that I got more votes than Triton did, but my argument was stronger than his. His was backed by random pieces of nonsense. Mine was backed by logic that I had shown on Day Two, and continued to show throughout Day Three. Like all cases, mine was imperfect. I misremembered details of the game. (For the record, this is something I don't do as scum. As town, I rely on my quite-clearly imperfect memory. I might look things up after the fact, but I generally tend not to look at the facts in advance. As scum, I need my cases to be airtight, so I make sure that there are no factual errors that'll cause me to be accused of misrepping my opponent.) And triton ended up being town.You are giving false information. He was not in a weaker position and he is winning you on day 3. Remind me who has 2 votes on him and almost got hammered? You could also ask linxie and he could tell you that your argument are as WEAK as hell. His hammer vote on lucky could be scummy yes, but after looking at his whole day play, you could probably attribute it to his playstyle?
But my argument was stronger than his. I was in no danger of being lynched. "But you were! You were on the verge of being lynched!" The votes and the intent to hammer might have seemed that way, but that was because I was letting my offense go down. I was kinda burned out, 'cause I felt I had the perfect case. When you make the perfect case against someone, what can you do after that? Not much. That's how I felt at the time, hence the focus on the defense, but if I felt that I was in danger again, I'd be motivated to bounce back, counter triton's case, and show how he had NOTHING against me and I had everything against him. As for triton's hammering--both are from this game. If both are from this game, it's alignment-dependent. If he had a habit of hammering as town (one which I don't remember him having), THEN you could argue playstyle. And now that we know his alignment, YES we can argue playstyle. Off of what I had, you cannot.
Anyway, as you can tell--I'm going to go into a lot more details in parts two and three of my case. Things to look forward to:
* A proper explanation of my stance on triton.
* A proper counter to triton's case (which I never felt was worth countering).
* A detailed journey, describing the events showing why enomis-as-scum would do as he has, and detailing why Mastin-as-scum wouldn't have done what has been done.
* Some meta on me, in lylo as town and lylo as scum. (Short version--this is not the first time I've been in lylo as the town IC. Last time it happened, the scum ALSO immediately voted me and ALSO used points nearly identical to what enomis used. Sadly, the entirety of the game was lost in The Rollback, so you'll have to take my word for the description. Also, as scum, the last time I was in lylo, I rushed in and almost immediately voted for the person I had marked for a mislynch. The tl;dr version is that as town in lylo, I am cautious beyond all other times; as scum in lylo, I hop in immediately and go for the win as soon as possible.)