Mafia 59: Hell on Earth - Game over!

[Jack]

It hasn't started yet guys.

[Jack]

Vote:BattleMage

Because I see people do this all the time, but I haven't yet figured out why they post the dice roll in one post and the vote in the next post.

[Jack]

You can just type the tag manually.

Vote:Akbar

So I can unvote and vote whoever votes me for bandwagoning for overreacting later on. And yes that sentence does make sense.

[Jack]

That sounds weird

Unvote,Vote:Fircoal

[Jack]

That sounds weird

Unvote,Vote:Fircoal

Unvote,Vote:Jack

It does?

Yeah. There are too many sentences, it sounds a bit stilted and kind of like he was worried what people might think of it.

Why did you vote me?

[Jack]

That sounds weird

Unvote,Vote:Fircoal

Unvote,Vote:Jack

It does?

Yeah. There are too many sentences, it sounds a bit stilted and kind of like he was worried what people might think of it.

Why did you vote me?

Unvote, Vote: Jack

1) Duh he's worried what people might think about HIS COMPLETE LACK OF ACTIVITY, I'm glad he said something about it
2) Since when is number of sentences a scumtell?

Sounds scummy --> vote

If it didn't sound scummy to you don't vote him.

[Jack]

By kill you mean lynch right? Why don't you tell us who

you

think is scum?

[Jack]

Why do I have to talk about newbie 298 in every game I'm in? What the hell? Dude,

claims move games

. That why i did that, then i got lynched before i could respond

That rhymes and is a lot catchier than "discussion and analysis move games" but I think I'll take the latter.

So far all that's happened this game is some random votes and a mini-wagon on me which I'm putting down to newbiness.

[Jack]

Unvote, Vote:Akbar

bandwagoning and not caring if panzer is town or not.

[Jack]

*chuckle* Looks like I've been considered scum.

eh?

[Jack]

*chuckle* Looks like I've been considered scum.

eh?

YOU LURKER, YOUR TRYING TO TRICK US ALL! SCUM! SCUM! SCUM!

What? I don't think theJive has been lurking.

[Jack]

It really doesn't feel like there are 20 people playing.

[Jack]

What for?

[Jack]

lol nice one twito.

I'd vote panzer but I read one of his past games. How many of the people voting him have?

[Jack]

Good post.

I'm not liking cheesefan. He seems to have lurked and then popped in to put the lynch -2 vote on panzer.

Vote:Cheesefan

I don't buy the panzer wagon. It seems far too oppurtunistic.

[Jack]

I'm not liking fircoals play either. All he's done is push the pj wagon and shout random things. And accuse others of not contributing :p

[Jack]

This game is rather frustrating.

[Jack]

I don't think much has happened in 10 days. But mainly I have trouble distinguishing between newbie and scum.

[Jack]

You guys should really be wagoning cheesefan not panzer.

[Jack]

Before I switch my vote, what are your reasons to vote for him/her?

His play today was basically "lurk lurk lurk jump on pj wagon for no reason", which is typical newbie scum.

[Jack]

I think you're misreading twito panzer. That's how he plays.

[Jack]

Well that actually sounds reasonable.

unvote

hmm

[Jack]

i gotta say that this post looks pretty suspicious.
First Jack says that everyone on Panzers wagon should pile Cheesefan instead.
Immediately, TheJiveMachine and then M4yhem take their respective votes off Al4xz, and pile on Cheesefan instead.
It certainly seemed to me like Mafiosi instructing each other. I doubt all 3 are scum, but i am very suspicious of the way M4yhem always seems to vote the same as TheJiveMachine. Perhaps they are a scum pair, or perhaps M4yhem is scum latching onto a townie. All i know is, M4yhem looks as guilty as hell, so i will

Unvote, Vote M4yhem

Also,

IGMEOY Jack

not only did u instruct your potential scumbuddies how to vote, you also changed from being adamantly for a Cheesefan lynch, to Unvoting. Looks to me alot like scum trying to build a wagon, then subtly leaving, so when it is revealed that the victim is innocent, he doesnt get immediately blamed.

FOS: Jack

Bah, okay. I think Al4xz is a crazy newbie. He might be scum as well but for now I am happy to join the Cheesefan wagon.

Cheesefan, please answer theopor's question. I'm interested in the answer too.

unvote, Vote:Cheesefan

I never said we should lynch Cheesefan. I wanted to wagon cheesefan. He answered my argument against him in a reasonable manner.

[Jack]

@Akbar: At this stage of the game, I'm just feeling for information. It's rare that you can confidently say someone is scum day 1. I could focus on one person, say cheesefan, but come day 2 I'd be in the dark again. I like to prod lot's of people so I have something to reread as the game progresses.

[Jack]

looks more like a town tell to me.
I stand by my vote for Panzer. can we have a

Vote Count?

Gah. Let's just kill him. The dudes getting annoying...Alright, alright, I sound like scum, god damnit, I could be scum for all you know. I still think Panzer's just scum either way.

Are you saying that the al4xz quote looks like a town tell? What about it looks like a town tell?

[Jack]

It looks to me like al4xz and battle mage are scumbuddies. They are both driving forces behind the panzer wagon and we have quotes like this:

Imho, it strikes me that Al4xz is a special townie role.

Vote:al4xz

He fits the newbie scum profile pretty well, with the "let's just lynch somebody" stuff. And battle mage keeps wildly proclaiming his innocence.

[Jack]

So if he turns up innocent I

must be guilty

and therefore must be lynched?

i HONESTLY think he is protown. Lynch him if you want, but i certainly wont be helping. When he comes as an important role, we all suffer, and you will be next for the lynch.

It looks to me like al4xz and battle mage are scumbuddies. They are both driving forces behind the panzer wagon and we have quotes like this:

Imho, it strikes me that Al4xz is a special townie role.

Vote:al4xz

He fits the newbie scum profile pretty well, with the "let's just lynch somebody" stuff. And battle mage keeps wildly proclaiming his innocence.

[Jack]

He was talking earlier about not claiming at all, because it shows power roles. But in this case I don't see his point, lack of claim can be assumed to mean "not power role".

[Jack]

damn, you got me. I'm MC Hammah, unkillable town roleblocker, I can come to your house and impresse you with my moves. You become so stunned that you immediately forget what you are doing and go do a line of Cocaine.

So you are claiming:

The worf piece may detain someone, who will be unable to act that night, and no one will be able to act on this person.

Joke?

[Jack]

damn, you got me. I'm MC Hammah, unkillable town roleblocker, I can come to your house and impresse you with my moves. You become so stunned that you immediately forget what you are doing and go do a line of Cocaine.

So you are claiming:

The worf piece may detain someone, who will be unable to act that night, and no one will be able to act on this person.

Joke?

If you are town don't joke like that or the real piece might counterclaim.

I've seen you do the same.

[Jack]

Vote Panzer

My vote began on Panzer. If it wasn’t for al4xz’s screwing around, I would have kept it on him. For what it’s worth, at lynch time,

Twito was voting Panzer as well.

'tis true, but there was no night period before hand so it's not like he could have had a guilty.

[Jack]

Vote:Panzer

because he was the next most suspicious after Al4xz anyway, because he jumped rather quickly to the conclusion he was framed and because oh my god, he sucks.

This is really bad. "next most suspicious after al4xz" but Al4xz turned up

town

remember? Maybe we should review how we try and find scum?

Vote:M4yhem

[Jack]

[
...I don't like the "twito was voting for Panzer" logic some people are referencing, as that's a complete WIFOM issue. That being said, I like a Panzer wagon better then the m4yhem wagon; I don't really see the reasoning behind that one at all at the moment, and while I don't think I have a solid read on m4hyem, so far his posting style looks like what I've seen before when he was town.

What m4hyem wagon? theoper and I posted at the same time. He has bad logic and I don't like the panzer wagon much. Seems a bit oppurtunistic.

[Jack]

The framing thing is a newbie scum tell I'll grant you. His wagon is taking off quite fast over just that though.

unvote

[Jack]

I wasn't going to press fircoal on that statement...he bussed panzer too hard on day one to be scum I think.

[Jack]

Jack- He 'bussed' Panzer? But Panzer is neither dead nor confirmed scum and even if he was, he could vote for scum and be it the other scumgroup. Please explain how your statement can make any sense at all?

Ok maybe I don't know what "bussed" means. I thought it meant went after and voted.

I was disagreeing with the suggestion that panzer and fircoal were scum together.

[Jack]

Panzer, if Twito had insider information on who was town and not why would he be voting you? I see what you say you were saying but it doesn't really follow. Scum know who town is it's true but that's no explanation for his singling you out.

[Jack]

Panzer, post something. You coming up townie won't convince us that livingod is scum.

[Jack]

It was al4xz that claimed vanilla townie.

I don't like panzers lack of defense but townies can give up as well as scum I suppose. Bleh.

[Jack]

ok with me. Let's hear what Bogre has to say.

Vote:Bogre

[Jack]

I don't think living god is innocent or anything, but don't you think it's a little hypocritical of you to go after him Akbar?

[Jack]

Let's not put bogre at more than 5 for now.

[Jack]

Yeah, the "not sure" part doesn't make sense. That one piece would prove panzers innocence, the other cop wouldn't prove anything with an innocent result and the blocker would be more an indication of guilt. I don't think he was claiming a role.

[Jack]

I just don't see what happened between yesterday and today to make you

sure

livingod was scum. I can see the case against livingod, but if you were "so sure he's scum you'd eat your hat" yesterday why were you on the panzer wagon? You see how it looks like scum seeing a case against livingod but waiting for tomorrow since it looked like panzer was going to get lynched. It looks opportunistic.

[Jack]

So basically, bogre posted once defending himself, and livingod showed up to say:

P.S. The mod is right, the majority of the players are scum. And I think Bogre = Newbie Scum. One more vote should apply the pressure necesarry. vote bogre

And then claimed "real life".

No wonder this game is dead in the water.

unvote,Vote:livingod

Is this necessary pressure on you? Your vote on bogre seems more opportunistic than legitimate.

[Jack]

That seems about right. If he was really sure about him it makes sense.

Vote:Bogre

[Jack]

He gave reasons for his suspicions of panzer day one. I don't know why he didn't vote bogre but I think his post is a pretty strong indicator of a guilty result.

[Jack]

Why would he say he strongly suspected someone while talking about how he could only drop hints?

[Jack]

Because he didn't want to claim and strongly suspected someone without having investigated them? It makes no sense to me that a cop that knows someone is guilty wouldn't vote them.
I'm not saying the Bogre doesn't look guilty as all heck, but I don't think Fircoal had a guilty result on him.

It certainly a possibility though. Bogre was looking like he might be lynched so I don't think fircoal would have felt the need to claim. The way the livingod wagon sprang up is rather suspicious in retrospect (I was on it, and livingod was really suspicious...but the way it started up at that moment is interesting).

Besides, Battle Mage hammered livingod directly after several posts of "for god's sake everyone hold off so we can talk" and without even coming close to waiting for a claim.

Yeah well there's lots of scum.

[Jack]

Fircoal is dead...

[Jack]

I think Fircoal is scum, assumes Bogre is part of the other group, and wants to be looked at as a cop if Bogre comes up scum, without having to claim, in case Bogre is town.

Vote: Fircoal.

Woah.

We caught another . . Fircoal is dead.

Well, fircoal is dead, but how does this mean we caught another?

[Jack]

Not really happy about the bogre bandwagon at the moment. I certanly understand the logic behind it, but it's moving way to fast, and with so many scum around that might means that both scum groups are pushing it.

I think the fact that he hasn't been hammered yet means one scum group is pushing battle mage.

[Jack]

I must say I'm surprised at the Alien kill choices last few rounds. Thought they'd kill theoper for sure.

[Jack]

Is it true that the reason the Aliens tried to kill Fircoal a second time is that they believed he was Borg? That's the obvious explanation, but it came up so I'll ask.

Yes. We were quite sure he was actually