Mafia 59: Hell on Earth - Game over!

[M4yhem]

Sorry for my lack of activity; I thought this game was going to appear in coney island.

Vote: Yosarian2

He could very well be scum.

[Yosarian2]

Why do I have to talk about newbie 298 in every game I'm in? What the hell? Dude, claims move games. That why i did that, then i got lynched before i could respond

Unneeded claims are almost bad for the town. And that's especally true this game; the only people who could claim in any useful way are the 4 pro-town roles, and there's no docs in the game except for 1 "jailkeeper" type doc (the person Riply targets is both protected and blocked), so if a pro-town power role claims, he will either be killed at night, or will be roleblocked in an attempt to protect him. Either way is bad for the town, although it's still somewhat better to claim rather then be lynched if you're a power role of course.

And like I've mentioend in other game, vanillia townies should NEVER claim, that's also bad for the town, as it helps scum find the power roles, while it dosn't help the town figure out who's scum or not as it's totally unconfirmable.

[Twito]

Sorry for my lack of activity; I thought this game was going to appear in coney island.

Vote: Yosarian2

He could very well be scum.

Very well.

[Kelly Chen]

Prodded Bogre and Frustian.

[milkman]

Sorry for my lack of activity; I thought this game was going to appear in coney island.

Vote: Yosarian2

He could very well be scum.

What do you mean?

Unneeded claims are almost bad for the town. And that's especally true this game; the only people who could claim in any useful way are the 4 pro-town roles, and there's no docs in the game except for 1 "jailkeeper" type doc (the person Riply targets is both protected and blocked), so if a pro-town power role claims, he will either be killed at night, or will be roleblocked in an attempt to protect him. Either way is bad for the town, although it's still somewhat better to claim rather then be lynched if you're a power role of course.

And like I've mentioend in other game, vanillia townies should NEVER claim, that's also bad for the town, as it helps scum find the power roles, while it dosn't help the town figure out who's scum or not as it's totally unconfirmable.

What do you think about the newt role?

[Yosarian2]

What do you think about the newt role?

What do you mean, what do I think about it? You mean, how would I suggest that it be used?

Well, the newt has basically two good options for how to use the role. The safe way to use it would be to either have the newt not use it at all, in which case it's just a safe claim (which is still a significant benifit to the town, as it's an open role mafia and him claiming at a key time could stop him from being mislynched and give us a confirmed innocent; note the newt still shouldn't claim before it is absolutly necessary). The other way (and the one I probably would do, if I was or if I am the newt) would be for the newt try to very carefully pick people he thinks are pro-town, to stay with them, and if the newt picks right and gets lucky he might be able to claim at a key time and share the names of two or thee other people he has confirmed as pro-town, which could either prevent a mislynch or put the town in a good endgame situation, depending on when and how it happens. Either way would be a logical way to play the role.

(Note that the above post was specifically worded in such a way as to neither say I am not the newt nor say I am the newt. If anyone else wants to comment on the subject, or has any other role-related stratagy comments, I strongly suggest you carefully edit your post so that it reads the same way, in order to avoid giving the scum any hints about who might or might not be what roles.)

[Twito]

I often mistake Yos2 for town just coz he makes good and long strategy based posts.

[PJ.]

Okay, 1000 points to Yos and I am throughly convinced that the man isn't scum.

On the newt, If I was or am the newt I believe that I would play it by breadcrumbing who I investigate, and if I die then a clever town such as Yos can say "Hey, Guys I think Panzer was Newt and such and such is scum." I do believe that Yos has a good strategy in the second one and would probably switch to it if i was or am the newt.

[Bogre]

WOWOA

[M4yhem]

Bogre- What does that mean?

Milkman- Which part?
I thought the game would be in Coney Island because it looks like a theme game to me.
Yos could be scum (just like the rest of you) because I haven't seen his role and the roles are randomly distributed.
Okay?

I agree with Panzerjager on the newt thing.

[Twito]

Okay, 1000 points to Yos and I am throughly convinced that the man isn't scum.

Being convinced that he isn't scum by posts he has made about strategy which scum could make as easily as town is a scumtell.

[Twito]

Lucky. I'm already voting Panzer-scum.

[PJ.]

True. -1000 points for Yos. The man may be scum.

[Fircoal]

vote: Panzerjager

Changing so you don't look scummy.
Either your scum or wannabe scum.

[Akbar]

vote: Panzerjager

Changing so you don't look scummy.
Either your scum or wannabe scum.

Whats a wannabe scum? That like a Vigilante that only whacks townies?

Anyhow Panzer is generally chaotic. I don't know if thats the crazy townie act, or the crazy scum act. But, I'm tired of wondering. That, and I didn't care much for being left out of your original FOS, without anything to go on.

Unvote: Vote Panzer

[al4xz]

OK, I've decided to

Unvote: Yosarian2

and

Vote Panzerjager

[Yosarian2]

I often mistake Yos2 for town just coz he makes good and long strategy based posts.

(shrug) Sure, I always do discuss stratagy; as town I often discuss stratagy it in order to help the pro-town make good moves, and as scum I try to do it as well so as to not break from my playstyle, so yeah, me discussing stratagy is probably a null tell.

[Jack]

Unvote, Vote:Akbar

bandwagoning and not caring if panzer is town or not.

[Nightfall]

vote: Panzerjager

Changing so you don't look scummy.
Either your scum or wannabe scum.

LMAO


Panzer > Odd question I know, when do you "Claim to move the game along"?

OK, we need to kill someone to figure out whether or not their scum. I know, I sound like scum. Who do you guys wanna kill?

Unovte, Vote:Al4xz

Scum Kill
Town Lynch
You Hang.

[PJ.]

Unvote, Vote: Al4xz

for giving no reasoing at all. At least explain your vote on me. BTW I'm still FoSing everyone on the original least + Cheesefan and no longer FoSing Frustian.

[Nightfall]

Panzer > Odd question I know, when do you "Claim to move the game along"?

[PJ.]

when i am about to be lynched.

[Fircoal]

when i am about to be lynched.

Then why do you want everyone else to claim. And how will you get them to claim? get them all close to being lynched?

[PJ.]

Apply pressure. Use illusion to force mistakes in the the target and those watching.

[Fircoal]

Apply pressure. Use illusion to force mistakes in the the target and those watching.

That's a good stratigie, to get info, but the claiming part isn't such a good idea.