Mafia 59: Hell on Earth - Game over!

[Nightfall]

Post by post analysis.

[Twito]

My brains are not functioning that well atm and I really should go to sleep. I for example don't have the slightest memory of this game which someone might think would lead into me not posting but as I don't want to read since my last post I'm gonna post anyways and read tomorrow since this post.

[M4yhem]

I'm really not feeling the PanzerJager wagon. I can understand the case but it seems like such a small thing that I'm going to reserve judgement for now.
Also, I think Al4 is acting way more suspicious.

Looking forward to the prods. It's hard to form an opinion of the game with so many lurkers.

[milkman]

Okay, 1000 points to Yos and I am throughly convinced that the man isn't scum.

On the newt, If I was or am the newt I believe that I would play it by breadcrumbing who I investigate, and if I die then a clever town such as Yos can say "Hey, Guys I think Panzer was Newt and such and such is scum."

I do believe that Yos has a good strategy in the second one and would probably switch to it if i was or am the newt.

Wow. Hey Newt, please don't do this. At least, one of the eight mafia in the game is sure to notice the clue, and might force a mislynch the next day.

Not really sure if Panzer is scum, so I'll just

FOS :Panzerjager

for the idea.

[Yosarian2]

I'm not really seeing the wagon against Panzer at this point. He's being attacked because he thought that my stratagising made me look more pro-town? Why is that a scum tell? Townies often tend to think my stratigic comments make me look more pro-town, and it's not an irrational thought; in theory, anyone trying to help the town in any way is at least slightly more likely to be pro-town then not. And it seems odd that Twito is attacking Panzer for it; after all, Twito was in Reverse Mafia with me, where nearly every good guy in the game thought I was the most pro-town looking person in the game for basically that exact same reason (except M4yhem, who apparently always distrusts me ). Twito right that my posts don't prove I'm town, but it's hardly a scumtell for Panzer to think otherwise, and Twito should know that.

fos:twito

[Twito]

Actually I already had my vote on Panzer. As almost random tho. Now it's slightly better than random. It's still not something I would lynch based on. However the wagons always give more stuff to analyze.
And yes I was with you on Reverse mafia and already in there I was kinda doubting you. It's a null tell for you and someone taking you as certain protown based on it can prove dangerous.
I don't see what these other people are doing in this wagon tho and I'm prolly going there next. Maybe they are just following me tho.

[Kelly Chen]

Prodding ~N9V~, Battle Mage, and Cheesefan.

Frustian hasn't picked up his first prod, so his position is vacant and I'll open it to replacement. This vacancy will be reflected in the upcoming vote count and in the OP.

[~N9V~]

/Mod, could we have a vote count?

[Kelly Chen]

Vote count

6 - Panzerjager (Battle Mage, Twito, Fircoal, Akbar, al4xz, Smashy)
3 - al4xz (Yosarian2, Nightfall, M4yhem)
2 - Akbar (Cheesefan, Jack)
2 - Twito (livingod, Milkman)

not voting: spectrumvoid, ~N9V~, Bogre, TheJiveMachine, Panzerjager
vacant: Frustian

With 19 alive and 18 present, it takes 10 votes to cast someone into the steel!
Deadline March 7

[Cheesefan]

Im here.

Ill have a reread later and think about who im gonna vote

For now

unvote

[Battle Mage]

wow my first ever prod.
Im still here, but i havent got anything to contribute atm.

Prodding ~N9V~, Battle Mage, and Cheesefan.

Frustian hasn't picked up his first prod, so his position is vacant and I'll open it to replacement. This vacancy will be reflected in the upcoming vote count and in the OP.

[Fircoal]

Bm, Cheesefan and N9V, way to post with no relavnce in it.

[Yosarian2]

And yes I was with you on Reverse mafia and already in there I was kinda doubting you. It's a null tell for you and someone taking you as certain protown based on it can prove dangerous.

Well, me posting stratagy may be a null tell, but my point was that, based on reverse mafia, people trusting me for me posting stratagy is also a null tell, as it was pretty common. Although I get this frustrating boomerang effect sometimes, where first everyone thinks I sound pro-town and trusts me, and then several people suddenly think I'm scum just because everyone is trusting me, which drives me crazy.

I do realize that your vote was already on Panzer, but it just seems wierd to me that you said trusting me for posting stratagy is a scum tell when you should know from prior experence that it's apparently a null tell, something town do as often as scum.

[Akbar]

@ Yos
Seems like there's alot of null tells that wind up town or scum based on whatever the poster makes it out to be.

[PJ.]

So my entire wagon is because I trusted Yos? What can I say? I really liked that post because it was nice. Well, if the lynch is going to fall on me, I'm going to vote scum. This is for being the only one to react to not being FoSed. You were so defensive it was quite funny. I'm impressed that the FoS trick caught scum and possible tww if Al4xz is scum.

Vote:Akbar

[Akbar]

So my entire wagon is because I trusted Yos? What can I say? I really liked that post because it was nice. Well, if the lynch is going to fall on me, I'm going to vote scum. This is for being the only one to react to not being FoSed. You were so defensive it was quite funny. I'm impressed that the FoS trick caught scum and possible tww if Al4xz is scum.

Vote:Akbar

Oh I definately agree you planned your "trick" from the beginning. It's not for the reasons your using now though.

My vote stays.

[Twito]

I don't like Panzers post. Giving me scummy wibes.

[Fircoal]

I don't like Panzers post. Giving me scummy wibes.

Don't they all?

[Bogre]

You don't know if you're voting scum.

Vote: Panzerjager

Sounds defensive and blustery.

[M4yhem]

Yos- I'm innately mistrustful of anyone who appears to be smarter than me.
Besides, one of these days I'll be right about you but noone will believe me as usual. Then, after the game when you've killed us all they'll be like:
" Wow M4yhem, how did you know?"
And I'll be like: " I'm Just

that

awesome."
Wait and see. It'll happen.

Bm, Cheesefan, N9v- I agree with fircoal about you. More content pronto.
For example, what do you think of the Panzer wagon?
What about Al4xvcxfgrfd? He's scum, isn't he?

I know we need a wagon to get the game moving but why Panzer over Al4xz?
Al4's reaction to votes is way scummier, surely? C'mon, vote Al4xz, all the cool people are doing it. And so is Yos.

Panzer- you say Akbar was 'so defensive it was almost funny'. Isn't that exactly what it was meant to be, funny? Akbar, was your reaction to not being fosed serious or not?

[Battle Mage]

As i am part (in fact, the founder!) of the Panzer wagon, you would be well placed to assume that i think he is scum.
Ill have a look at Al4x and see if he is more scummy.

Bm, Cheesefan, N9v- I agree with fircoal about you. More content pronto.
For example, what do you think of the Panzer wagon?
What about Al4xvcxfgrfd? He's scum, isn't he?

I know we need a wagon to get the game moving but why Panzer over Al4xz?
Al4's reaction to votes is way scummier, surely? C'mon, vote Al4xz, all the cool people are doing it. And so is Yos.

Panzer- you say Akbar was 'so defensive it was almost funny'. Isn't that exactly what it was meant to be, funny? Akbar, was your reaction to not being fosed serious or not?

[Battle Mage]

well to choose a post at random, this seems like a good example of your so-called 'scumtell'.
Imho, it strikes me that Al4xz is a special townie role.
From my experience, the only time i get overconfident is when im in a special role. It means u dont have to worry about keeping up appearances (scum) and yet its not as if you have a crap role that no-one cares about.
I'm thinking noob, but pro-town noob.
Might i ask why M4yhem is defending Panzer so much?
BM

*chuckle* Looks like I've been considered scum.

[Cheesefan]

Just had a quick reread and am now willing to comit myself to a vote

Vote: Panzerjager

Seems most scummy and i think his newt strategy could have been terrible on purpose.

[Kelly Chen]

theopor_COD replaces Frustian.

Thanks!

Vote count

8 - Panzerjager (Battle Mage, Twito, Fircoal, Akbar, al4xz, Smashy, Bogre, Cheesefan)
3 - al4xz (Yosarian2, Nightfall, M4yhem)
2 - Twito (livingod, Milkman)
2 - Akbar (Jack, Panzerjager)

not voting: spectrumvoid, ~N9V~, TheJiveMachine, theopor_COD

vacant: Frustian

With 19 alive and 19 present, it takes 10 votes to cast someone into the steel!
Deadline March 7

[theopor_COD]

Hello everyone. I'll have a read over the weekend and post my thoughts then.