Balto the Invitational - Game Over

[Gammagooey]

i literally don't have time for all this horseshit for another 2 hours dan

i still think beet is town

this is not a suggestion of a quickwagon so please don't do it yet but how do you feel about CDB

[Beethoven]

Matt is right that Fate needs to be lynched independent of alignment.

If he actually is town, lynch Nuwen. But the way hes so sure Dan is town is scary as fuck.

[Fate]

nice link nuwen

[Amrun]

Dan has role information to suggest Beet is town.

he also supposedly has role info to confirm nuwen's claim

how can he do both

Makes no fucking sense, idk.

makes no sense but unwilling to vote beethoven scum?

Fostering the confusing


Amrun for scumpres 2013

No, it doesn't make sense for Dan, not for Beethoven...


It didn't occur to me that scum might think to claim something 1-shot, though -- I had no idea that that had anything to do with Dan's thing with Nuwen. In this case, it might make sense, yeah, but can you point me to where you got this impression? Because Triforce claimed a 1-shot thing and Dan counterclaimed then. Am I missing something important? I'm at work so half-attention

[Fate]

Youre scared of how confident I am in my town reads that are accurate eh beethoven? I can understand that.

[Beethoven]

lol

[Triforce]

To be fair, Amrun, we didn't really claim. It was also implied "limited" as opposed to one-shot so Dan wouldn't have had a reason to believe it.

Also to be fair, we considered claiming a one-shot ability but it had nothing to do with thinking Dan would defend us because of it.

[Beethoven]

Has Dan actually said that one-shot abilities are what he thinks are likely town or are people just speculating that?

[Nuwen]

isn't the correct way to crumb because

HITOSHRUG

But seriously, why would anyone ever crumb that way.

[ActionDan]

how do you feel about CDB

More town than CES, and he didn't vote me. Kind of like a null I guess. Someone like Iece that I really shouldn't be handing out passes to.

@cut: I have said 1-shot abilities make sense. They make sense for both town + scum, but more-so for town to possess.

[Beethoven]

Because I have recent cop meta on my other hydra where we were so obvious we got blocked 2/3 nights and killed after that because it was obvious.

So fuck me for tryingto learn from my mistakes.

[BBmolla]

Beethoven wagon when I wake up

[Nuwen]

isn't the correct way to crumb because

HITOSHRUG

But seriously, why would anyone ever crumb that way.

This is SUPER RELEVANT because Beethoven's wagon is the most unexpected thing to happen today. Based on the game's reads, did anyone think Beethoven would be a potential lynch candidate 3-4 days ago? No?

Then neither did he, therefore he didn't have time to prepare a claim with advance breadcrumbs.

As town, why would Beethoven lay suboptimal breadcrumbs if he didn't expect to be lynched, really?

[ActionDan]

btw Beet, when you were aware that I had thought Nuwen had crumbed a cop inno on Fate, did you not find that a discrepancy that you wanted to explore? Because it seems like you didn't which would be unusual.

[Beethoven]

Because I have recent cop meta on my other hydra where we were so obvious we got blocked 2/3 nights and killed after that because it was obvious.

So fuck me for tryingto learn from my mistakes.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28174

MY CRUMBING OF AN INNOCENT ON AJTHEEPIC GOT ME PERMANENTLY ROLEBLOCKED AND NIGHTKILLED IN THIS GAME.

IM TRYING NOT TO MAKE OBVIOUS CRUMBS THAT GET ME NKD

[Gammagooey]

nuwen he already answered that and not everyone is going to think for 20 minutes and evaluate different ways to breadcrumb shit and etc etc

[ActionDan]

ok dood. You're 1-shot. You want all the roleblocks. and the kills too

[Beethoven]

GO AHEAD AND READ THE GAME NUWEN. I'LL SIT AND WAIT.

[Amrun]

To be fair, Amrun, we didn't really claim. It was also implied "limited" as opposed to one-shot so Dan wouldn't have had a reason to believe it.

Also to be fair, we considered claiming a one-shot ability but it had nothing to do with thinking Dan would defend us because of it.

Okay so you didn't get that impression either, is what I'm gathering?

I want to make sure I'm not just huffing glue or something.

[Beethoven]

NO IM NOT. LOOK AT IT THIS WAY. I AM MASONS WITH GAMMA.

WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I CLAIM MASONS WITH GAMMA AND HAVE US EAT BACK2BACK NKs.

DONT BE STUPID.

[Beethoven]

AND IF I GET NKd

THE WIFOM BEHIND WHETHER OR NOT I ACTUALLY BLOCKED THE MAFIA KILL OR TARGETED MAFIA ON THAT NIGHT IS GOING TO BE RETARDED AND USELESS.

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 2, VC 43

ActionDan (1):

BBmolla

Triforce (4)

: Gammagooey,Iecerint, Cogito Ergo Sum, Zdenek

Beethoven (7)

: Fate, Nuwen, TheTrollie, Triforce, ChannelDelibird, xRECKONERx, Kublai Khan

Kublai Khan (3)

: ActionDan, Amrun, Beethoven

Not voting (1):

MattP

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2013-07-26 22:50:36)

[Nuwen]

Day 2, VC 26

ActionDan (2):

Amrun, Beethoven

TheTrollie (2):

Cogito Ergo Sum, Kublai Khan

Nuwen (3):

Fate, Triforce, xRECKONERx

Fate (2)

: Iecerint, ChannelDelibird

Iecerint (1)

: TheTrollie

Triforce (2)

: Gammagooey, Zdenek

xRECKONERx (1)

: Nuwen

Amrun (1)

: ActionDan

Not voting (2):

MattP, BBmolla

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2013-07-26 22:50:36)

^ Read "actually viable scum wagons" as "ActionDan".

Townreads: KK, CES, CDB, Reckoner, Molla (where you at? : ( )
Weaker Townreads: Fate, Amrun, Matt, Iec, Gamma?

Potentially willing to lynch anyone not listed above ^.

This is the gamestate when Beethoven's crumbs occurred. No one is voting for Beethoven. In his very next post, he supposedly creates his read list with a result crumb in a sub-optimal place - why would a town mind feel the need to crumb his result in an obscure way at that point in the game?

Faaaaakeclaim detected.

Because I have recent cop meta on my other hydra where we were so obvious we got blocked 2/3 nights and killed after that because it was obvious.

So fuck me for tryingto learn from my mistakes.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28174

MY CRUMBING OF AN INNOCENT ON AJTHEEPIC GOT ME PERMANENTLY ROLEBLOCKED AND NIGHTKILLED IN THIS GAME.

IM TRYING NOT TO MAKE OBVIOUS CRUMBS THAT GET ME NKD

This doesn't explain why you'd

OBSCURE

your result by listing OTHER PEOPLE as MORE TOWN than Gamma. I don't believe you'd make a split of townreads/weak townreads if you were afraid of being a power, because that ALSO implies results (just not necessarily who your innocent is on to scum OR town, which is bad and doesn't actually make sense).

[Nuwen]

Like, you don't even have to be AFRAID OF ROLEBLOCKS AS A ONE-SHOT. That is an ILLOGICAL, INVENTED FEAR from a slot proven to be pretty sound of mind.

[Beethoven]

why would a town mind feel the need to crumb his result in an obscure way at that point in the game?

BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF A WAY TO DO IT THAT WASNT OBVIOUS AND IT FINALLY OCURRED TO ME ON THE SPOT.

I DONT KNOW