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Post Post #550 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:05 am

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In post 536, Amrun wrote:TABBY, WHERE ARE YOUR META CONCLUSIONS ON ME?
Roughly half my Amrun-meta conclusion-drawing skills are locked up in another hydra, tbh. :/

I was townreading you early on. I think I called you town as far back as page 3. I'm troubled by the interactions between you and the Tammy half of the pyrotechnics hydra. Can't decide if that's been t v t.

I'd really like for Syr to make an appearance.
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Post Post #551 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:21 am

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In post 543, Amrun wrote:Why do you keep posting vote counts? Serious question.

Also, stop naming numbers of scum on wagons. It's 100% arbitrary. All or none of the scum could be on the wagon. Was someone on the wagon scummy? If so, why?
It's close to deadline and it's information that is both handy and informative to make good decisions. If you don't like it, just pretend it's for my easy reference.

I disagree whole-heartily about it being arbitrary. VCA is a thing and it is a good thing as it deals with probabilities and logic. Saying its 100% arbitrary is just ridiculous. Look at the 2 larger wagons today. One on me to the point of claiming and one being slowly pushed till deadline. Both are on town for their 'scummy actions'. Obviously these 'scummy actions' didn't mean Elyse was scum and as I'm not scum, neither were any of the 'scummy actions' leading to lynching scum with my wagon. That does remind me though....
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Post Post #552 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:37 am

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Those who had voted for my mis-lynch - d3x,
Rank
, Amrun,
Jake from State Farm
,
Elyse
,
Porochaz
,
PeaceBringer


Those who had voted for Elyse's mis-lynch -
Jake from State Farm
, The Slovak Prince,
PeaceBringer
, trebuchet tabby,
Porochaz
, (
Rank
)

4 players bolded (voted both town wagons), 1 of them is 99% likely town. That leaves Jake, Poro, and PB. Lynch PB imo.
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Post Post #553 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:07 am

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I like VCA. Proper VCA isn't about probability at all.
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Post Post #554 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:09 am

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So your thoughts on p552 are....?
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Post Post #555 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:13 am

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I think Porochaz is town. Out of that lynch pool, I would also pick PB.

That's not probability, though, it's behavior -- they were on both wagons. But you can't leave it at that. WHY were they on each wagon? In what way did they join those wagons? In what way did they leave, if they did?

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Post Post #556 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:13 am

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Tabby would be my only other acceptable lynch besides amrun.
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Post Post #557 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:51 am

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Ebwop - I mustache you a question.

Stupid restriction
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Post Post #558 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:32 am

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VOTE: Peacebringer

I'm still sure of this vote
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Post Post #559 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:16 pm

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In post 450, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 446, d3x wrote:Teke-a it a smell peeece-a et a teeme-a. Iech is a deefffferent secshun.

Sumeteemes I'm oonly eble-a tu pust oonce-a a dey oor ifery oozeer dey. Bork bork bork! Iff I hefe-a a lut tu respund tu, I'm nut gueeng tu breek it up und clootter zee threed. Bork bork bork! I preffer pusteeng in a seengle-a bluck es ooppused tu 5 oor 6 cunsecooteefe-a pusts. Um gesh dee bork, bork!
well then you will be largely ignored imo
Lulz I was thinking the opposite of pyros great many posts in a row that were largely useless anyway.
Good case.
Terrible response.

And it was a case that you could have answered properly as well.

vote peace

In post 470, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 467, Elyse wrote:I think chk replacing out is a town tell if anything. As scum, why would he care about an annoying post restriction if it hurts town anyway?

But I don't like the idea of "lynching kthx before LyLo" when we should be trying to avoid LyLo. I'd rather lynch a scummy player right now than a player who's probably town just to avoid something we might not even come to.

Also, PB, do you honestly expect anyone to read through that massive quote wall? What is it supposed to do?
Not really...more a passive aggressive tweak... someone will try and sort through it though...
well then you will be largely ignored imo
In post 552, Kthxbye wrote:Those who had voted for my mis-lynch - d3x,
Rank
, Amrun,
Jake from State Farm
,
Elyse
,
Porochaz
,
PeaceBringer


Those who had voted for Elyse's mis-lynch -
Jake from State Farm
, The Slovak Prince,
PeaceBringer
, trebuchet tabby,
Porochaz
, (
Rank
)

4 players bolded (voted both town wagons), 1 of them is 99% likely town. That leaves Jake, Poro, and PB. Lynch PB imo.
Im not particularly happy with this VCA,

Kthxbye (5) - d3x, Rank, Amrun, chkflip, Jake from State Farm

That was your largest wagon at least according to vote counts. I was on your wagon later.

When Elyse was killed

Elyse (3) - Jake from State Farm, The Slovak Prince, PeaceBringer, T.T. (rank killed her). I was on Elyse or chk a lot earlier.

In the first instance, I was on your lynch after the main push had passed, so I guess there is justification for putting me on there. I was never on an Elyse mis-lynch though. I had voted for chk, but nowhere does that constitute anything other than a vote and I certainly wasn't on Elyse and I wouldnt have been either but thats by the by now.

I am still completely not happy with you. I am just slightly more unhappy with Peace at the moment.

Its a sad kill, I love bus-drivers...
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Post Post #560 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:20 pm

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I didn't list them in order of vote spot. Do you think the order in which votes happened are important? If so, why are they important. What do you think they say about you, PB, and Jake?
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Post Post #561 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:00 pm

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VOTE: thenewearth

Will vote amrun, but still feel better here.

So not having a stronger read on tne is a little troubling.

I've requested that syry post so the chicken brigade feels better about reading us. Though cabd - is there a particular reason you can't dance with me? I'm a better dancer, promise. And how can you not have a better read on us? You just, literally just, saw me as scum. You also just read me in a town game. I thought you considered yourself a good meta reader. If you're town you need to hand in your stripes.

Also ffery you've seen me as town too. I don't know what's keeping you from getting some kind of read you feel good about. I have near 40 games at this site so I'm not short on meta. I get it if you'd just feel better if syry posts, but that just reads kinda odd to me.
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Post Post #562 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:01 pm

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*sp not having a stronger read. Autocorrect
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Post Post #563 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:33 pm

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I'll obvtown it up for you fuckers tomorrow. I'm going the fuck to sleep.
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Post Post #564 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:33 pm

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In post 552, Kthxbye wrote:Those who had voted for my mis-lynch - d3x,
Rank
, Amrun,
Jake from State Farm
,
Elyse
,
Porochaz
,
PeaceBringer


Those who had voted for Elyse's mis-lynch -
Jake from State Farm
, The Slovak Prince,
PeaceBringer
, trebuchet tabby,
Porochaz
, (
Rank
)

4 players bolded (voted both town wagons), 1 of them is 99% likely town. That leaves Jake, Poro, and PB. Lynch PB imo.
flawed anaylsis... really beginning to think you are scummy...
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Post Post #565 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:36 pm

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In post 559, Porochaz wrote:
In post 450, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 446, d3x wrote:Teke-a it a smell peeece-a et a teeme-a. Iech is a deefffferent secshun.

Sumeteemes I'm oonly eble-a tu pust oonce-a a dey oor ifery oozeer dey. Bork bork bork! Iff I hefe-a a lut tu respund tu, I'm nut gueeng tu breek it up und clootter zee threed. Bork bork bork! I preffer pusteeng in a seengle-a bluck es ooppused tu 5 oor 6 cunsecooteefe-a pusts. Um gesh dee bork, bork!
well then you will be largely ignored imo
Lulz I was thinking the opposite of pyros great many posts in a row that were largely useless anyway.
Good case.
Terrible response.

And it was a case that you could have answered properly as well.

vote peace

In post 470, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 467, Elyse wrote:I think chk replacing out is a town tell if anything. As scum, why would he care about an annoying post restriction if it hurts town anyway?

But I don't like the idea of "lynching kthx before LyLo" when we should be trying to avoid LyLo. I'd rather lynch a scummy player right now than a player who's probably town just to avoid something we might not even come to.

Also, PB, do you honestly expect anyone to read through that massive quote wall? What is it supposed to do?
Not really...more a passive aggressive tweak... someone will try and sort through it though...
well then you will be largely ignored imo
In post 552, Kthxbye wrote:Those who had voted for my mis-lynch - d3x,
Rank
, Amrun,
Jake from State Farm
,
Elyse
,
Porochaz
,
PeaceBringer


Those who had voted for Elyse's mis-lynch -
Jake from State Farm
, The Slovak Prince,
PeaceBringer
, trebuchet tabby,
Porochaz
, (
Rank
)

4 players bolded (voted both town wagons), 1 of them is 99% likely town. That leaves Jake, Poro, and PB. Lynch PB imo.
Im not particularly happy with this VCA,

Kthxbye (5) - d3x, Rank, Amrun, chkflip, Jake from State Farm

That was your largest wagon at least according to vote counts. I was on your wagon later.

When Elyse was killed

Elyse (3) - Jake from State Farm, The Slovak Prince, PeaceBringer, T.T. (rank killed her). I was on Elyse or chk a lot earlier.

In the first instance, I was on your lynch after the main push had passed, so I guess there is justification for putting me on there. I was never on an Elyse mis-lynch though. I had voted for chk, but nowhere does that constitute anything other than a vote and I certainly wasn't on Elyse and I wouldnt have been either but thats by the by now.

I am still completely not happy with you. I am just slightly more unhappy with Peace at the moment.

Its a sad kill, I love bus-drivers...
not unexpected as you and me are oil and water...
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Post Post #566 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:49 pm

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also gotta love Prozac criticizing my response to a digit pointed my way as "not proper" when what I stated is facts and I don't get into the quote mining, tit for tat stuff that goes on here. I play how I play, if I get run up with it, fine, I am not concerned about that. TNE only engagement in this game BTW has been to OMGUS digit pointing as I continue to point in his direction.
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Post Post #567 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:02 pm

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Tell me this, Prozac, TNE, and Kthx... so you think my reaction to Kyuby is a scummy one. That I would assume is reaching out for a "neighbor" crumb was obvious and not sit back and watch it play out. See, the things being pointed at are not behaviors that are ones necessarily engaged in by scum. Sure, do scum do it, maybe but if you factor in the over all response and play you can choose to spin it as scummy, or you can examine further.

Kthx, if you are in fact telling the truth and not purposefully pulling out a distorted segment and claiming vote analysis on it. It is picking a narrow segment without even the full context of those votes. Now I am fairly certain that one of the 3 voting me right now is scum. I consider Prozac as reacting to me for being the ying to his yang. Kth has already claimed and TNE is one I have consider scummy for some time. Now I am surprised that Jake jumped off Elyse to Amrun and before could really sort it out the day vig killed elyse.
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Post Post #568 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:26 pm

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In post 561, Pyrotechnics wrote:Also ffery you've seen me as town too. I don't know what's keeping you from getting some kind of read you feel good about. I have near 40 games at this site so I'm not short on meta. I get it if you'd just feel better if syry posts, but that just reads kinda odd to me.
I've played one game with you. It happens to be one of the worst games I've ever played, and I took away very little useful experiential meta from that disaster. And Syr is a player I *think* I read well. I haven't been wrong about him yet. The things that worry me are mostly two of your reads: Amrun and kyubey. If you guys are town, then I'll weigh your Amrun read pretty heavily. We'll probably stick to sorting cabd/lynx on our own
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Post Post #569 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:31 pm

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Votecount 1.12thenewearth (2) - PeaceBringer, Pyrotechnics
PeaceBringer (2) - thenewearth, Porochaz
Amrun (1) - Jake from State Farm
Kthxbye (0) -
The Slovak Prince (0) -
d3x (0) -
Kyubey (0) -
Jake from State Farm (0) -
Rank (0) -
Porochaz (0) -
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Not Voting (7): Kyubey, Rank, d3x, Amrun, The Slovak Prince, trebuchet tabby,
Kthxbye


With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-08-31 19:03:38).

kthxbye is no longer able to vote for this day phase.
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Post Post #570 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:38 pm

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Why would you weigh pyro's read of me heavily, tabby?
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Post Post #571 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:15 pm

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In post 570, Amrun wrote:Why would you weigh pyro's read of me heavily, tabby?
This is ffery. I trust Syr to read you pretty accurately if he's town.

There are two players I also hydra with in this game, and I know my strengths/weaknesses in reads relative to theirs pretty well. If I read them as town, where I think their reads are likely to be more accurate, I'll weigh that. But step one is having a town read on them.
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Post Post #572 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:54 pm

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Fur better oor vurse-a, Runk is Toon. Bork bork bork!

It vuooldn't soorpreese-a me-a iff Kthx ves VheeteKnighting Ilyse-a in p516 fur zee inefeeteble-a Lynch. Effter pressoore-a deeed doon oon heem, it sveefftly booeelt oon her. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Poosheeng zee zeeury ebuoot 1 Scoom beeeng oon zee Vegun is Kthx's MO, boot thees isn't ifee a fooll FCA. Thet buzeers me-a.

Sumeune-a ixpleeen zee Emroon cese-a fur me-a. Is it joost meta?

@Kthx- Vhy ere-a yuoo poosheeng her, ixectly? I greetly deeslike-a p537 vheech veffffles oon her elmust es mooch es yuoo deed oon me-a ierleeer. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!

@Kthx p552- Vhet heppened tu yuoor vhule-a "oone-a ooff zee pust restreected pleyers is Scoom" schteek? Vuooldn't Jeke-a be-a zee oobfeeuoos chueece-a fur yuoo tu poosh besed oon but ooff yuoor zeeureees?

I deeslike-a PB's hundvefeeng et zee ceses booeelding/booeelt egeeenst heem, boot I dun't knoo iff it's scoommy oor joost unnuyeeng.

I need tu theenk sume-a theengs oofer. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! I'll Fute-a beffure-a deedleene-a.
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Post Post #573 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:08 pm

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Yeah so I'm doing this for my hydra partner anyways, might as well post them here too.

In post 572, d3x wrote:For better or worse, Rank is town.

It would not surprise me if Kthnx was white knighting elyse in p516 for the inevitable lynch. After pressure (ceded?) on him, it swiftly built on her. Pushing the theory about 1 Scum being on the wagon is (BS?) but there isn't a full VCA. That bugs me.

Someone explain the amrun case for me. Is it just meta?

@Kthx- Why are you pushing her, indirectly? I greatly dislike p537 which waffles on her almost as much as you did on me earlier.

@Kthx p552- What happened to your (theory?) "one of the post restricted players is scum" shit? Wouldn't Jake be the obvious choice for you to push based upon your theories?

I dislike PB's (hundvefeeng.... underhanding?) of the cases building/built against him, but I don't know if it's scummy or just annoying.

I need to think some things over. I'll be back before deadline.
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Post Post #574 (ISO) » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:09 pm

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In post 561, Pyrotechnics wrote:Though cabd - is there a particular reason you can't dance with me? I'm a better dancer, promise. And how can you not have a better read on us? You just, literally just, saw me as scum. You also just read me in a town game. I thought you considered yourself a good meta reader. If you're town you need to hand in your stripes.
You fooled the ever living fuck out of me. I mean you were my number one town read up until the guilty on you.(Now I know how ffery must have felt after AMOL) Syr has yet to. Also, I have a hydra with syr so I an be inside his head more easily.
You also just read me in a town game.
Which game are you referencing here?

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