Mafia 59: Hell on Earth - Game over!

[Jack]

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...I don't like the "twito was voting for Panzer" logic some people are referencing, as that's a complete WIFOM issue. That being said, I like a Panzer wagon better then the m4yhem wagon; I don't really see the reasoning behind that one at all at the moment, and while I don't think I have a solid read on m4hyem, so far his posting style looks like what I've seen before when he was town.

What m4hyem wagon? theoper and I posted at the same time. He has bad logic and I don't like the panzer wagon much. Seems a bit oppurtunistic.

[Battle Mage]

The First Rule of Mafia

Never miss an opportunity to lynch Panzerjagger.

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...I don't like the "twito was voting for Panzer" logic some people are referencing, as that's a complete WIFOM issue. That being said, I like a Panzer wagon better then the m4yhem wagon; I don't really see the reasoning behind that one at all at the moment, and while I don't think I have a solid read on m4hyem, so far his posting style looks like what I've seen before when he was town.

What m4hyem wagon? theoper and I posted at the same time. He has bad logic and I don't like the panzer wagon much. Seems a bit oppurtunistic.

[Smashy]

The First Rule of Mafia

Never miss an opportunity to lynch Panzerjagger.

So you hammer Al4xz. Sure

[Smashy]

And by hammer I mean lynch+1. You still get the gist of it >.>

[~N9V~]

Twito is dead. This is rather incriminating. I need to reread to see who do try to set me up like this. *waits for the dog pile*

I would like you all to look at this post. Tell me what looks scummy. If you can't find it, I'll highlight it for you.

Twito is dead. This is rather incriminating.

I need to reread to see who do try to set me up like this.

*waits for the dog pile*

Why would he come out first post after the night, and say: "I'm being set up."

[PJ.]

Because I have seen scum try to frame others and I'm very familiar with the process of framing. I'm suspicious of you for so elegantly pushing my wagon.

I don't like M4yhe playingm, he starts defending me then says I'm annoying. He wants me to be lynched and then the main person I argued for dies. He then jumps on my wagon day 2 and says I'm oh so scummy and that I should die. Well, isn't that a bit sketchy

Vote:M4yhem

[Fircoal]

I'm not sure on whether Panzer is scum or not. Though I think m4hyem is a bit scummy. Neither are lynch worthy.

[Battle Mage]

lol ive never hammered anyone. the first time i try, i fail.
How sad is that?

And by hammer I mean lynch+1. You still get the gist of it >.>

[Yosarian2]

Because I have seen scum try to frame others and I'm very familiar with the process of framing. I'm suspicious of you for so elegantly pushing my wagon.

I don't like M4yhe playingm, he starts defending me then says I'm annoying. He wants me to be lynched and then the main person I argued for dies. He then jumps on my wagon day 2 and says I'm oh so scummy and that I should die. Well, isn't that a bit sketchy

Vote:M4yhem

That "he starts defending me then says I'm annoying" thing seems to be a misrepresentation of m4yhem.

Early in the game, he defended you, yes, and then he changed his mind. There's nothing scummy about changing your mind. However, he didn't change his mind because "he found you annoying", he did it because:

If you guys seriously think I am scum then lynch me, that is all.

You're not doing yourself any favours. I'm starting to feel your wagon. Twito and Akbar both seem to me to have some good points; if this is all you have to give in response, there will be a vote coming your way shortly.

Cheesefan- you didn't explain how the newt strategy was flawed. If you can't (or won't) explain this, I'll be forced to conclude that you made the whole thing up.

Twito agrees with me about Al4xz! High five! It's not the mere fact that he makes jokes; I like jokes. But Al4 hasdone nothing but make jokes and ask other people
who to vote for. What's he hiding?

Yos- I only have reverse to compare you with and I remember you being a lot more chatty there.

Panzer, I've had enough of your insanity.

unvote, Vote:Panzer

Claim or die.

That was where he apparently changed his mind about you. During this period of time, you were ignoring arguments leveled against you, you self voted, you ignored his earlier warning, and basically your actions were indeed "insane" in that you did things that a sane townie should never do. That's why he voted for you. Misrepresenting someone the way you just misrepresented M4yhem is a scum tell.

vote:panzer

[M4yhem]

What's sketchy about it, Panzer? I started off defending you because I thought the bandwagon on you was building a bit fast and I couldn't see the reason for it. But your behavior just got scummier and scummier. You voted for yourself, not once but twice, and you pushed blindly for Twito's death for no reason I could see other than that he was voting for you.

Today you jumped immediatly to the conclusion that you were being framed, even though there are lots of other reasons Twito might have died, for example his overreaction to your joke about being a roleblocker, which might've given somebody the impression he had a powerrole himself.
I think you made up the story you were being framed after killing Twito yourself.

Oh, and Fircoal, that's the most wishy-washy, fence-sitting post I've ever seen, not to mention a possible protection of Panzer. you get a

Fos:Fircoal

for that.

[Jack]

The framing thing is a newbie scum tell I'll grant you. His wagon is taking off quite fast over just that though.

unvote

[Nightfall]

His wagon is taking off quite fast over just that though.

It's not just that reason. That is just the most recent one. Would have done this earlier had I been here...

vote: Panzer

[PJ.]

Well, I believe I have backed myself into a corner.

[Fircoal]

Oh, and Fircoal, that's the most wishy-washy, fence-sitting post I've ever seen, not to mention a possible protection of Panzer. you get a

Fos:Fircoal

for that.

I see that. I kind of am protecting Panzer, for reasons I shouldn't tell. I'm not certain about him, though.

[Battle Mage]

i believe they refer to that as soft-claiming. Sadly i rarely find it believable.

Oh, and Fircoal, that's the most wishy-washy, fence-sitting post I've ever seen, not to mention a possible protection of Panzer. you get a

Fos:Fircoal

for that.

I see that. I kind of am protecting Panzer, for reasons I shouldn't tell. I'm not certain about him, though.

[PJ.]

Because you are a bad player that only believes something when it is pointed out signs. And I believe it as a soft claim..which is kinda bad.

[Battle Mage]

quoting this post because it made no sense, not only through bad grammar, but through such hypocrisy that makes it meaningless. Nice use of a hidden insult though. If nothing else, i commend you on getting your priorities right in this game. [/sarcasm].

Because you are a bad player that only believes something when it is pointed out signs. And I believe it as a soft claim..which is kinda bad.

[Yosarian2]

I see that. I kind of am protecting Panzer, for reasons I shouldn't tell. I'm not certain about him, though.

Ok. I don't think you're going to convince anyone without more details, though.

[M4yhem]

Panzer- Don't call other people bad players. It would be patronizing and offensive coming from a good player...coming from you, who voted for himself twice, it's also ridiculous.
How about some response to my response to your reasons for voting for me?

Fircoal- Now that you've said that, you're going to need to explain more fully.

[livingod]

Sorry for the absence. Back.

Methinks: Panzer + Fircoal = Scum

Mod:

Did this game have a cop head start?

[Jack]

I wasn't going to press fircoal on that statement...he bussed panzer too hard on day one to be scum I think.

[PJ.]

I feel the same. Makes me think things.

[M4yhem]

Jack- He 'bussed' Panzer? But Panzer is neither dead nor confirmed scum and even if he was, he could vote for scum and be it the other scumgroup. Please explain how your statement can make any sense at all?

Panzer- What do you feel the same about? What things does it make you think? Could you

be

any more vague?

[Akbar]

This is from post 253, Panzer’s rant on Twito.

He asks if I'm betting my life and then says if i turn up scum he won't be lynched.

In short I believe he has insider information on who is and isn't town

and has a one track mind.

This statement is a self implication of Panzer being scum. Panzer is attempting to cover the issue by condemning Twito for knowing too much. Although, I don’t think Twito had time for any investigations, Panzer may not have considered that before posting.

[PJ.]

Well, I didn't consider that he was a cop. I said, that "insider information", meant he was scum easily leading you guys to a mislynch, because I would have been hung if Al4xz didn't do the equivalant of bus him self. Anyway, I love the misrepresentation.