In post 652, Varsoon wrote:Grim's antagonistic, puts too much weight on certain pieces of evidence, is trying to become a dominant town-voice, and has already played the card of being opposed to but still capable of supporting policy lynches and low-info lynches.
All of that rings as scum for me.
In post 228, Varsoon wrote:Don't you cut me off when I ask a direct question,In post 226, AngryPidgeon wrote:Ok, so Varsoon isn't reading the thread.In post 225, Varsoon wrote:How do you feel about AP,
And don't you discredit me like that again.
VOTE: AngryPidgeon
In post 449, Varsoon wrote:Not sold on Beli being scum.
I'm with Splintered on AP = scum.
I'm also all for a Grim lynch, but no one's supporting that.
Guess I'll have to get in here and do some work soon.
In fact, before this just recent bout- the only thing you said about your top scumread is that I discredited your question to Mollie. And you never followed up on that Q when they did respond, so I was correct in predicting that you weren't going anywhere with it.In post 752, AngryPidgeon wrote:All I've heard from you is that I misrepped you and I attempted to discredit you. Do you focus on anyone other than yourself?
So lets talk about this. I want to know why you think Grim is scummy, particularly over the fake-hammer.In post 606, Varsoon wrote:Everyone that's okay with a Varsoon lynch better explain why they are.
Because you guys are pretty damn scummy for all just saying "Yeah Varsoon would be a mighty fine lynch" without articulating why, or putting votes there.
Hes spent no time justifying his vote on anything, certainly not me.In post 751, Varsoon wrote:Besides, I've spent the last hour justifying my read and vote on you, AP.
Don't try to put the pressure elsewhere, or direct this someplace else.
Yeah, it was Grim that accused me of OMGUS.In post 731, The Grim Reaper wrote:Varsoon I take it the 4 people in post 718 are your top scum reads... why was AP not there? Nice OMGUS BTW
676 ruins a chance at further reaction from JKLM.I want to know why you think Grim is scummy, particularly over the fake-hammer.
I find it curious that someone who claims to scumhunt using behavioral baseline deviation analysis wouldn't understand the principles behind the active lurking and IIoA tells.In post 624, Belisarius wrote:What I said. When was the last time you've seen scum caught based on "IIoA" or "Active lurking"In post 614, Lying Cat wrote:what
Oh that's right, never.
When was the last time you saw a player harassed using those buzzwords only to have them flip town?
Oh that's right, every other game.
Fuck IIoA and active-lurking-based pushes.
WTF? If the majority of ppl aren't scum and u are including AP in there, then you are putting your bets on one of the list you just mentioned as not scum?In post 730, Varsoon wrote:PoE.In post 728, Buckwild wrote:Varsoon, you are confusing me with this post and a couple posts earlier where u say the JKLM hammer does not get us anywhere? If he is in your scum pule, why are you waiting?In post 718, Varsoon wrote:Pretty much.
If there's not scum between Grim, FlyBeau, Beli, and JKLM, then the scum's already won.
Basically, if the major people behind the JKLM and Beli pushes aren't scum (AP, FlyBeau, Grim), then logic leads me to believe one of JKLM or Beli is scum.
Still, I'm putting my bets on AP for now.
Woo. First ever hydra slip. Feels like a Madonna song.In post 760, sthar8 wrote:I find it curious that someone who claims to scumhunt using behavioral baseline deviation analysis wouldn't understand the principles behind the active lurking and IIoA tells.In post 624, Belisarius wrote:What I said. When was the last time you've seen scum caught based on "IIoA" or "Active lurking"In post 614, Lying Cat wrote:what
Oh that's right, never.
When was the last time you saw a player harassed using those buzzwords only to have them flip town?
Oh that's right, every other game.
Fuck IIoA and active-lurking-based pushes.
Back before I was frozen in arctic ice on a mission to kill Nazis, people used to try to learn the theory behind stuff like that. In my return games and the recent games I've read, I've encountered eleven (11) active lurking scum and three (3) IIoA cases, all obvious and correct. In the first game I played this year, we lost because half the (lurking) town found it scummy that I wanted to lynch (lurking) scum. I understand that it might be trendy to attempt to keep the lynch success rate as close to random average as possible, but please lets pretend at least to be catching scum.
p-edit holy shit you guys just posted a page of stuff. Jingle is watching me go on a date tonight so he can learn how that works, but one of us will post later.
In post 761, Buckwild wrote:WTF? If the majority of ppl aren't scum and u are including AP in there, then you are putting your bets on one of the list you just mentioned as not scum?In post 730, Varsoon wrote:PoE.In post 728, Buckwild wrote:Varsoon, you are confusing me with this post and a couple posts earlier where u say the JKLM hammer does not get us anywhere? If he is in your scum pule, why are you waiting?In post 718, Varsoon wrote:Pretty much.
If there's not scum between Grim, FlyBeau, Beli, and JKLM, then the scum's already won.
Basically, if the major people behind the JKLM and Beli pushes aren't scum (AP, FlyBeau, Grim), then logic leads me to believe one of JKLM or Beli is scum.
Still, I'm putting my bets on AP for now.
In post 759, Varsoon wrote:676 ruins a chance at further reaction from JKLM.I want to know why you think Grim is scummy, particularly over the fake-hammer.
693 adds nothing, but makes it look like Grim is doing something.
When reading, it seemed as though Guyett sincerely felt that it was a quick-hammer, or at least a vote that would enable one. When swapped to the Grim account, Grim argues that the vote wasn't a hammer and was never intended as one, which makes me read the vote as a vote to put someone at L-1. An unexplained vote that puts someone at L-1, done within 2 minutes of the previous vote, later masked as reaction fishing (but not from JKLM) and unvoted?
Feels scum to me.
The problem is that you were, and we've got your stupid plan to thank for that if you do flip town.In post 688, JKLM wrote:If and when I do die an flip town, I Gueantee scum will try to discredit the revealed connections by saying that I was obv coming off as scum
In post 685, JKLM wrote:So In case I was quick hammered sorry guys but I'm exactly what I said to be
So please lynch Beli tomorrow
Wrong.In post 767, The Grim Reaper wrote:Varsoon is town. His push on The Grim Reaper slot screams it. Scum has no interest in pushing a slot that nobody was pushing before. Scum has no interest in pushing a slot that's proven to be hyperactive. Pushing active players like us is setting yourself up for a whirlpool of wall-wars and the like, the exact thing I think scum would want to avoid.
I won't even comment. Just look at the bolded parts versus the underlined parts.In post 707, Paschendale wrote:Well, these last few pages were definitely interesting.
Grim's losing that townread from me. The fake hammer and then quick unvote do not sit well. Especially the unvote.JKLM's gambit almost sounds weird enough to be true. If there were a decent counterwagon, I might even think of switching.At this point, we should just lynch JKLM.We probably know everything we're going to know without a flip. Everyone has put their flavor into the game and made their arguments. Except for the new girl, and perhaps we should wait for her to weigh in, but I think we just need a lynch, andJKLM stands a decent chance of being scum.
What is this mystical "it" you are referring to? What are we doing? Are you referring to us trying to become a dominant town voice? Or us beingVarsoon, I see merit in your point about Grim, but it's still day 1. That will likely be important later if they keep doingit.
I understand how they work. I'm sure they were very useful scumtactics back in the Punic Wars, butIn post 762, Lying Cat wrote: I find it curious that someone who claims to scumhunt using behavioral baseline deviation analysis wouldn't understand the principles behind the active lurking and IIoA tells.
you know I find your reaction to this weird, since when we played scum I actively lurked and in nearly every large game that scum have won the scum teams did, indeed, actively lurk.In post 772, Belisarius wrote:I understand how they work. I'm sure they were very useful scumtactics back in the Punic Wars, butIn post 762, Lying Cat wrote: I find it curious that someone who claims to scumhunt using behavioral baseline deviation analysis wouldn't understand the principles behind the active lurking and IIoA tells.today, in 2013, they're just sound and fury, signifying nothing.