Micro 252: There Is No Doctor - END

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jesus I forgot to bookmark this thread. It's done now. I'll be back in a few minutes here.

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Vote EspeciallyTheLies

Because of reasons...

I still love you.

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TiP was pretty clearly looking for stupid scum. There are better ways to get better reactions for better information but I see this as a town tell.

Why pitoli or F-16? I see nothing exceptional on this page.

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Bulb that is silly. Wagons are one of the strongest way to get D1 info.

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I am getting slight townvibes from Bulbazak. EspeciallyTheLies's 37: Why ask a question that has already been answered?

Obviously I didn't see any answers that satisfied my curiosity.

LastSurvivor posted his reasons why he found me and Pitoli scummy as did Bulbazak for Pitoli. There won't be "exceptional" reasons on page 2. You also tell Bulbazak in 39 that wagons are good. Why did you not wagon/vote anyone if you thought it would be helpful?

Because I basically just got to this game and didn't count all the RVS votes. I'd rather have my vote somewhere it matters in case someone quickhammers while I'm off being awesome. In any case, I didn't read too deeply yet. I'll be more useful once I'm finished with work.

TheIrishPope, do you have any reads so far?

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Stupid scum would vote tip. you dont like that i'm not 100% in the game on page 2 when i JUST bookmarked it and i'm still at work? What are trying to say? Just say you think i'm scum if thats the case, dont try to push some diarrhea.

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Besides, I'll know soon enough if tip is scum or not.

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Why... pitoli... no one asked...

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What frustration F-16? How do my 3 or 4 posts give you a town read on me already?

VOTE: F-16

First you try to paint me as scummy for saying "I'm at work right now" and then all of a sudden my "frustration looks town"? From my POV, you said something stupid and I pointed it out.

Also, pretending you can use meta on me based on my very first newbie game is pretty funny.

I was a cop there and Bulbazak was in it too.

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^ this post is weird but I don't know why

I'll be more useful when I'm on a computer !

Yes. It is weird. I'll tell you why:

He got caught for back peddling after he attempted to make me look scummy for something that wasn't scummy. So now he's trying to say he meant to do something scummy to get a reaction out of me and/or the rest of the thread. Except he clearly wasn't "reaction testing". Not to mention the fact that even if it was, it was a bad one, and it looks more like he's trying to avoid OMGUS because he thinks it will make him look worse, when in fact it's what I'd expect from a townie. Not this soft and sickly sweet buddying he's attempting.

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Right, exactly my point. And sorry I butted in on your thought processes. But I had to say it.

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No.

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BTW is there something I should know about this setup or is it just something BB came up with in his head last month?

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How do you know that

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Not the doctor thing, the pitoli thing

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You realize that if we lynch her and she flips town, you're dead, right?

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No I don't know what the hell is in this game.

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I like my vote. Why don't you wanna vote F-16?

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Why would say something like that bulba. I got all excited for some concrete info.

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Not this again.

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lol

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My read at this point is based mostly on the fact that she has been completely open about her scumread on me and is now pushing hard for my lynch by convincing other people (like Bulbazak) to hop on.

This is silly and not a reason to town read someone. Also, I'm not "pushing hard" for your lynch, and if you think asking bulb why he prefers pitoli over you is "convincing other people to hop on", I'm more concerned about your definition of a town tell.

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Eh. Pitoli's 5 posts don't scream scum to me today.

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(Today, as in, this day on Earth, not this day phase.)

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Bulb's thing with pitoli is weak. I don't know if his responses thus far are town or scum. But his daycop thing was nice, even if it didn't go anywhere (sorry I ruined it ) Leaning town at the moment.

P-edit: I am getting there.... I'm going down the list and ISOing.

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ETL is sweet sweet town and I already gave my thoughts on F-16. His posts are making me feel less like he is scum, but at the moment, he's the scummiest on my list.

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It's nice having an IC in this game. Though I kind of feel like it was just a cruel joke by BBmolla in a game called "There Is No Doctor". -.-

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hi guys

Is that ffery

If it were nacho, there'd be an "f" at the end of the post.

What do you mean, "rule-of-thumb" based?

not player specific.

What don't you like about Pitoli's reaction?

I don't like that she didn't take thread events into account. It looked like a "wheeeeeeeee! RVS wagon!" vote at a point where the thread should have abruptly moved out of RVS.

How?

What are your thoughts about Pitoli's reaction?

Do you agree with me that ETL is obvtown?

Because of her reaction to you? I'm tempted to do a bert-style game metaphor.

Do it.

(Is this a hydra? Who is it?)

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Oh, that's a null scumish null there. On sangres. Like mostly null but gut tells me could be scum.

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TPR is playing this game? I wonder how often she gets asked if she's mara.

Null for lack of content. Looks like other side of the world though. 5 am post? dudewtf.

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TIP whatcha doin TIP? Your ISO is full of shit. Like actual shit. It's dripping down the screen. You need to come here and clean this up right away.

Fucking nonsense and nothing posts. Horrific.

VOTE: TiP

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Until my other scum reads clear themselves or damn themselves, Bulb can be town for now.

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K well I think you think less than you should think on pitoli. And we need more.

Like a wagon on TIP.

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My first post in nearly every MS mafia game is a "hi guys".

viewtopic.php?p=5279921#p5279921

That post was made by nacho.

lol.. I meant if nacho made the post, why would he sign it "f"

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This is a hydra of Nacho and fferyllt.

OH MY DEAR LORD. I LOVE YOU.

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fferyllt and Cabd in Newbie 1436. ("Shaka, when the walls fell")

f-16 knows that paranoia can be faked. He meta-d a game where I faked paranoia pretty effectively recently.

Yes, my point. So why is he town-reading me?

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Who is Derivan?

UNVOTE:

I didn't realize it was L-1

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Damn lurkers. >:(

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Well... that's not fair. Game just started today. But still.

EVERYONE SHOULD BE AS EXCITED ABOUT EVERY GAME AS I AM. So there.

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Bulb, you have to admit TIP's ISO is bullshit.

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Eh. Meta only?

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VOTE: F-16

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The problem is, F-16, you have too many town reads. You are

too

agreeable. I am looking at everyone and I keep coming back to you.

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That's all well and fine, but we haven't had any big reactions or 1v1s to analyze, nor any flips to strengthen town reads and associations. One person hasn't even posted. I guess I just find you to seem more certain than you should be at this point in a game like this.

Most games I've played are off the ground and running in a few pages but we have 6 pages of forced reads based on nothing.

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Pitoli wagon is stupid and caseless. I'm going to look at who's on it.

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Yes and I'm going to use it TIP. However I dont think pitoli is our best option for D1, which is why I think it's stupid. Why do you do something useful instead of attempting to catch me in some fabricated contradiction.

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Why do

n't

FTFM.

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Yes. Saying things that have scum motivation is "the wrong reason". Also I dont particularly like your subtle attempt at discrediting me. You are just now posting and we're 8 pages in so who should really wake up now? You feel like playing stupid scum and that's your reason to hop on the easy wagon is it? And the reasons for F-16's are "wrong" lol....

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Wow. Look at that cop out. He has asked you to justify your suspicion and you shoot back with that?

VOTE: TPR

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I'm not asking you to, TIP. Am I?

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That's bullshit, Purp. There's 2 people on it.

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That's the worst excuse for a scumtell I've ever seen. It benefits town to explain your reads. Scum are either unable or unwilling to do so. Like you, TPR.

You have been asked again, and again you deflect.

Make your case on TIP. Now. Or my vote stays and rightly so.

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Bulb can you look at what I was responding to before you shoot me down?

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I, ME, I AM ASKING YOU TO EXPLAIN YOUR READS. AGAIN YOU DEFLECT AND ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT.

RIGHTLY SO = YOU ARE MAKING YOURSELF MORE AND MORE OBVIOUSLY SCUM.

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Jesus christ, people. Lynch this.

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I am paying attention Bulb. That's not right of you to say that. It was not my impression that F-16 was "the default wagon". Votes are louder than words in this game.

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I never said it was, Bulb.... ? Why are you acting like that was the end all be all of my push on TPR?

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Yes, I was right, I like you.

"He's attacking my attacker so I will buddy him."

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UNVOTE:

It better not be hammer TiP. I will kill you tomorrow if it is.

We are barely 3 days into D1 and you're trying to hammer? WTF kind of anti-town, discussion stopping shit is this? I haven't even gotten home and had a chance to talk more in-depth with TPR or sangres.

NOT. COOL.

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UH HELLO. I NEED COMPLETE READS.

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Thank god Derivan is being replaced.

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I don't think pit or her reaction was scummy.

I did much prefer your explanation F-16 and wish you'd done that to begin with.

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What do you think of Sangres?

I'll have more articulated thoughts when I get a chance to dig through their ISO tonight. I'm pretty much just skimming/responding to most recent posts at the moment because I can't wait to gtfo out of the office but I can't do more than what I'm doing or I'll get in trouble.

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More nonsense from TiP.

Anyway... do you know how often people "catch" scum on D1? In RVS no less? Except not really because they weren't lynched. You don't catch scum until they are lynched.

P-edit: TiP is a trolly troll. Why you feed him, Bulb?

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Sorry I'm being nonsensical
I just want purple rose dead and d2 to happen

I dont know if you are asking to be lynched, if you're scum, or if you're just a horrible player; but either way you need to start putting in some real effort.

This "I just want to end the day" bullshit is just that, and we're still waiting on another player. You don't end the conversation when there's 11 days left on the deadline. Hell fucking no.

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STOP BEING A FUCKING IDIOT TIP.

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Is BB the type of mod to include jesters? Because this is ridiculous.

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You're pissing me off.

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HI CHAOS!

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I don't like that you immediately jumped onto the possible scum motivation even though it is the less likely one here. My thinking is that you know I figured out that you are scum and your best shot is to push a lynch on me (especially when I am being FOSsed hard by town).

This is kind of a stretch, don't you think...

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I never responded to that, TPR. That's a better response than what you had been using. I agree that Tippy is being useless. But I also think you are rather defensive and needlessly aggressive, towards me in particular, and that's a bit odd, considering the only thing I really did was suspect you.

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lolwow ok. So you're just rude and insulting, a player who isn't enjoyable to play with? Got it.

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It's funny that you are "pissed off about people's laziness" when, besides TiP, you've been the only other unhelpful player. You had to be asked multiple times by multiple people to justify your read on TiP before you came up with 243. So, you really don't have a leg to stand on with calling other people lazy. You didn't even join the thread until long after the rest of us here had a dialogue going.

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You're terrible. Really. You say I don't have a "town mindset" but you don't explain why. You say you think I'm dumb because I don't get things (so you say) and apparently believe that makes me scum, according to your vote. And you're kind of an asshole. So I'm blacklisting you effective now.

VOTE: TPR

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No bulb. There's two ways this is going to end:
1) TPR get's lynched.
2) TPR replaces out.

Actually, a 3rd, if neither of those occur,

I

will replace out.

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Look, I have a legitimate scum read on TPR. She also happens to be a cunt. While the two are mutually exclusive and the first is my reason for voting her, I also want her the fuck out of this game, so I'm not moving on this.

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Spoiler: TPR

Stupid scum would vote tip. you dont like that i'm not 100% in the game on page 2 when i JUST bookmarked it and i'm still at work? What are trying to say? Just say you think i'm scum if thats the case, dont try to push some diarrhea.

I think I feel like playing like stupid scum then. I do not like tip's reactions.

BTW is there something I should know about this setup

There is no doctor. Also, Pitoli drew scum.

I'm going to like you, I think.

You realize that if we lynch her and she flips town, you're dead, right?

You need to be more awake when posting

TIP whatcha doin TIP? Your ISO is full of shit. Like actual shit. It's dripping down the screen. You need to come here and clean this up right away.

Fucking nonsense and nothing posts. Horrific.

VOTE: TiP

That took only 5 pages! ETL WOKE UP!

VOTE: Sangres

Not exceptionally scummy but that vote's timing kind of was.

This is one terrible vote.

At this moment, I'm not enthusiastic about the f-16 wagon. It seems to be there for the wrong reasons.

In this one post, she says she suspects TiP because she doesn't like his reactions, but doesn't explain what exactly about the reactions she doesn't like, nor why they indicate scum alignment to her. She buddy's Bulb, and insults me for no justifiable reason. So, that's 3 common and verifiable scum tells right there.

You aren't going to vote yourself, so you are hardly the person I have to convince.

TiP asks her to explain, and instead, she shoots back with this salty reply. So I ask her again. She dodges with this:

Wow. Look at that cop out. He has asked you to justify your suspicion and you shoot back with that?

VOTE: TPR

Yes, more or less. Too often I've seen scum post "why am I scum!?!?!?", and although it goes a little far to count it as a scumtell (it's not hugely accurate, though I believe it's a mark against someone), I think it's a bad idea to get into a discussion about it. It's always going to be drawn out, and in the end you aren't talking to the people you need to be talking to. I've posted I didn't like TIP's reactions, and he's going to disagree. We just did that debate with that result in two posts. We can also draw it out to a page and nobody will be any wiser.

I asked her to expand on her reads and instead she just reiterates that she's not going to.

That's the worst excuse for a scumtell I've ever seen. It benefits town to explain your reads. Scum are either unable or unwilling to do so. Like you, TPR.

You have been asked again, and again you deflect.

Make your case on TIP. Now.

Or my vote stays and rightly so.

I do understand how this game works. I am aware that if one wants to convince town, one has to provide reasons. I know mine were minimal. I didn't like TIPs reactions, and that started as soon as post 14.

I also explained you why it's silly to give reasons when the person you accuse is the only one interested in them. It just fills the thread with a pointless debate that nobody wants to read. But you choose to ignore that post and drone on how reasons are protown, because they taught you that in your newbie game.

And I'm happy you've convinced yourself your vote is correct. The thing that worries me about the bolded is that you say your vote will be "right". Not "on scum". It's a small distinction, but an important one. Town want to lynch scum. Scum want their votes to make sense to town, but be wrong. Correct votes are the worst kind.

Wait a second. Are you buddying TIP? Yes you are! That's why you make such a show of this.

Jesus christ, more bullshit. More insults. And still no explanation of why she didn't like TiP's reactions. Saying "post 14" is not an adequate explanation. So I, and others, ask her yet again, to clarify it. Oh but not before she accuses me of buddying TiP, which I wasn't doing, pretty obviously. She has been attempting to discredit me this entire time and it's been leading up to her vote on me which isn't even based on scumtells NOR anything I actually did! Based on lies...

Yes, I was right, I like you.

"He's attacking my attacker so I will buddy him."

Seen the quote I said this with, this is rather nonsensical. Bulba is explaining the situation around F-16, and I agree with him.

also, it was a continuation of a post before I liked of him, before he got into an argument with you whether what people say also matters or if it's just their votes, so apparently I'm so good at this buddying thing that I did it before you even attacked me!

Or I like the way he's thinking and I'm telling people. You love people who post reads, don't you ETL?

STOP BEING A FUCKING IDIOT TIP.

no please go on. I want to see ETL struggle to defend you. It's rather funny.

And further, I seem to have one massive disconnect with this town.

When I see someone post omg, it was just a joke, at an accusation, alarm bells ring everywhere. So when I post "I don't like his reaction, and that starts with post 14", that's what I mean. For the rest, he's doing nothing at all, laughs everything away. When he gets voted, mister tip has the idea that it might be funny to ask why he's scummy.

On the other hand, I don't really care if this gets drawn out. There are worse things then getting hammered 10 pages into the game, then I can move on to another game. If nobody here realizes that "better write a case or I'm voting you" is as terrible as a "correct" vote, I don't know what to tell you. Setting possible scum an ultimatum is silly. They write up stuff and your thread is empty as you don't dare to actually vote, your legitimate reason is gone. As scum, it's hilarious though. Hope the town person gets flustered and vote him with a completely "legit" vote.

But if it makes you feel good, please continue with it

The bolded is the first time she even bothers to explain herself. I never said I was voting her for "not writing a case". I simply asked her to explain herself and she deflected with a bunch of noise. How is that NOT scum-motivated?

If nobody here realizes that "better write a case or I'm voting you" is as terrible as a "correct" vote, I don't know what to tell you. Setting possible scum an ultimatum is silly. They write up stuff and your thread is empty as you don't dare to actually vote, your legitimate reason is gone.

Since this is obviously directed at me, the secondary implication of my "ultimatum" was that if your case sucked, I'd still vote you.
So get to writing that case and stop making excuses.

And further, I seem to have one massive disconnect with this town. When I see someone post omg, it was just a joke, at an accusation, alarm bells ring everywhere. So when I post "I don't like his reaction, and that starts with post 14", that's what I mean. For the rest, he's doing nothing at all, laughs everything away. When he gets voted, mister tip has the idea that it might be funny to ask why he's scummy.

That's the third time it's in a post now and I think that's about enough. That tip trolls and keeps asking for a case is his good right, but I expected you'd at least read my posts if you asked for something. Same with ETL. I posted my reason, (given, it was a single line), and the answer is "stop deflecting give the case".

Uh. Yes. Stop deflecting and explain yourself.

At which point I'm more or less done trying to make an effort. Tbh, I don't know why I'm making this post. It's not as if you are going to read it and think "hmm, i was completely wrong about tip, I should vote him".

"I gave you shitty response after shitty response and that should be good enough. I shouldn't have to actually scumhunt." And she calls us lazy...

It's funny that you are "pissed off about people's laziness" when, besides TiP, you've been the only other unhelpful player. You had to be asked multiple times by multiple people to justify your read on TiP before you came up with 243. So, you really don't have a leg to stand on with calling other people lazy. You didn't even join the thread until long after the rest of us here had a dialogue going.

And 243 said the same thing in two lines what 193 did in one. Which got within five minutes a bit all caps post that I should stop deflecting. At which point I'm indeed starting to question whether you are actually reading the game or that the only thing about 193 that caught your eye was the fact that I used your name.

Since when is "I didn't like his reaction" an explanation deserving of a vote? It's not. Oh. More insults. Yes, this is really redeeming town behavior.

actually.

It's the same as your response to bulba's post about f-16. You say agree and then show you still don't get it. It's not particulary hard, we were hardly the only ones that got it, including f16 himself. But you are contrary there. It's the same around the tip case. You simply do not get the lines of thought. I think the thing that frustrates me when talking to you is that your mindset is different. You simply do not think as town.

vote etl

I don't see this vote changing anytime soon.

WTF. More insults instead of explanations. Oh yeah, but that makes me scum that I'm asking and asking and asking for clarification and get nothing but rudeness in return.

@F-16, I don't say you are bad. I specifically avoided saying that. You posted a lot and there were good intentions around that, but at the time of my post I didn't care too much about that. The way you post invites votes though, it's not very smooth. That's fine. What I didn't think was fine was that it moved you towards the default wagon people could agree on if their first choice failed, which was what I was seeing and which I thought was a bad thing. It doesn't say a lot in terms of vote analysis, the fact that a big portion of the town agrees without all that many reasons around means scum are bound to be among them, and a wagon that around the start of day one is favored by scum is likely to be on town. Scum will try to avoid having the default wagon end up on one of them, there's no good reason for it since there are enough candidates to end up as a lynch d1 generally.

So I kind of said everything I though in that post already. I didn't white knight you because you are a bad player, or because I liked your posts particulary. I found in necessary to say that the way the rest was moving around you made you likely town and that it would be a bad idea to keep going like that.

Further, I don't see the need for anything more then that I didn't like his reactions and that it started with post 14. Which was indeed what I posted.

Bulb, please explain to me how this is not scum.

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F-16, sangres, the scumread people who townread me thing is fairly recent. Check my last 2 or 3 games. And it's not that simple. It depends on how it's done.

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As it happens, I called her town in the one game we've played, not too long after she replaced in on day 1. I went back and looked. I couldn't really tell if being townread by me at that point got her back up, but she was scumreading my slot for other reasons. Buldermar can be a little abrasive.

Okay. What is the conclusion that you are trying to make?

I'm curious if I missed a nuance when she and I last played. I've semi sworn off doing extensive meta dives for a while, and I feel pretty good about my read atm, so I probably won't make scratching that itch a priority.

This. I see you guys debating it like it's the town tell for me, and I don't believe it would be, as I'd do it as scum too. I can't think of my last completed scum game, but my best was uh.. in my wiki, before I learned how to play better.

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Not that one post, the whole thing. How can you not see that deflecting and essentially refusing to explain a read is scummy?

And no, she came into this thread insulting me from the get go. She's rude and nasty. Either it gets resolved by her replacing out or getting force replaced or lynched, or I'm done. I'm not voting anyone else until that happens.

And if you feel the need to lynch me for that, then so be it. I don't want to play a game she's involved in anyway.

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Because she is not doing any of that.

SHE IS. ARE YOU BLIND?

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Ok.

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And that's a reason not to share your thoughts. I understand now.

I'm not going to replace out of respect for BBmolla. But I will be taking a break from this for a day or so. It is also halloween and I have plans and shit. I do expect to have civilized conversation with players, which she seems incapable of doing. I apologize for retaliating, and I won't do it again. However, if she cannot keep the insults to herself, don't be surprised if I don't respond.

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When I called you an idiot it was out of love, not derision.

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My bad. You were being ridiculous. Are you going to scum hunt?

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I am starting to think this is just F-16's style but I need to look into it first from his other games. I do so hate meta diving but in this case i think it would help because its the format and delivery of his posts that bother me.

Also, we have not found scum. Just because rose is unpleasant and i dont like it doesnt mean she is "found scum". I will need to evaluate it based on her actions this game.

That said, UNVOTE:

I let RL and exhaustion interfere.

I personally did not see anything with pitoli that made me feel like she was definitely scum so i am doubtful but i will look again more closely after halloween shenanigans.

And yes, i'd like to hear from chaos. I'm sure it will take a day or so with halloween and what not so i wont rush him for a bit yet.

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Egh pitoli that was an awful game for me :S i was a bitch.

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Shrug. Unless you do this consistently as scum I'm taking the tone as a town tell lol

I just think you need to learn to listen a little better when you're angry

Yes probably.

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Well you asked F. Also you seem overly concerned with people's impression of you, which shouldnt matter so much as town.

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Did sangres just post a case with no conclusion?

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Ok, F-16 is town.

=20121&user_select[]=0&user_select[]=0&user_sort=Go]Scum game
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His scum game is more assertive, more pushy, more "sure" of his reads. His town game shows the same self-consciousness we are seeing here. It's actually quite drastic of a difference.

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goddamn i suck at bbcode.

BBmolla can you fix for me please? <3

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Oh is that what I did?

Scum game

Town game

This is just the game links; if people want to check, they should just ISO, obviously.

And yes, F-16. Whatcha got.

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FML.

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goddamn i suck at bbcode.

BBmolla can you fix for me please? <3

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ETL, what are your thoughts on the game so far?

I'm behind a few pages and kind of tired. I'll catch up tomorrow and respond to everything.

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I'm extremely overwhelmed with this game right now. I'm behind quite a bit, and I've been avoiding it. It's my own fault, and I'm sorry. Please give me the weekend to catch up.

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My god the walls are killing me yall. 5 pages becomes 20.

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I'm going to do this in chunks, so it's more manageable.

Spoiler: Catch up post 1

I think you are town, and Pitoli is town. LastSurvivor is mod-confirmed.

That leaves two scum in {Sangres, Bulbazak, TIP, TPR, and ChaosOmega}. I am not sure where to go from there. They've all done things that make me believe they could be town or scum. Bulbazak's attack on Pitoli while hedging on me seems suspicious. In my experience town tend to be more blatant about their attacks (like you have been) while scum tend to be more subtle (like ffery or Bulbazak).

Bulbazak

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Bulbazak has been blatantly pushing Pitoli but it isn't townish enough to outweigh his dodging giving a proper read of me.

He pretty much says that he will think I am scum if Pitoli flips town (and I am pretty sure she will) so it looks like he is setting up a lynch for D2.

The one thing that most gives me a townread on him is the way he interacted with you about your scumread on TPR and tried to get you to back off. Now you have backed off and it seemed to work. I feel that as scum, he would let you get mad at TPR and allow the two of you to go at each other. His behavior is definitely "pro-town" as in it helped and benefited the town but I am not sure if that necessarily makes him town. After all, he could have done it for the towncred. I am not sure how much it outweighs his bad read on me.

Re: the underlined, a quote would help here, rather than an interpretation. As far as diffusing the issue between me and TPR, I'm not sure if it's really alignment indicative. If Bulb is scum, one could say TPR is his partner and he didn't want it getting out of hand. I don't think this is the case. Regarding TPR, I believe we have a clashing style/personality/attitude. I'd like to resolve that, if possible, because it only disrupts the game/reads.

The Irish Pope

TIP is very difficult to read. I am even sure at this point if he was actually lying earlier or just trolling. It is style that is easily transferable across alignments. I think I've read a few of his games in the process of meta-ing other players but haven't paid particular attention to him. I know for a fact that Cabd in Mafia Xenologue faked a scumread on him to get him lynched D1 while claiming to know his meta. He clearly is easily readable if you know what to look for and I am going to try and find that smoking gun to read TIP by reading through a bunch of his games. Null or now.

I have no idea what to say about TIP. I haven't ISO'd him since last time but my general opinion is that if he is town, he's not being helpful at all, and if he is scum, he's just asking to be lynched. That said, I wonder why he wasn't. He seems like he'd be an easy mislynch if he was town, so I'm leaning more scum on him, as scum are more difficult to lynch (I have found).

ThePurpleRose

TPR is another player I don't seem able to read without help from meta. He/she now has one completed scum game (Saving the Riverdale Empire). You were in that game. What do you think? Is TPR playing similarly?

I actually replaced after she replaced out, and I didn't read the early game she was involved in. Honestly, I didn't get the same aggressive vibe there here, and I had a town read on her when I first attempted to read that game (I eventually gave up and just ISO'd the top 3 wagons - we hit scum and won, btw.) If I were to compare that game with this one (up to this post), I'd say the difference suggests she is probably town. Other than that I have no other guage on her. I'll come back to her once I'm done with this.

Side note here: I basically quoted every post since I was last involved and am responding as I read.

ChaosOmega

I haven't seen much from ChaosOmega except a bad case on Pitoli. Not sure whether that makes him scum. I'll wait to hear more.

I must have missed that. I'll go check that after I catch up.

Sangres

I am most concerned about sorting Sangres (I feel that I can read fferyllt pretty well although I am bad at reading Nacho and always tend to scumread him). I feel that most of ffery's posts are rather meaningless. Her "interaction" with Bulbazak - I just don't see the point. It seems like she is trying to look useful and attempting to emulate her town meta by posting "cases" full of quotes and comments. On the surface, it seems like the sort of thing she would do as town. But I find that as town, she is a lot more passionate about getting the lynch she wants, sorting people and developing reads. It looks like she is trying to simulate that and failing - and then falling back onto the fact that she is in a hydra as an excuse. I also don't like cold brush-off and the "talk to Nacho" response when I backed off and attempted to reach out to her. I never got the impression that she wanted to sort things out.

Nacho's play has been decent and is making me have second thoughts about this slot. I can understand his townreads on you and me although I don't get his townread on TIP. I don't understand his FOS on Pitoli at all either. I am still waiting to see if he comes up with anything good when he returns.

I can't read nacho for shit. He always comes off scummy to me. I'm going to be leaning on FF for my read on this slot mostly. I find she is reasonable and level-headed as town, and I see the same kind of attitude here. I have not experienced her scum game so I have nothing to compare, but so far I feel she is pretty town.

Bulbazak, I can't believe that you have no read on me - at all. I have made plenty of posts, pushed at scumreads, defended townreads really hard and have been one of the most active players in the game.

Did anyone else find this odd?

Yes. It makes me think I was wrong. I definitely hear a chainsaw revving up.

Bulbazak, can you explain this a bit to me? My understanding of a chainsaw defense is when one scum attacks his partner's attacker. I guess the quotes are out of context and I can't remember, but the quote from F-16 is asking you about him (which you responded to earlier in this post, and I actually really liked the responses), then TIP pipes in throwing suspicion on F-16. So, my only guess would be that F-16 was pushing on someone you feel is TIP's partner, which would indicate, by this post, that you think TIP is scum. Is that a correct assessment or do I have this wrong? (No snark intended but I don't know how else to word this.)

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@bulb: Understood.

@F-16: I haven't gotten that far yet.

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Bulbazak, I am not going to quote again so I'll use numbered points:

1) Why am I not an easy person to develop a read on? I find it a rather odd comment considering my scum play and town play are very different.

I'm going to answer because you bug the hell out of me. You are a weirdo. You have a weird style. You are very concerned with other people's reads on you rather than their reads on others. You

sound

like a townie but you look like scum. It's very confusing.

2) You are using a very weak RVS-POE reason this late into the game. It was an RVS-wagon. I don't think scum would particularly care that they are on the same wagon.

I also don't think scum would keep pounding on it even after people's reads on Pitoli have changed. So why do you think Bulb is scum for thinking Pitoli's RVS post is a good place to start?

3) It bothers me that you are hedging on me. You seem to be aware that I might end up being a "default" wagon for everyone to move their votes to, and so you decline to give a read on me in order to later vote me as a compromise. This lets other players like ETL take the brunt of the responsbility for my lynch absolving you of any.

I disagree. I have only read up to this post but it seems to me that most people have the same consideration of you that I do, that I mentioned after #1 above.

4) Your discussion with Sangres is one that they have initiated. It wasn't a pro-active effort from you to determine my affiliation. They asked you questions and pressed you for answers and you answered them.

What is the point here? Other than the fact that Sangres asked him questions that he answered.

5) Why do you not care to read me or pay attention to me? I am a player in this game just like any other with just as much chance of being scum or town as any other player.

This is what I'm talking about. Why are you so concerned about people's reads on you?

Also, a note to everyone who likes to post novels: you are making it very difficult to follow this game. Please make your ideas and responses concise and to the point. I am trying to respond to everything by quote and it's just tedious and annoying because you're all saying the same things over and over but using 10x as many words as necessary.

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You couldn't just answer simply????

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You literally could have said:

I'm more interested in whether people are developing genuine reads and using myself as constant. The point of my comment on Bulb/Sangres is that he made it seem pro-active when it wasn't.

What is wrong with people.

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I don't know, I haven't gotten to any new posts of her's yet.

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Sangres, can you give me an update on your reads so I can have them in mind while I'm catching up?

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I don't like arguments against pitoli.

i dont want to lynch sangres or bbulbd. or tpr.

f16 bothers me. BUGS ME SO MUCH. there is definitely something fucking off about him.

i got nothin on chaso. tip is also confusing. like bulb but on the opposit spectram.

actually fuck it. f16 is going to bother mefor the rest of the game if he lasts through it. ehll if i last through it. i'm probably dying tonight which sucks.

VOTE: f16

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I'm gonna sheep TPR today. She is the only one I'm certain could not be scum.

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Because of the playerlist I have reasons for everyone to possibly be scum. Through all the massive walls I cant figure out who is scummier. She is the least scummy so she must be town.

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Obviously, LS, you are not included in my list of possible scum. -.- Does this really need to be stated?

Bulb, so what. You can think it's terrible all you want. It stands to reason she is more than likely to be town.

You, sangres and F16 have cluttered up this day with back and forth walls that are distracting to say the least, and ultimately scummy. You have made it impossible to read the day with any ease, or to determine what's actually going on. There is such a thing as "too much content" and it's not fair to the rest of us for you to dominate the game this way. It's one thing to interrogate people who you are looking into, but it's entirely another to make it impossible to read anyone. Each of you bring up good and bad points. You each have some good logic and some faulty logic. None of it is alignment indicative. It is fucking useless and a waste of time.

So if you are not happy with my decision about TPR then that is your problem, not mine.

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Not to mention burying the rest of the people so not only can I not read the 3 of you, I cannot read the others because of the 3 of you.

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Who are you voting, LS?

(And I kinda did forget we had an IC because I'm stupid, but never had you in my list to begin with so I didn't think to sheep you. )

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LS do you catch a lot of scum in your history as a townie?

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Tip is still being less than helpful. I dont understand why we arent lynching him.

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ETL in 10 words or less, why are you scum?

Because lazy.

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no one has altslipped in here.

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I take it that's a no.

Who's voting bulb and why, briefly? Since he's currently the largest wagon.

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I didn't read that yet but I'm not surprised by the vote at all. I'll respond when I get home.

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Links would also be nice if you're going to post a wall case like that so I can go look at what you're referring to....

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ETL isn't keeping track of

his own reads

the game.

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Really quickly, regarding TPR, and why I decided she was town, beyond my suspicions of others, is specifically the fact that she attacked me. I was not and still am not an easy lynch. especially at the time of her attack, there were far better wagons she could have, as scum, easily pushed through without casting suspicion on herself. Except she didnt. She went after someone who, in her opinion, seemed the most likely to be scum. I dont see a scum motivation for any of that.

I'm sorry I havent responded yet, TB. I've been busy. But other things have been sorted now so I'll have more time for this game. I'll look into the case and answer any questions you have tonight, as well as give a detailed and updated reads list.

FWIW, I agree that Bulb's sudden reversal on TiP is strange, especially since he (TIP) seems to have gotten into the game now.

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I took the liberty of linking your responses to the quotes, which you neglected to do for reference. Or you purposely chose to omit them so the context is lost. It's one or the other.

Okay, I would like everyone to keep something in mind. While the whole game has lasted over a week for the rest of you, the entire game has just happened for me in the last day, so everything is fresh in my mind.

But seriously ETL is my strongest scumread.

Vote: ETL

. I wasn't joking when I asked him why he's scum. Why is he scum T-Bone? Well I'm glad you asked. I find ETL's to drop some pretty scum motivated posting. I'll point some out and explain the behind the scenes stuff I see going on.

TiP was pretty clearly looking for stupid scum. There are better ways to get better reactions for better information but I see this as a town tell.

Why pitoli or F-16? I see nothing exceptional on this page.

he's looking for a buddy in TIP. It's scummy to me when a player tries to explain someone else's actions. That's how scum can go "look at me contributing!". I don't like players who go 'look at me contributing!'

"It's scummy to try to explain someone else's actions"? So, giving my impression of what occurred... is scummy. Right.

I'm a daycop. I scanned Pitoli and got a guilty.

You realize that if we lynch her and she flips town, you're dead, right?

"Oh let me set up a lynch all coy like'.

Please read the post I was responding to, and my response. Consider that I believed the possibility of a daycop. Consider that I took the post at face value, and attempted to get him to own his "claim" or discard it. What I see here is a blatant stretching of what was going on in the thread to suit your own ends. If I was trying to set up a lynch on Pitoli, don't you think I'd have been trying a little harder than this?

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It's nice having an IC in this game. Though I kind of feel like it was just a cruel joke by BBmolla in a game called "There Is No Doctor". -.-

He wants to plant some doubt about the Innocent Child. That's good, scum want that doubt in the air.[/quote]
I think you'd have to be an idiot to believe that I'm attempting to cast doubt on

A FUCKING MOD-CONFIRMED SLOT.

TIP whatcha doin TIP? Your ISO is full of shit. Like actual shit. It's dripping down the screen. You need to come here and clean this up right away.

Fucking nonsense and nothing posts. Horrific.

VOTE: TiP

No progression into changing his read from F-16 to TIP. It just suddenly happens, and he rages too, because a lot of players do that on this site (me included) so it seems innocent enough right? This is the post that originally set me off in my first read, and I immediately posted in the thread after finishing that page. RE: my first post. Other than trying to justify TIP earlier in the game his posts have been devoid of anyone really but F-16 to this point.

Uh.... are you like... on drugs? Please look at TIP's ISO from game start to this point, post 104. Do I have to spell out what is fucking IN THE THREAD? TIP was being a trolltard and I wanted to push him. This is also barely page 4. What exactly were you expecting... a full reads list with defined explanations, quotes and cases?

Wow. Look at that cop out. He has asked you to justify your suspicion and you shoot back with that?

VOTE: TPR

Don't like this, because the post he is reacting to from TPR is the most townie thing anyone has said this game.

I obviously didn't think so. (But that's scummy right? Pushing people you think are scum?)

More nonsense from TiP.

Anyway... do you know how often people "catch" scum on D1? In RVS no less? Except not really because they weren't lynched. You don't catch scum until they are lynched.

P-edit: TiP is a trolly troll. Why you feed him, Bulb?

Hate hate hate this. "people don't often catch scum on Day 1....(so why bother amiright?)"

Please quote me where I ever said, or even implied, that there's no reason to try on D1?
And, again you neglected to keep the context. I was replying to Bulbazak's post, where he claimed to have "caught" scum on D1. My stating that scum aren't caught until they are lynched is scummy, though, according to you.

What are y'all talking about
It's not even page 10
Chill

I've caught scum on page 1.

What?

They got away in the end, but I still caught them.

I don't like arguments against pitoli.

i dont want to lynch sangres or bbulbd. or tpr.

f16 bothers me. BUGS ME SO MUCH. there is definitely something fucking off about him.

i got nothin on chaso. tip is also confusing. like bulb but on the opposit spectram.

actually fuck it. f16 is going to bother mefor the rest of the game if he lasts through it. ehll if i last through it. i'm probably dying tonight which sucks.

VOTE: f16

Hate this too. F-16 was town when it suited his agenda. Now F-16 is scum again. That's not an evolving read, that's a read of convenience.

You really are an idiot. I've been saying for I don't know how long that something is fucking off with F16 and I want to get to the fucking bottom of it. Not to mention the fact that I was catching up with the thread at the time of this post AND I WAS FUCKING DRUNK. For fucks sake.

I'm gonna sheep TPR today. She is the only one I'm certain could not be scum.

Because of the playerlist I have reasons for everyone to possibly be scum. Through all the massive walls I cant figure out who is scummier. She is the least scummy so she must be town.

Similar thing. Now TPR is town because again, it suits some agenda. That's not an evolving read. Calling the playerlist scum for wall posting...again, that's not reads that are fluid and evolving...it's as if ETL isn't keeping track of his own reads, and instead the reads he is posting look fake because of it.

"When it suits some agenda" lol... and what agenda is that, please? Also, where did I fucking say that everyone on the playerlist was scum because they post walls? Hint: I didn't. What did say was that clogging up the thread with massive wall responses back and forth made it difficult to read. I named 3 specific individuals: Sangres, F16, and Bulbazak. I stated that it was scummy. Scummy. Not that the entire playerlist is scum. That those three were doing a scummy thing. I already explained my thinking on TPR. Several times.

LS do you catch a lot of scum in your history as a townie?

'Let me attack the credibility of a town-confirmed player'. Sorry, LastSurvivor's reads are the most important and trump everyone else's right now.

LMAO. NOW I KNOW YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT. That's an attack? wow. It was an honest question. It wasn't a comment on his skills or a criticism. If it was, it would have been a statement, and not a fucking question. And guess what - no, his reads are not the most important nor do they trump anyone's because whether he's confirmed or not, his ability to find scum is not confirmed. No one's is. When I see evidence to that fact I will sheep that person if I am not confident enough in my own skills compared to theirs.

Um yeah, that's ETL in short. Any questions?

Um yeah, you can fuck off with your case full of misreps and omissions and deliberate manipulations of context.

VOTE: TBag

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Actually, the more I think about it, the more I really like that vote. Especially given his statement about LS. It only seems logical that scum would attempt to buddy the fuckin conftown.

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I did respond to ETL's vote. It's OMGUS. I feel like I would derail discussion by trying to go point by point with him. Who am I supposed to convince I'm town...ETL? If he's scum like I suspect he is, he already knows I'm town and nothing I say is going to change his mind. Is me arguing with ETL going to convince you, LS, that I am town? Because any discussion I have with him will develop to an argument. He had his chance to prove to me he isn't scum, and he used that chance to throw a brick wall at me. I don't need to convince ETL that he's scum, I need to convince you that he's scum. So, what are your thoughts about ETL being scum?

What you mean to say is, you're trying to push a lynch on town and don't want to actually argue the "points" you made that I was very clearly shot down.

You're a fucking idiot is what you are. Your case is bullshit and you don't even have the balls to fucking discuss it.

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Also, how dare you call it OMGUS. If there wasn't actual scum motivation in your "case" then yes, it would be OMGUS.

But I pointed out how you manipulated the context to make it look how you wanted (not how it actually was). That's called misrepresentation. You did it. And you did it a lot. It's also called lying. You did that too.

So if you would like to continue attempting to discredit me by calling it OMGUS, by all means go ahead.

BUT YOU ARE SCUM AND I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

I WILL NOT VOTE ANYONE ELSE.

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@LS, no you really didn't misrep me. I intentionally decided not to go point for point with him. I've always said that arguing with another player is poor play, but then I usually do it myself if confronted. So this time I'm trying to be non-confrontational.

I am asking you to fucking take responsibility for the lies you made.

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if you have a better suggestion

Yes.

T-Bone. Why are you ignoring me.

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I'm not dying today, TPR.

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I want to lynch TBone.

But you made a really good point about the cop comment. I missed that.

I'm looking at her ISO right now.

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I'm not dying today, TPR.

This pings.

She was saying she wanted me lynched. Then asked Bulb if he would lynch people in his "no lynch pool" if she said "pretty please". It was comment that I wasn't going to let her push a fabricated case on me to get me lynched.

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I did not do such a thing. I wanted to ask bulba nicely to join the wagon on pitoli. I am a bit confused how you could mistake my intentions since I've been solely pushing for pitoli for a week now.

@lastsurvivor, same goes for you I guess. Would you kindly read my posts, the last page is as good as any, and join the wagon on pitoli? Thank you in advance.

You mentioned just a page or two ago that you still think I'm scum. It is a reasonable assumption to make that I am included in your list of preferred lynches.

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prod dodging. got called in to work. i'll be back tomorrow to catch up.

tbone still needs rope btw.

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Bulb. ISO tbone slot and tell me what you see.

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1. I'm voting for scumbone.
2. I don't feel like pitoli is scum, certainly not with scumbone.
3. scumbone is voting pitoli.
4. why you following scumbone, bulb?

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also, he can't be that convinced because he has refused to actually discuss anything or engage me at all. that just tells me he doesn't want me pulling all his loose threads like I did with his "case'.

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ETL, as much as I'm suspicious of TBone, there's not enough support for his lynch today.

I don't care. I've had enough of being a part of dumb lynches as a "compromise" to people. He's scum. I'm not going to stop until he's dead or I am.

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Like Bulb's lynch in that fucking chain of command game.

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I'm not going to "settle" on a wagon when I feel I've found scum. I am going to vote scum and no one else.

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youuuuu

I want scumbone to hang. I also hate that I am feeling obligated to do this with you just cuz of that game when you could very well be scum too.

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and then if i

do

decide to vote pitoli because omgdeadline it will come back to bite me later and someone will try to lynch me and use that shit as "evidence". i know this game. it's a scum game.

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I'm not the only vote that is going to change this condition.

scumbone and rose and whoever else isn't voting bulb can do that dirty work. I don't understand why bulb is the top lynch choice anyway

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that doesn't even matter right now... can we talk about a cliff's notes about why pitoli and bulb are the lynch options??

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rose, i was convinced the moment i saw the contrived nonsense he tried to use as justification to push me. it would be the same if it was against someone else. it was bullshit, out of context, misreps and lies. it wasn't an attempt to get me caught in a trap of some sort, it wasn't an attempt to put pressure on me, it wasn't an attempt to get information out of me or maybe learn where possible partners would be if i was scum. it was vomit he cobbled together to push a lynch on someone who was having trouble following the thread.

second, on bulb, my experience now, and after looking through some of his games, is that when he seems scummy

to me

he has been town and when he comes off uber town, he's scum. without fail now. so because he's not glowing town right now for me, its probably because he's not being as careful because he doesn't need to be. i wont be voting bulb.

on pitoli, i am going based off my early impressions of her, plus the fact that i think the whole "gf tell" thing is kind of a bullshit reason to remove someone from the game and possibly mislynch when there are people here who have much more scum tells going on.

like scumbone.

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or TIP for fucks sake

WHO HAS DONE LITERALLY FUCK ALL.

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it looks very much like tpr and tbone are scum together, doens't it? i think i disagree.

she is liking him because he's pandering to her preferred lynch. when bulb was doing it, she did the same thing. i don't think it's as associative as you think.

i would much prefer to lynch tbone. besides, tpr seems to have really good cognitive skills and if she is town she is useful.

p-edit: i'm not planning on voting bulb today.

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oh yeah and another reason on why i started to believe tpr is town. i just finished a game she started but was later replaced. she was scum and i fuckin thought her slot was town based on her early play.

its completely different here.

pitoli - for christs sake just claim now.

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because i'm more interested in your claim than his.

and it is a good reason to keep someone around when you think they are town.

much like i wouldn't give a shit if TIP was lynched no matter what his alignment. he's not helping me sort out reads, is he.

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i'm just saying i don't think it's a good idea to lynch you in order to determine tbone's alignment. i actually think that's uber dumb logic. and i don't think you are related to tbone. i think he's scum and i think you are town.

scum are not unable to find "good" things to push either, and that's one of the problems I have. the first being that i dont find the point that pitoli welcomed an investigation all that telling, the second being that there's nothing BUT that point.

p-edit: i know. he's just a waste of space here. but if there's going to be a mislynch i'd prefer if it was him. his content is so UN-content. if he's scum, there's nothing to fuckin find. and if he's town he's one person who is unable or unwilling to help find scum. i find that disturbing. but i am not voting him am i?

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i could see pitoli/sangres if i had any kind of scum-lean on sangres at all. which i dont.

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and what does "leaning pitoli ==>> vote pitoli" sound like to you

p-edit: f16 she is asking who your lynch would be if it was not deadline and you had the option

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refresh sangres please - was bulb scum in newbie 1429?

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but you're voting him here despite having the same feelings?

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also, can i just say... i dont know where the whole "no lynch is evilbadmojohorribledeath" thing came from. in my eyes, one more day to deliberate and one less mislynch is better, not worse.

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sangres you see bulbazak and tbone as scum together?

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Okay, I'll
UNVOTE:
for a while to talk

F16 are you high right now? Serious question.

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ok but seriously. i forget who you were voting for before. either way you should vote tbone.

p-edit: really you were voting for bulb? that's poop.

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I don't know and I'm not worried about that right now. That's probably the worst thing to do honestly, try to find both scum right away. Find one first; they will lead you to the rest. Getting caught in a sort of "well if he's scum then he's not and if he's town then he's not" loop is a trap and will lead us all wrong.

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that's fine, then you do that. i have not had success with that. PoE and associatives work best on D2/D3/D4 AFTER a scum flip.

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so..... you're saying you agree with bulb but you'll hammer him anyway....?

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pitoli, sangres, f16, just vote tbone with me. please.

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If everyome has that attirude of "if one happens I'll do it but not now" nothing will hapoen.

Tbone is scum. I am asking you to look at his ISO. Look at his pushes. Look at his cases. There is scum motivation all over it.

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It's not about being right, per se. It's the fact that I refuse to vote town reads.

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town: LS
probably town: Bulb Pitoli TPR
unknown: tip sangres f16
scum: tbone

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shut up and vote tbone.

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F16 that's is horrible.

If scum kills pitoli they are dumb scum. And you calling attention to her and trying to make her claim is dumb too.

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wanting it and needing it are different. but at this point I don't think its a good idea nor necessary.

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ETL's case is COMPLETE OMGUS, because he is scum.

dat discredit. you have yet to counter anything I've said.

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f16 you have said fuck all about tbone but now he's your buddy?

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how in the hell does that make any sense. if pitoli is soft claiming a pr and bulb switches to a scummier wagon that tells you bulb is scum?? no. that's ridiculous f16

p-edit: bullshit tbone. stop being a fucking pussy scumfuck and engage me.

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Interesting.

Tbone scum reads pitoli but is fine engaging her and responding. Yet when I blow holes through his "case" he refuses to respond.

This is scum at it's finest. Why respond to something that could get you in trouble when you can pretend to be on some high horse and refuse.

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LS! That's bulb! That's literally bulb. When he's scum, you'll be very warm and fuzzy. The very fact that he is making you uncomfortable tells me he is town.

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I know exactly what it was that made me read him different ways. He's not scum here.

TBone is. Fucking lynch him.

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You did NOT give me a chance. I responded to your case IN FULL and you refused, FLAT OUT REFUSED to engage me about it. I am getting angry now and yes I think you are being a scared scum. I have REPEATEDLY tried to get you to talk and you refuse.

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btw yall I am going to bed because I have to get up and go to work in 5 hours.

I'm NOT moving my vote

because I am sure that Tbone is scum, I have given exact and verifiable reasons, and I will not vote town reads.

So do whatever the fuck you want. If you want a lynch with me on it, it's TBone.

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HI SCUMBONE. HERE IS THE CASE YOU MADE WITH MY RESPONSES. WHERE I NOT ONLY INCLUDED THE QUOTES YOU SO KINDLY OMITTED, BUT I INCLUDED THE CONTEXT YOU ATTEMPTED TO TWIST, AND I SHOWED EXACTLY HOW YOU DID SO. THIS IS ME, BLOWING HOLES, THROUGH YOUR BULLSHIT CASE.

Spoiler:

I took the liberty of linking your responses to the quotes, which you neglected to do for reference. Or you purposely chose to omit them so the context is lost. It's one or the other.

Okay, I would like everyone to keep something in mind. While the whole game has lasted over a week for the rest of you, the entire game has just happened for me in the last day, so everything is fresh in my mind.

But seriously ETL is my strongest scumread.

Vote: ETL

. I wasn't joking when I asked him why he's scum. Why is he scum T-Bone? Well I'm glad you asked. I find ETL's to drop some pretty scum motivated posting. I'll point some out and explain the behind the scenes stuff I see going on.

TiP was pretty clearly looking for stupid scum. There are better ways to get better reactions for better information but I see this as a town tell.

Why pitoli or F-16? I see nothing exceptional on this page.

he's looking for a buddy in TIP. It's scummy to me when a player tries to explain someone else's actions. That's how scum can go "look at me contributing!". I don't like players who go 'look at me contributing!'

"It's scummy to try to explain someone else's actions"? So, giving my impression of what occurred... is scummy. Right.

I'm a daycop. I scanned Pitoli and got a guilty.

You realize that if we lynch her and she flips town, you're dead, right?

"Oh let me set up a lynch all coy like'.

Please read the post I was responding to, and my response. Consider that I believed the possibility of a daycop. Consider that I took the post at face value, and attempted to get him to own his "claim" or discard it. What I see here is a blatant stretching of what was going on in the thread to suit your own ends. If I was trying to set up a lynch on Pitoli, don't you think I'd have been trying a little harder than this?

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It's nice having an IC in this game. Though I kind of feel like it was just a cruel joke by BBmolla in a game called "There Is No Doctor". -.-

He wants to plant some doubt about the Innocent Child. That's good, scum want that doubt in the air.

I think you'd have to be an idiot to believe that I'm attempting to cast doubt on

A FUCKING MOD-CONFIRMED SLOT.

TIP whatcha doin TIP? Your ISO is full of shit. Like actual shit. It's dripping down the screen. You need to come here and clean this up right away.

Fucking nonsense and nothing posts. Horrific.

VOTE: TiP

No progression into changing his read from F-16 to TIP. It just suddenly happens, and he rages too, because a lot of players do that on this site (me included) so it seems innocent enough right? This is the post that originally set me off in my first read, and I immediately posted in the thread after finishing that page. RE: my first post. Other than trying to justify TIP earlier in the game his posts have been devoid of anyone really but F-16 to this point.

Uh.... are you like... on drugs? Please look at TIP's ISO from game start to this point, post 104. Do I have to spell out what is fucking IN THE THREAD? TIP was being a trolltard and I wanted to push him. This is also barely page 4. What exactly were you expecting... a full reads list with defined explanations, quotes and cases?

Wow. Look at that cop out. He has asked you to justify your suspicion and you shoot back with that?

VOTE: TPR

Don't like this, because the post he is reacting to from TPR is the most townie thing anyone has said this game.

I obviously didn't think so. (But that's scummy right? Pushing people you think are scum?)

More nonsense from TiP.

Anyway... do you know how often people "catch" scum on D1? In RVS no less? Except not really because they weren't lynched. You don't catch scum until they are lynched.

P-edit: TiP is a trolly troll. Why you feed him, Bulb?

Hate hate hate this. "people don't often catch scum on Day 1....(so why bother amiright?)"

Please quote me where I ever said, or even implied, that there's no reason to try on D1?
And, again you neglected to keep the context. I was replying to Bulbazak's post, where he claimed to have "caught" scum on D1. My stating that scum aren't caught until they are lynched is scummy, though, according to you.

What are y'all talking about
It's not even page 10
Chill

I've caught scum on page 1.

What?

They got away in the end, but I still caught them.

I don't like arguments against pitoli.

i dont want to lynch sangres or bbulbd. or tpr.

f16 bothers me. BUGS ME SO MUCH. there is definitely something fucking off about him.

i got nothin on chaso. tip is also confusing. like bulb but on the opposit spectram.

actually fuck it. f16 is going to bother mefor the rest of the game if he lasts through it. ehll if i last through it. i'm probably dying tonight which sucks.

VOTE: f16

Hate this too. F-16 was town when it suited his agenda. Now F-16 is scum again. That's not an evolving read, that's a read of convenience.

You really are an idiot. I've been saying for I don't know how long that something is fucking off with F16 and I want to get to the fucking bottom of it. Not to mention the fact that I was catching up with the thread at the time of this post AND I WAS FUCKING DRUNK. For fucks sake.

I'm gonna sheep TPR today. She is the only one I'm certain could not be scum.

Because of the playerlist I have reasons for everyone to possibly be scum. Through all the massive walls I cant figure out who is scummier. She is the least scummy so she must be town.

Similar thing. Now TPR is town because again, it suits some agenda. That's not an evolving read. Calling the playerlist scum for wall posting...again, that's not reads that are fluid and evolving...it's as if ETL isn't keeping track of his own reads, and instead the reads he is posting look fake because of it.

"When it suits some agenda" lol... and what agenda is that, please? Also, where did I fucking say that everyone on the playerlist was scum because they post walls? Hint: I didn't. What did say was that clogging up the thread with massive wall responses back and forth made it difficult to read. I named 3 specific individuals: Sangres, F16, and Bulbazak. I stated that it was scummy. Scummy. Not that the entire playerlist is scum. That those three were doing a scummy thing. I already explained my thinking on TPR. Several times.

LS do you catch a lot of scum in your history as a townie?

'Let me attack the credibility of a town-confirmed player'. Sorry, LastSurvivor's reads are the most important and trump everyone else's right now.

LMAO. NOW I KNOW YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT. That's an attack? wow. It was an honest question. It wasn't a comment on his skills or a criticism. If it was, it would have been a statement, and not a fucking question. And guess what - no, his reads are not the most important nor do they trump anyone's because whether he's confirmed or not, his ability to find scum is not confirmed. No one's is. When I see evidence to that fact I will sheep that person if I am not confident enough in my own skills compared to theirs.

Um yeah, that's ETL in short. Any questions?

Um yeah, you can fuck off with your case full of misreps and omissions and deliberate manipulations of context.

VOTE: TBag[/quote]

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i saw this coming.

BBMOLLA YOUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!

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YEAH OK

LOL

ARE WE ALL COPS THEN, F16?

P-EDIT: NO YOU IDIOTS. I AM ALSO A COP.

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YES HE FUCKING DID AND I FUCKING KNEW IT.

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"There is no doc"?????? You get a role PM that says you're a cop and you go "Oh shit there's no doc."

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I was a cop there and Bulbazak was in it too.

oh oh OH OH HEY SCUMBONE

I WAS HOPING I DIDN'T HAVE TO OUT UNTIL LATER BUT NOW I CAN SHOVE MY LOVELY LITTLE BREADCRUMB IN YOUR SCUM FACE.

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You jerks. wtf are you talking about bulb.

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prove it tbone. where's your breadcrumb

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pitoli i dont believe your claim for some reason. i haven't put my finger on it yet.

also sangres, you have claimed nothing. what are you?

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jesus fucking christ why did we have to do this at the last second.

we are not lynching anyone who fucking claimed.

UNVOTE:

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I am looking at pitoli or sangres.

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OMG THE IC.

INVESTIGATE THE IC FOR SANITY.

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If he's not BP he's likely dead tonight. It's our only chance.

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scum cant get us all

MUAHAHAHAHA!

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F16 I just said that yo

keep up

p-edit: if scum know there's cops around why would you "welcome an investigation"

now that I know the setup, this makes you more suspicious, pitoli

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WELL FFS NO ONE WAS SAYING ANYTHING UNTIL THE LAST FUCKIN SECOND.


THIS IS WHY YOU RUN L-1'S IN RVS GAIZ

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I

think

KNOW BBMolla is sitting back and laughing

FTFY.

BBMOLLA YOU SICK GENIUS.

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FUCK. how long till deadline?

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

DAMN YOU PEOPLE.

Why didn't anyone fucking wait for shit to fallout.

Who hammered?

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Did not a single one of you see the title of the game and go "I wonder..."??

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WHAT.

TBONE YOU ARE CLAIMING COP, SAW A CC ON ANOTHER COP, AND HAMMERED ANYWAY?!?!

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Oh. You're saying you missed the CC?

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Oh god.. I sent a drunken PM to BB about my ideas on the setup.

He must have been laughing his ass off at me.

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*SIGH* fuckin hell

Well. Ok. Results tomorrow.

p-edit: lol yeah yeah you're relieved of my lynch thirst for now, tb. your case was still bunkum, but I feel better about it now.

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Bulba's daycop joke.

This is what made me think the setup might be a bunch of cops.

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pitoli you missed bulb's crumb and my crumb.

why doesn't pitoli/sangres make sense now when it made sense 5 pages ago