In post 374, Kytoxid wrote: In post 366, talah wrote:Not to mention, out of the wxyz options I posted, there's only one which would make sense as an argument for Thor-scum, and even then, the inverse is just as likely if Thor's town (or actually far more likely when you consider the odds of Thor rolling scum are two in seven whereas the odds of him being a PR target of any type or a nightkill are substantially higher given his reputation).
I'm having trouble understanding this. I think your argument here is that Thor is likely a townie that was protected last night, since he would be an easy N1 target, is that correct? I don't think we have enough information to start thinking in this direction just yet, so I see this as null.
I was thinking Jailkeeper, but to expand (and I'm going to deal in hypotheticals here):
If I was scum I would want Thor out of the game, fast, especially if burn is scum, but also because he opens suspicion on pretty much everyone just before deadline. To talahScum, this would be a dangerous indicator that anybody could be the next focus of what overall, is looking like a pretty townish Thor.
If I was town, I would want Thor to remain in the game for as long as possible in order to leverage his insight and experience (and ballsy scumhunting). So talahTown as a protective PR would use it on Thor.
So the possibilities for the lack of a kill last night, if Thor is town and was targetted by scum are:
Thor was Jailkept
Thor was Docced
Thor is bulletproof
And the possibilities if he's scum:
Thor was Jailkept and submitted the kill
Frankly if Thor was dead this morning and flipped town, burn would likely be the foregone conclusion lynch for today.
And although I agree somewhat that it's at least good that we have Sakura's flip info, I can't see scum not taking the opportunity to hammer Sakura with the legitimate excuse that it's better to have a lynch Day 1 than not, unless both scum were already on Sakura's wagon. So a no-lynch in that case would be informative too - at least given that Sakura were to be lynched or night-killed within the next couple of days.
I really don't understand why Sakura didn't vote burn given she was Vanilla Town.
And I also find it strange that two people vote Thor out of the gates Day 2 when the only other votes he's had were from RVS and from Sakura who was probably looking to assign responsibility for her lynch at that time.
So do you actually think Thor's scum, or don't you?
In post 374, Kytoxid wrote: In post 366, talah wrote:Haven't got much more than that right now - I kept trying to fit combinations of Micc, eagle and Zipper together and the best I came up with was that Micc jumped off Antagon at L-1 and onto Sakura, having voted Antagon in the first place saying he 'wanted him to come back'. Zipper shifts his vote over to Sakura after that with Antagon/Eagle at L-2 but neither really push Sakura (well Micc does which seems to be the cause of his voting Sakura, but it has only a brief and judgemental build-up), but it's kind of weird and I actually wish Sakura hadn't self-voted because the information we've got now is less than we might have had even with a no-lynch.
I'm really not seeing a clear point being made here. The thing that bugs me about Zipper in D1 is how he drops a vote on Sakura in post
246, speaks with Thor for about 3 hours, and then doesn't show up to discuss anything for the 2 remaining days. The same goes for Gale, who may need to be replaced, from the looks of it. I think even with the Sakura self-vote, we definitely have more information than a no-lynch though.
There wasn't really a clear point being made except that I think scum are in those three. I might be wrong about burn or Gale but most of the bad arguments have come from eagle, Zipper and Micc. Partway through a re-read.
Also, welcome Cxinlee!
![:]](./images/smilies/icon_smiling.png "Cheerful Smile"){kind=icon}
