Mini 1519: Such unusual pretermen rarely exist; maybe evil?

[qwints]

Raise your hand if you lynch silver tomorrow if there's only one nk.

[T S O]

Raise your other hand if you would also like Silver dead today.

*raises other hand*

[DrDolittle]

Have you found what was interesting in the quick unvotes for TSO?

You're assuming that I am scum, as well as one of the people who unvoted.

Go on, let's see some names then.

Actually quints is the one that was assuming you are scum, as well as one of the people who unvoted

[DrDolittle]

Dr. Dolittle votes grey for grey's response to silver. Doesn't like the run-up on Silver, then jumps from the grey wagon to start a new wagon and stops addressing grey, the main source of the Silver wagon.

If Doolittle thought the Silver wagon was scum-driven, why switch to a less effective wagon? Why drop their expressed belief that the Silver-Grey interaction made Grey look bad? Why not defend Silver at all rather than starting a new wagon, and not pushing the case at all? Why be over-defensive to a naked vote?

That's why Doolittle is scum.

You make no sense.
"then jumps from the grey wagon to start a new wagon and stops addressing grey, the main source of the Silver wagon. "
I said that I didn't like the speed of the wagon The speed of the wagon has nothing to do with the first vote.
Grey's vote was clearly just a weak read based on nothing very substantial, while burn's eagerness to jump on Silver ticked me off
" Why not defend Silver at all"
Because he can defend himself just fine.
"Why be over-defensive to a naked vote?"
burn's vote was not naked. my vote was naked. why are you over-defensive to my naked vote?

[DrDolittle]

TSO is stupid but not scum.

[Empking]

Vote Count IV

The Silver Bard (3): burn_209, T S O, JKLM
burn_209 (3) - DrDolittle, The Silver Bard, iamausername
DrDolittle (2) - qwints, 4nxi3ty
SonOfZeus (2) - inte, greygnarl
greygnarl(1) - The General
JKLM (1) - SonOfZeus

Not Voting: Rosso Carne

With thirteen a live it is seven to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2013-12-11 12:59:44)

[4nxi3ty]

talk to me about DrDolittle. i'm not seeing it.

his first reaction to being attacked is to throw a bunch of questions at his attacker. Do you see what he is hinting at with those questions?

and its not like his own reasoning is much better than burn's, so why is voting burn over everyone else on the wagon:

On the other hand, burn's posts seem like vacillating bullshit.

It just seems like a lot of bullshit

[T S O]

TSO is stupid but not scum.

Well, thanks for answering my suspicions.

When someone calls you scum, you answer why, not call them stupid. It's a shitty tactic which never works.

Let's not forget PYP, Dr.Dolittle.

[greygnarl]

Raise your hand if you lynch silver tomorrow if there's only one nk.

No, he's either scum or idiot town, but 100& he is not the vig.

[greygnarl]

100%*

[inte]

VOTE: DrDolittle

[The Silver Bard]

Raise your hand if you lynch silver tomorrow if there's only one nk.

No, he's either scum or idiot town, but 100& he is not the vig.

You should stop talking about vigilanties, you are making a fool out of yourself...

[JKLM]

UNVOTE:

Now that we've eliminated the possibility of conftown because scum would never try out move out of RVS we can move on.

VOTE: SonOfZeus

That blanket statement reeks of overconfident scum trying to score townpoints by defending a townie.

For this I change my mind

VOTE: greygnarl

Please go die.

[iamausername]

his first reaction to being attacked is to throw a bunch of questions at his attacker. Do you see what he is hinting at with those questions?

no? they seem like reasonable questions to me. i mean, the last one is a little dense, but i'm not seeing scummy intentions in it.

and its not like his own reasoning is much better than burn's, so why is voting burn over everyone else on the wagon:

On the other hand, burn's posts seem like vacillating bullshit.

It just seems like a lot of bullshit

'vacillating' tho. that's a Dolittle original, and, no messing, it makes all the difference. well, that and all of the, you know,

vacillating bullshit

that you cut out from burn's posts to make it look like Dolittle is doing the same thing he's attacking burn for, when that wasn't actually the vase at all.
the point is that burn's vote on silver is full of unfocused and slapdash reasoning like he's just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
wheras Dolittle's reasoning is hyperfocused; "it's vacillating bullshit." pow. done. nothing more needs to be said. would that everyone could make cases as succinctly as that.

so yeah, i completely reject your premise. his reasoning

is

much better than burn's.

[4nxi3ty]

it is similar to OMGUS. My guess is DrDolittle is hoping to introduce ideas like "qwints is scummy for not unvoting right away", discrediting the attack. Look at his latest question . . . qwints accuses him of being over-defensive. DrDolittle turns around and makes the same accusation.

I go back n forth on burn's posts, myself. But the point is to show the similarity in their statements. Put the burden on DrDolittle to show how his accusation differs from burn's, and why burn over others who jumped on the wagon.

(and don't be silly ^.^
adding an adjective to 'bullshit' makes very little difference in this conversation
plus we should be giving hyperfocused points to JKLM)

[DrDolittle]

^ no what you say is false.
I first claim that the attack is unwarranted. Then I proceed to show that the attack is hypocritical. I don't see anything wrong with both defenses.

TSO: I'm not worried that you called me scum. I just want to point out a statement.
inte: Bite me.

[greygnarl]

UNVOTE:

Now that we've eliminated the possibility of conftown because scum would never try out move out of RVS we can move on.

VOTE: SonOfZeus

That blanket statement reeks of overconfident scum trying to score townpoints by defending a townie.

For this I change my mind

VOTE: greygnarl

Please go die.

Glad to see we can always make votes without explanation.

[T S O]

TSO: I'm not worried that you called me scum. I just want to point out a statement.

No, you're worried, because you didn't say it until I called you scum.

D'awwww.

[The Silver Bard]

OK. Time to put up some reads:

Scum:

Burn_209:

He is my main scumread. I have covered some of it in earlier posts, but I’ll try to summarize. I think him joining the wagon on me is opportunistic and poorly reasoned. His remaining posts are him tunneling me, still with poor reasons and where he is (intentional?) misreading me.

qwints:

I find his way of posting very strange. His 27 seems like soft accusations on those moving away from voting TSO, what are the motive behind this post? 40 : I don’t like this post, a vote on DrDolittle without any reasoning. 69: His explanation to why DrDolittle is scum is poorly reasoned, and I don’t agree with him at all. 75: I let this one slide yesterday because maybe he was fishing for information from others by doing this, now that window have passed, those who wanted to answer this have answered. When I read it my first thought was, is he trying to set me up for a day 2 lynch? And is he trying to do it by letting other do the dirtywork, him just softpushing me? I find his post strange.

Leaning scum:

JKLM:

Two posts, two votes. No reasoning. This is something that I get suspicious of.

Null:

Inte, Rosso Carne, The general, 4nxi3ty, SonOfZeus.

The General I am a bit suspicious of, since he promised to post, and haven’t followed up. The rest of my nulls have either posted too little for me to make up my mind about them, or have posted stuff that I find both townie and scummy.

Leaning town:

TSO:

Even though he has posted a lot of posts I don’t like. And even though I have a hard time reading him he is at least providing reasons to why he thinks I am scum (even though I find his reasoning bad.

greygnarl:

There is a couple of post of him that may indicate that he is town. I will leave it at that for now.

Town:

DrDolittle:

I pretty much like all that he has done this game. His views are pretty much synced with mine. And I am a sucker for anyone stopping a bad wagon. The only thing I would like is more reasons behind his vote.

Iamusername:

Haven’t posted a lot. But his posts are logical and his reasoning is good. The only thing against him is his low postcount.

[SonOfZeus]

Bard, why do you townread someone off of what you perceive to be bad reasoning for wanting you lynched? And if you think he's town, why have you spent no time trying to convince him that you are town, and instead have posted basically useless reads, especially when you're about to be lynched?

[The Silver Bard]

Bard, why do you townread someone off of what you perceive to be bad reasoning for wanting you lynched? And if you think he's town, why have you spent no time trying to convince him that you are town, and instead have posted basically useless reads, especially when you're about to be lynched?

If it is TSO you are referring to: I am leaning town on him for the effort he have put in. In general scum don't want to get into big arguements as it also puts focus on them. Of course it may be a scummove to find a target to tunnel to seem active, and this might be the case here, but at the moment I find it more likely that he is (bad) town.

I usually spend little time trying to convince others I am town, if my posting in general can't do it then so be it. And I am not about to get lynched...

Also why do you think my reads are useless? Is there nothing you can read from them? Is there nothing in them that makes you think I am townier or scummier? Is there nothing in them that you agree or disagree with? Didn't you just post a reply in regards to them? If nothing else it gave you something to ask me about.

[T S O]

oh you are, don't worry about that son

[4nxi3ty]

that reads list looked like towneffort to me - I mean effort came after wagon decreased - scum usually posts reads for the opposite reason

Also why do you think my reads are useless?

their useless to me. Since you are now an obstacle to the dolittle lynch.

[4nxi3ty]

"Why be over-defensive to a naked vote?"
burn's vote was not naked. my vote was naked. why are you over-defensive to my naked vote?

I believe qwints was talking about his own naked vote btw

still want to hear what specific posts from burn were vascillating.

[inte]

that reads list looked like towneffort to me - I mean effort came after wagon decreased - scum usually posts reads for the opposite reason

Also why do you think my reads are useless?

their useless to me. Since you are now an obstacle to the dolittle lynch.

what does the timing in which he posted his reads have to do with it?

"scum usually post reads for the opposite reason" - what the fuck does this even mean and what does it have to do with the timing of his reads