Micro 273: There is Trouble in Paradise (Game Over)
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YellowKingValley Mafia Scum
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Who do you think I'm talking about?In post 300, Wisdom wrote:Who are you talking about?-
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YellowKingValley Mafia Scum
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I sense... double standards...In post 302, Wisdom wrote:I have no clue, you don't make any sense.-
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Obviously I don't like the Kagami-scum bit, but I'm curious about the Wisdom - Prob town.In post 295, JasonWazza wrote:
Kazekirimaru - prob townIn post 291, Wisdom wrote:In post 285, Wisdom wrote:Jason, what are your thoughts on people who aren't Kagami?
PhDScar - Null
Citizen M - Prob Town
Katarina LeBlanc - Possible scum
Kagami - Scum
YellowKingValley - Village Idiot
Deltabacon - Null leaning scum, would prefer a Kagami lynch but will settle onto a Delta one
Wisdom - Prob town.
I like wisdom, in that I feel he thinks a little like I do, though maybe a little angrier, but I think it's very hard to put him into the town pile. He is very good at is putting himself in town-wisdom's shoes, and he clearly spends a lot of time thinking about this game. I probably lost the penguin game (newbie 1448) because I let him sow enough doubt into me to lynch phd-scum instead of wisdom-scum.
What is it that makes him town?-
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Kazekirimaru Mafia Scum
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Screw off.In post 292, Citizen M wrote: kaze is probably just VI.
So Meta works when it's convenient for you. Gotcha.In post 293, Citizen M wrote:OK I guess I didn't read Kaze's question.
EBWOP - I was in a game in which Kagami used a lot of stats (i linked it above). That's what my post 250 was based on.
I really don't see Kagami scum. It seems to me like you're throwing her in your scum pile solely because she's not going meta-crazy a few IRL days into the game(that's the only reason you've given) and I just think that's not a good enough reason.In post 295, JasonWazza wrote: Kazekirimaru - prob town
PhDScar - Null
Citizen M - Prob Town
Katarina LeBlanc - Possible scum
Kagami - Scum
YellowKingValley - Village Idiot
Deltabacon - Null leaning scum, would prefer a Kagami lynch but will settle onto a Delta one
Wisdom - Prob town.-
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YellowKingValley Mafia Scum
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For using the supposedly effective and accurate metastat, Kagami will only paint herself into a corner in later days as scum. Why the hurry to lynch her early unless you are trying to silence her before you are found out?
For good players, if they can't find scum by D2 or D3, they are highly likely scum, and should be lynched only by then. Before the cutoff point, town will always try make sure good players survive. What JasonWazza proposed is not town motivated.
All that are assuming that Kagami is good of course. If she is mediocre and her metastat no better than random chances, then perhaps JasonWazza has a point. Even then, stats require time for data gathering.-
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Kazekirimaru Mafia Scum
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http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... roficiencyIn post 309, YellowKingValley wrote: For good players, if they can't find scum by D2 or D3, they are highly likely scum, and should be lynched only by then. Before the cutoff point, town will always try make sure good players survive. What JasonWazza proposed is not town motivated.-
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Okay, so that's a hectic 50 or so hours I've had. That won't be happening again and I won't be missing a whopping 8 pages of crap in this game again. You'll see more of me!
I'm pretty sure that the above quote that Kaze quoted was directed at the Wisdom/Katarina back-and-forth. That's a little bit of a misrepresentation of what's happening there.In post 114, Kazekirimaru wrote:
I see you're the type to make jokes when you're nervous.In post 75, Deltabacon wrote:So I caused a stir, I misrepped something (until he says he was joking I'm still pretty sure I wasn't misrepping) and then I used a little bit of sarcasm in a response. Which proves I'm scum! Yes! The case has been cracked! (is my sarcasm clear enough now?)
The case on me is weak as shit. It's so very forced and yet it's taken me to L-1. Are we really going to shoot ourselves in the foot this early? It's idiotic at best, lambs to the slaughter-esque at worst. At least 1 scum is on my wagon right now.
I find it interesting you start cursing after YKV mentions that the lack of it disturbs him.
And yet,A Different Post wrote: META SUCKS
I'm unsure on Kaze at this point. I'm trying to decide if I see him as slightly scum, or just overtly aggressive. However, Citizen made an open contradiction of himself which takes me aback slightly. Why would he suddenly start to use meta in order to pin something on Kagami?In post 250, Citizen M wrote:What bugs me is Kagami hasn't been relying on statistics in this game.Kagami is a crazy person who believe that meta stats is the key to finding scum. Nothing of that this game.
Then deny that he does meta. Again.In post 292, Citizen M wrote:
I don't do meta but I was in that gameIn post 288, Katarina LeBlanc wrote:
I was expecting an answer for this, Citizen.In post 255, Kazekirimaru wrote:In post 250, Citizen M wrote:What?? Isn't Mini 622 just some random game??
What bugs me is Kagami hasn't been relying on statistics in this game. Kagami is a crazy person who believe that meta stats is the key to finding scum. Nothing of that this game.Didn't you say not long ago that you don't meta? Now you're using it?
Despite all this discussion of Kagami - he's voting for Wisdom. Yet he has never put forward any kind of reasoning behind this, and he seems to be happy to use his time discussing Kagami instead of pressing the player he's voting for, beyond saying 'You are Scum'. He's happy to sit on a vote without really contributing anything of worth beyond a discussion on meta.
UNVOTE: PhDScar
VOTE: Citizen M-
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It is only superficially inconsistent that citizen says he doesn't use "meta" but then uses meta, and it isn't alignment-indicative.Everybodyuses their experience with people from past games; the people who say they don't like meta are usually referring to "meta" as games they personally haven't played in. They are also simply rationalizing the fact that they just can't be bothered to read extra games, but again, not alignment-indicative.
The strangest thing about Citizen's claim is that I did make use of meta in 129, 149, and 210. But why claim that I didn't just to attack me? Seems like anti-opportunism.-
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Not sure what the point of this post is or how it's related to anything?In post 320, Citizen M wrote:you know what also pisses me off: the idea that you have to
1. have a top suspect at all times
and 2. vote that suspect at all times
how stupid
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