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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:53 am

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In post 440, Wisdom wrote:
In post 436, Majiffy wrote:So he would know who his partner is, and what his partner is.
He didn't need to do that. Not when it would put him under suspicion AND stop him from receiving any bonuses. He could just guess or assume the one the mod gave him is most likely the partner.
In post 444, Wisdom wrote: They actually have a better chance of winning if they learn they are scum and actually kill people.
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:53 am

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In post 446, Majiffy wrote:Ergo, it is optimum strategy as scum to not try to figure out if you are scum, and just play as town.
Not really. Killing people helps reaching your wincon if scum. You can't kill people if you don't try.
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Post Post #452 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:53 am

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In post 449, Om of the Nom wrote:You know what I'd laugh if Who tried to kill himself and succeeded.

But seriously you two need to stop arguing about whose logic is better and just accept that neither of you see the ideal options in the same way.
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:54 am

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Om, I don't understand your apathy.

It's established that there is a liar among us, why do you not care at all to find who it is?
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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:54 am

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In post 451, Wisdom wrote:
In post 446, Majiffy wrote:Ergo, it is optimum strategy as scum to not try to figure out if you are scum, and just play as town.
Not really. Killing people helps reaching your wincon if scum. You can't kill people if you don't try.
Town lynches someone every day. As long as you aren't lynched - by playing like town! - you can win without ever making a single kill.

I mean, it's not like setups exist that scum don't have nightkills in or anything. :roll: Wonder how scum teams ever win by not killing?
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Post Post #455 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:55 am

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In post 453, Wisdom wrote:It's established that there is a liar among us, why do you not care at all to find who it is?
Because it's
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If Om submitted the kill, there could be
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Post Post #456 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:55 am

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You stupid fucking twit.
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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:55 am

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Majiffy, do explain this to me.

You are trying to argue that Om is more likely scum than anyone else - so why are you trying to lynch me over Om?
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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:56 am

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In post 455, Majiffy wrote:Because it's not established.

If Om submitted the kill, there could be no liar.
That's kinda my point. If Om is town, it IS established for him, no?
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:56 am

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Oh, that was directed towards Om.

Well, I suppose from HIS perspective there would have to be a liar, otherwise he would admit to being scum.

But Wisdom, you so dummy.
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:57 am

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In post 457, Wisdom wrote:You are trying to argue that Om is more likely scum than anyone else - so why are you trying to lynch me over Om?
Because you're a gigantic fucking hindrance and I firmly believe in the power of a good policy lynch.

And there's always the possibility that you're still scum on top of it all.
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:58 am

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Do you think its even possible to determine a liar from the herd when all you guys are doing is rehashing the exact same arguments at least 5 times and yelling insults both ways?
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:58 am

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Nope, you're the dummy. Once again, scum are far more likely not to read their role PM and stop the bonuses coming rather than reading it.
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:59 am

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In post 461, Om of the Nom wrote:Do you think its even possible to determine a liar from the herd when all you guys are doing is rehashing the exact same arguments at least 5 times and yelling insults both ways?
Ignore those and look at the initial claims of what actions were used.
Who do you think is lying?
Do you agree that the liar would most likely blend in with the investigators?
If so, which "investigator" looks most like a liar to you?
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:59 am

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Adddasfsfh

Pick a fucking side of the argument Wisdom. You have now supported both sides of the scum reading/not reading their role PMs.
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:00 am

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In post 463, Wisdom wrote:
In post 461, Om of the Nom wrote:Do you think its even possible to determine a liar from the herd when all you guys are doing is rehashing the exact same arguments at least 5 times and yelling insults both ways?
Ignore those and look at the initial claims of what actions were used.
Who do you think is lying?
Do you agree that the liar would most likely blend in with the investigators?
If so, which "investigator" looks most like a liar to you?
ETL probably.
Maybe Nat.

Majiffy's not lying about his action but he still might be scum unknowingly.
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:02 am

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In post 464, Majiffy wrote:Adddasfsfh

Pick a fucking side of the argument Wisdom. You have now supported both sides of the scum reading/not reading their role PMs.
Nope. My stance is that they wouldn't read it and just try and kill someone. Which is why I don't think it's Om.
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:03 am

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In post 465, Om of the Nom wrote:ETL probably.
Maybe Nat.
It's not Nat because the mod mod error'd, confirming that Nati got a "No result".

Why ETL over me or uctriton?
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:05 am

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In post 467, Wisdom wrote:
In post 465, Om of the Nom wrote:ETL probably.
Maybe Nat.
It's not Nat because the mod mod error'd, confirming that Nati got a "No result".

Why ETL over me or uctriton?
Oh yeah.
Well I get worse gut feelings from ETL than I do either of you. It's almost definitely not you imo, so uctriton would be my next pick then.
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:10 am

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In post 466, Wisdom wrote:
In post 464, Majiffy wrote:Adddasfsfh

Pick a fucking side of the argument Wisdom. You have now supported both sides of the scum reading/not reading their role PMs.
Nope. My stance is that they wouldn't read it and just try and kill someone. Which is why I don't think it's Om.
And what if Om picked up his role PM and
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scum? I mean, we already know he picked up his role PM. So there's that part. And he wouldn't know his alignment either way before picking it up, so you can't argue that picking up the PM is alignment-indicative...

You still have no argument against Om being the killer.
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:11 am

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I thought uctriton is more likely than ETL because of the way ETL claimed her investigation. She quoted uctriton's "I investigated Wisdom" and said "me too", that doesn't look like the way the liar would fakeclaim. I mean, they are already blending in with the investigators, doing it this blatantly is just too much. While uctriton's "lol I also did an investigation (what a surprise!), on Wisdom" looks a lot more like something that might be faked.
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:17 am

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@Mod What happens if two scum submit two different night kills? How do you determine prevalence?
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:17 am

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Majiffy, once again. My argument is that I think Om would NOT pick up his pm if he suspected he is scum. And not just Om. Anyone who suspected they are scum would not pick up their pm. They would try to shoot someone. Picking up the pm has TWO negative things happening - 1) Stop bonuses coming and 2) Making them be the center of attention and draw everyone's suspicion.

This is my theory, and this is why I believe someone shot Who and is lying rather than Om being the shooter. I do not rule that out, but I find this the least likely scenario unlike you and ETL for some reason do.

Is it clear now?
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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:18 am

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@Mod What happens if two scum submit two different night kills? How do you determine prevalence?


Turns out, it helps to put the closing part of a format tag in.
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:19 am

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In post 472, Wisdom wrote:Majiffy, once again. My argument is that I think Om would NOT pick up his pm if he suspected he is scum. And not just Om. Anyone who suspected they are scum would not pick up their pm. They would try to shoot someone. Picking up the pm has TWO negative things happening - 1) Stop bonuses coming and 2) Making them be the center of attention and draw everyone's suspicion.
But what if he picked up his PM and
WAS SCUM ANYWAY?


Why do you ignore this possibility?
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