Micro 273: There is Trouble in Paradise (Game Over)

[Wisdom]

I explained to you why at least two of your scumreads are wrong. Did you do anything to check if I'm right? Did you check whether kaze is always confident like this and whether YKV is always a VI? No? Then how do you expect to change your mind? People are not going to change their playstyles because you don't like them.

pedit: I also explained why what you pointed out about Jason is null at best.

[Wisdom]

Sure, I'm doing that for Kat but that's because I'm going for the people who I feel are more likely to be scum.

The fact you are suspecting others doesn't make Kat town. That's what you dont understand. You have to judge each player individually because you don't know if any of your other reads are right.

[Deltabacon]

I don't do meta, Wisdom. I refuse to look back at someone else's games because then that's making decisions in this game based on another game with totally different conditions, different players, different roles, different methods. I do not use it. That's final.

What do you think of YKV openly lying in order to push his read, more to the point?

He's just always a VI

This is why I'm wrong? Yeah no, that's a bad reason. I'm pretty sure that I can be considered as the VI in 90% of the games I play, but I don't -lie- to state my case. It's not town-like.

With Kaze, there's confident town, then there's arrogant town, then there's scum. He is in the latter two and probably the last one methinks. After I've asked him what must be approaching 10 times to put his reasonings behind his vote/suspicion of me, he's shot me down. As such, I've got nothing to defend against and because I slipped up in RVS and everyone saw it, he's getting away with it because no-one's putting me anywhere near the top of their town lists.

Also it's pissing me the fuck off the way he can get away with not making a case, yet I'm having to justify myself for people who I'm not even voting. Why don't you question him, maybe you'll be able to get blood from the stone.

NINJA: I'm not treating Kat as Town, I'm treating her as not-as-likely-to-be-scum-because-there-are-people-who-are-scummier.

[Wisdom]

Well I do meta and I have played with both of them enough to know your reasons for suspecting them are bad. That's why I want you to think who is scum in the event you are wrong, because, well, you are wrong.

How did YKV lie, btw?

[Deltabacon]

You seem determined to falsely represent everything that players you have as leaning scum say in order to fit your reads, not the other way round.

I call tosh. Unless you can give examples,

you're

discrediting

me

.

Ahahaha, purely because that was such a good giggle, here you go!

Spoiler:

JasonWazza is in cahoots with Deltabacon. Here's my story:

VOTE: JasonWazza Long time no see!

Translation: Hi scumbuddy!

VOTE: Citizen M

Avoiding all them wagonable chances.

Also i'm glad i'm popular amongst you all <3

Translation: Ugh oh. My wagon is going too fast. Help!

VOTE: Wisdom After playing one game with him as scum I no his meta backwards and forewords. This is scum Wisdom.

Translation: Hi, I am a tasty scumbait! I look stupid and don't know how to spell properly.

What a nice, general statement you have there. Care to elaborate further? It's just that 1) I hate meta as a scumhunting tactic and 2) I fail to see how one game entitles you to make such an outlandish claim.

I may need some convincing. Until then;

UNVOTE: JasonWazza,
VOTE: PhDscar

Translation: An excuse to change vote at last!

@Deltabacon as scum he posts. What is doing now? Posting.

Translation: I give nonsense answers.

That's weak.

Translation: Your nonsense answer is weak...

Because he's tried rather hard to pose it as a serious vote with piss-poor reasoning.

Are you complaining that I'm taking things seriously?

Translation: Time to misrep and put him in bad light.

If he didn't, then why did he reply in a serious fashion?

If you want me to revert back to RVS, let me know.

Translation: You didn't appreciate my effort. Attempt to be town leader failed. I'll act sad and hurt.

...

(hides)

All of the above, as well as:

Delta lurked while the wagon is on him... hmm... not planning to defend himself? Did he plan to lurk the wagon off?

I think Jason is intentionally lurking.

You'll see more of me!

When? And are you going to answer my questions in post 76?

@Kaze, perhaps I should say great players?

Spoiler: This misrep, I like a lot:

Delta is conveniently ignoring our questions. He

says he will answer it 5 hours after he last post

but he never did. When he did post he attacked others instead of answering first.

Besides, if he is scum, not claiming PR fits well with his thought process. Scum who lurks while being pressured. Scum who is too afraid to claim PR. I refuse to vote anyone else.

Incoming in maybe 5 hours. Watch this space.

At no point did I mention his questions, so this was an outright lie to try and push his target.

Delta called our accusations bullshit

while trying to avoid clarifying why it's bullshit. Typical scum behaviour.

Kaze I'm disappointed with you...

He could have probably produced and bullshitted an argument that would have seen me lynched, but can't be bothered or can't find reasoning.

What can we do if you

intentionally lurked

to avoid answering our questions? And now it's our fault?

I don't think expecting you to follow through with your "incoming in 5 hours" bit qualifies as discrediting.

Saying that I promised to answer questions that I wasn't aware of and didn't make any mention of does though.

You're welcome.

[Wisdom]

I don't see any lies there. Just him jumping to conclusions.

[Deltabacon]

Misrepresentations are lies though...

[Wisdom]

Then why do you not scumread Kat? She has been the queen of misreps.

[YellowKingValley]

Seems like you just listed all my posts suggesting that you are scum. Some of my post that you highlighted can't even be classified as jumping to conclusions, or in your words misrep. For example:

Delta lurked while the wagon is on him... hmm... not planning to defend himself? Did he plan to lurk the wagon off?

You'll see more of me!

When? And are you going to answer my questions in post 76?

Please explain how are they misreps.

[YellowKingValley]

She has been the queen of misreps.

She is the Queen of "High"-borns.

[Wisdom]

When you post "Jason is lurking on purpose", it is a misrep. You do not know what Jason's IRL schedule is, how much time he has for this game and whether he cares about this game at all. You jump to conclusions.

Knowing you, you're not doing it with scum intentions. It's just how you think. But don't be surprised if people scumread you for that.

[Wisdom]

And that was just an example, you do it all the time.

[YellowKingValley]

When you post "Jason is lurking on purpose", it is a misrep. You do not know what Jason's IRL schedule is, how much time he has for this game and whether he cares about this game at all. You jump to conclusions.

Assuming that he is busy, he didn't clarify why he lurked. As town, it's not nice to pop in with some post on fridge topics just enough to avoid prodding and replacements without informing others that they are busy. It keeps others waiting, and messes up with their reads. Similarly, that's why I don't trust Delta and want him dead.

I'll say bluntly that if anyone's answer to "whether he cares about this game at all" is "not", then that person should just replace out. Don't be a deadweight who joins games for the sake of joining.

[Wisdom]

Unfortunately, town never play like the ideal image of town you have in your mind. That's why all those stuff are null and jumping to conclusion based on those is ultra bad.

[YellowKingValley]

Unfortunately, town never play like the ideal image of town you have in your mind. That's why all those stuff are null and jumping to conclusion based on those is ultra bad.

Then no harm removing them early. Not that they will be any useful late game.

[Wisdom]

Nope, the key is learning to figure out when someone is town even when they're being anti-town. We have to lynch scum, not scummy townies.

[YellowKingValley]

We have to lynch scum, not scummy townies.

Correction. Not scummy townies. But deadweights.

Scummy townies who are interested in playing the game should be kept around.

[Wisdom]

Don't hop over the point. We have to lynch scum, not anything that is not scum.

[YellowKingValley]

Don't hop over the point. We have to lynch scum, not anything that is not scum.

How do you know that deadweights who didn't even bother posting are not scum?

[Wisdom]

In Jason's case I don't know it, and I actually think he has decent chances of being scum.
In delta's case, the claim, and I can actually understand his thought processes now.

[Wisdom]

The point is, you don't lynch people for the things you want to lynch people for.

[YellowKingValley]

In delta's case, the claim, and I can actually understand his thought processes now.

Claim is null. Scum will only claim PR when they are sure they are going to die.

His thought processes. Null for disliking my exaggerated accusations. Scum for adding in legitimate accusations.

Behaviour to pressure is scum.

[Wisdom]

Scum will only claim PR when they are sure they are going to die.

And he wasn't?

[Wisdom]

. Scum for adding in legitimate accusations.

What?

[YellowKingValley]

And he wasn't?

No.

Initial accusation is not strong.
Too early for lynch.
Lacked support from remaining voters.