NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[geists]

I thin his theory is that town's supply of best and brightest (I say this with a little irony) will be lowered overnight, so saving the obvscum for tomorrow and all-out scumhunting today could be a better use of more or less confirmed town minds and votes than lynching obvscum today.

[Bert]

Yeah, if you don't try to get the non-confscum now, you guys will be stuck in the Graveyard watching me pick randomly at voting someone in LYLO (oh and probably having a wagon on myself too).

[KoreanBBQ]

vote:Sad

[geists]

GiF or Nero?

[geists]

Must be Nero.

[Casso the King of Seals]

I don't know how *anyone* has a townread on Muffin.

neither do i, tbh

but then people are townreading casso, so stranger things have happened

Occasionally people read my posts!
It's truly an insane phenomenon.

Why not defend a buddy against a bad case? The "point" would be to lynch a townie on D1 instead of his buddy. That's one mislynch for the scum. That's a much better start for them than having a scumlynch D1. The way he was defending him strikes me as odd too. He never once states that he thought SSK was actually town. He is distancing from SSK while defending him.

My initial thought on it was that it was too obvious to be a scumbuddy interaction, but the deadline panic makes it a sketchier interaction; it's so easy to cover up scummery in the heat of the moment (see: Muffin and I fucking up a trollhammer in marketplace and not getting immediately lynched for it).

it's possible but it seems convoluted from SAD to defend him that hard only to eventually vote him and have him claim doc.

There was no guarantee SSK was even going to show up at that point, there's no guarantee that he knew SSK was going to claim doc...

You know that we're town, and that vote isn't gonna do anything. You also know that I've been defending you, so me placing that vote didn't just come from no where. If you're town, instead of OMGUS'ing and attempting to flail, it'll probably be more conductive if you gave my hydra partner and my mason partner a reason to read you as town

I want Cabd.

wow this is really weak. I was expecting "you're wrong, here's why". but instead you don't even directly address my point? what the hell nacho? where'd all your passion go 0.0

i was up at 5:30am and hadn't slept all night + I addressed your point when I pointed out that SSK avoided every major wagon
#rekt?

I had Casso as scum but I am willing to put aside that read in favor of ffery's Nacho read so we can focus on mutually agreed upon scumreads.

I'd feel much more comfortable if you aired that read a bit; I can sense the paranoia building up and ffery won't be around to defend me forever, and I'm afraid people will be all too happy to ignore her when she's gone.

Ceph, I don't see the benefit in lynching SSK for "morale." It is not going to improve my morale by lynching conf-scum and starting tomorrow with dead Geists for instance. I mean, you could say we should extend the day phase and get their thoughts but it is just not the same as having them involved in a lynch. I want as many optimal town lynches with the best players/conftown alive as possible.

I wanna lynch SSK today because he's confirmed scum and I want him to die. You are correct in this probably not being the optimal move.

A.) Anyone that has game experience with me and B.) is town knows how different my town and scum games are.

B.) isn't a necessary part of the equation.
Everyone knows how different your games are!

Nacho, I want to hear updates on your reads and your thoughts about the plan to lynch someone besides SSK. I'd also like your opinion on my POE analysis and who you think we should lynch today?

If we were to lynch someone else, I'd lynch SAD. I tend to agree with BRO that we have good depth to where scum killing off the competent townies isn't a huge concern. But the thrust of my argument is: I really want to lynch scum today.

[Ms Marangal]

so do I but I have jusy been informed that he has been ckmpromised so I have to stop being lazy :-\

[pieguyn]

pdodge
was on vacation

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Must be Nero.

It's GIF

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Unless Nero suddenly developed a scumread on me or I didn't care enough to notice he had one on me before.

[geists]

GiF uses vote tags.

[Norlkaz]

VOTE: MafiaSSK
Even if he turns out to be town he deserves to die for cheese nonsense & "I feel like lurking."
We can add more pages to the thread if for some reason you think that will help town, but putting off a lynch with clear intent to eventually execute it isn't productive.
There are too many possibly wrong assumptions (an NK won't help us figure anything out, SSK is scum) and too much benefit to reducing the number of scum as quickly as possible.

[Norlkaz]

VOTE: Cephrir
For lack of a better way of describing the pattern, he lacks manliness.
Also he has a lot of posts which have "to exist" as a purpose.
And there are lots of little 'yup this is scum's in there.
I actually feel pretty good about this one.

I have seen a lot of reasons for me being scum over the course of my years here, but I'm not sure I've seen one this good at making the opposite of sense. When have I ever been a "manly" mafia player, especially as town. Confidence is literally a scumtell for me. This post might as well read "Cephrir is scum because he's town". That is how much sense you are making.

I'm not drawing direct parallels from ASOIAF, but having played with Cephrir before does help.
Tammy is perfectly capable of yelling at people who call her scum, and worked in combination with some of the people I'd read more closely or something like that.
Tammyscum wasn't a read that stood the test of... lasting more than 3 lines of my ISO?

"I'm completely ignoring every semblance of meta because it doesn't suit my point and Cephrir is playing nothing like he did as scum in that game but I really want to lynch him!!"

My experience with you has contributed to my scumread of you. I have not reread ASOIAF for comparison.
I've never seen you play town. I don't think you're trying to locate scum and get them lynched; I think you are trying to make posts that look town. That's a scumtell for anyone.

[KoreanBBQ]

I didn't care enough to notice he had one on me before.

Good job on waving away my vote on you. *thumbs up*

[Casso the King of Seals]

I thin his theory is that town's supply of best and brightest (I say this with a little irony) will be lowered overnight, so saving the obvscum for tomorrow and all-out scumhunting today could be a better use of more or less confirmed town minds and votes than lynching obvscum today.

Lowered by...one, if the evidence is to be believed.
With mason claims in play.
Meh.

If Mafia is scum and is something other than a Mafia Doc then I think the gains and losses do not balance out in a sensible way. What if he's a roleblocker or something - you don't hand scum an additional night. It's dumb.

[Casso the King of Seals]

Unvote

[Casso the King of Seals]

^^^
Thor.

[Empire]

Day 3, Votecount 10

MafiaSSK (3)

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Sakura Hana, BROseidon, Norlkaz

Ser Arthur Dayne (2)

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pieguyn, KoreanBBQ

Bert (2)

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Ser Arthur Dayne, Generic

Casso the King of Seals (1)

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Ms Marangal

Not Voting (8)

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F-16_Fighting_Falcon, MafiaSSK, goodmorning, zMuffinMan, geists, Cephrir, Bert, Casso the King of Seals

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch! Deadline is on January 26th at 4:30 PM EST or in (expired on 2014-01-26 17:28:18)

Mod Notes

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MafiaSSK is V/LA until Saturday. Generic is V/LA until Sunday.

Cabd has requested replacement and is replaced by Ms Marangal.

BROseidon has requested replacement. Searching for one now.

Bert and Cephrir are being replaced.

[Casso the King of Seals]

I didn't time that well for maximum Mod annoyage then.
*Le sigh*

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Bert and Cephrir are being replaced.

Did they request replacement or?

[pieguyn]

WHAT JUST HAPPENED

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Nacho, I am scumreading you because your reads are too PC (politically correct). You have the read that you

have

to have in order to not set off alarm bells for players like ffery. There is nothing new and exciting about them.

I seriously hope someone like Regfan replaces in.

[geists]

This sucks.

[geists]

Nacho, I am scumreading you because your reads are too PC (politically correct). You have the read that you

have

to have in order to not set off alarm bells for players like ffery. There is nothing new and exciting about them.

I seriously hope someone like Regfan replaces in.

You think my read doesn't have solid grounding? You think Thor's appearance was a strategic scum move?

And you think my read will matter to this player list when I'm dead?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I think Nacho could be appealing to you specifically trying to outmaneuver your scumhunting of him. Not everyone reads him in the same way and if he knows what you look for, he could manipulate it to make you townread him even while everyone else scumreads him.

I'll take your read under advisement. I'm not sure whether the rest of the playerlist will do it. Nacho is one of the few people that I can rarely read correctly early on. I consider his entire body of work to get a read on him and that'll take a while to develop.