NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Empire]

MafiaSSK,

Mafia Encryptor

, lynched Day 3.

It is now Night 3, which will last for 48 hours. Day 4 will begin on Janurary 26th at 3:15 PM EST or in (expired on 2014-01-26 16:12:39).

[Empire]

No one died Night 3.

It is now Day 4! Deadline is on February 9th at 5:30 PM EST or in (expired on 2014-02-09 18:26:23).

[Empire]

Day 4, Votecount 1

Not Voting (15)

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geists, Casso the King of Seals, Ms Marangal, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Generic, Prophylaxis, pieguyn, RadiantCowbells, Norlkaz, KoreanBBQ, goodmorning, Sakura Hana, Ser Arthur Dayne, zMuffinMan, Titus

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch! Deadline is on February 9th at 5:30 PM EST or in (expired on 2014-02-09 18:26:23).

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[Casso the King of Seals]

Vote: Ser Arthur Dayne

Let's keep this momentum switch going.

[Generic]

Looks like cabd was correct about the day talk, although I have to admit I had to look up what an encrypter was :p

Anyway, time to get back to the hunt, now that the cheese man is out of the equation, and Edam sure was getting on my nerves...

...

I'll get my coat.

Titus, you posed comments to me at day end and I shall respond to it in more detail when I have time but I have explained where you are going wrong with this wrong theory about a soft claim and I don't out a lot of faith in VCAs. Recently I've seen a 10 person mislynch wagon which didn't contain a single mafia player... It's okay but not to rely on so heavily.

[Casso the King of Seals]

Who is your #1 target for the day, Generic?

[Generic]

Whether she likes it or not it's Titus.

[Casso the King of Seals]

Is this still residual Cephrir suspicion, or is this based on Titus posting as well?

[Generic]

I just can't see the town in her play. She seems to focus on things that are either disproved or irrelevent, that feels like trying to avoid having to do any real hunting.

I thought I was gonna die last night, and it would have given me confirmation on my reads... But that was the ego more than anything I think. And also of course no use to the game as I wouldn't be in it anymore.

Why SAD over others?

[geists]

And I believe!

VOTE: Ser Arthur Dayne

[Sakura Hana]

I promised this yesterday.

Vote: Sakura

And so I shall.

[KoreanBBQ]

VOTE: SAD

[Casso the King of Seals]

I just can't see the town in her play. She seems to focus on things that are either disproved or irrelevent, that feels like trying to avoid having to do any real hunting.

I thought I was gonna die last night, and it would have given me confirmation on my reads... But that was the ego more than anything I think. And also of course no use to the game as I wouldn't be in it anymore.

Why SAD over others?

What motive does scum have to focus on disproved or irrelevant things? Do you think she's trying to play dumb, do you think she's trying to push through a mislynch, what?

[Casso the King of Seals]

I promised this yesterday.

Vote: Sakura

And so I shall.

You could also be double the useful and vote SAD.

[Generic]

Slow down!

Why are we fast lynching here?

Pedit: I believe scum find a nugget to focus on and stick with it to avoid having to pass comment on any scum buddies. So her focus on KBBQ feels like a tunnel to avoid having to get involved in anything else.

Still waiting I that SAD case BTW.

[Sakura Hana]

I promised this yesterday.

Vote: Sakura

And so I shall.

You could also be double the useful and vote SAD.

I'd rather vote Titus or Proph

[Sakura Hana]

Or you could tell me why SAD is scum.

[Generic]

I promised this yesterday.

Vote: Sakura

And so I shall.

You could also be double the useful and vote SAD.

I'd rather vote Titus or Proph

Or you could tell me why SAD is scum.

Hana is obvtown

[Titus]

I agree with Generic. Where is the SAD case? Generic, I will call your bluff and shock Sakura to make sure once and for all she is scum or whether I was caught in a tunnel.

VOTE: Prophylaxis


You promised some shiny content. Where is it? Your votes suck. Bert sucked. You vanished.

[pieguyn]

vote: SAD

[Generic]

SAD is halfway to lynch and I've yet to see the case.

[Casso the King of Seals]

You guys do realize the MafiaSSK wagon literally gives 0 percent of actual helpful information right?

This is just wrong considering all scum lynches help achieve the town wincon.

Like literally there is no way to analyze anything of his wagon no matter the flip when he's lynched in half a day.

The one thing I got from this is Arthur is probably scum.

So who's good enough to analyze mafiassk's whopping 34 posts for scum-relationship tells if he flips scum?

Why does this matter? There's no downside to lynching scum at all.

How do we have 145+ pages of Day 1 and then we push the most useless wagon.

Like if mafiassk flips scum the ONLY thing we gain is one scum down (which I mean is kinda good but it's literally a random chance right now). We gain no other helpful info, and we start day 2 with no lynch info whatsoever.

This seems especially bad in light of Tammy pointing out that Arthur isn't an information lynch person. Will have to investigate that further.

Also feel free to analyze the "strong" wagons but you'll be literally analyzing them blindly because the mafiassk lynch/flip and the wagon relates a whole total of 0 percent to those "strong" wagons.

More emphasis on wagon analysis and less on SSK's actual possible affiliation.

How will you be doing things differently if mafiassk flips town? What if he flips scum? How will you take into account his flip and/or his wagon and how will you use this new found piece of information?

More flawed analysis that misses the point that lynching any scum is good.

Also you are literally wanting to wagon mafiassk because he's likely not to be here and thus not likely to pull an AtE like Sakura just did, and thus you won't feel bad if his wagon flips town.

This is a decent point but I don't like the continued defense. Arthur hasn't defended anyone else like this.

I don't actually do analysis before a flip, but I would imagine if she were to flip scum I would learn a lot more from her 174 posts than from mafiassk's 34 posts if he were to flip scum

More pushing of the "info-lynch" angle trying to get Sakura lynched instead of SSK.

I'll be out the whole day tomorrow, and

might

check in before the deadline on the 26th, but in case I don't.

Unvote
Vote: MafiaSSK

Feel free to call this bussing if he flips town. That's likely to be the only piece of information you'll get from the wagon *shrug*

This feels awkward. I do believe he is bussing.

This case was decent, and it isn't even mine!

[Titus]

SAD is halfway to lynch and I've yet to see the case.

Look who is pushing it. Casso.

Generic, I push scum until they crap. I wasn't going to keep talking about it but I won't be bullied into townreading someone.

[Generic]

Actually a very good argument. But I still want to actually hear from SAD before I consider a vote in his direction.

Same with Proph, because Titus has reminded me of the empty promises.


Pedit: what Titus?

[Casso the King of Seals]

Ser Arthur Dayne - Initial read on Tammy is kind of weird (Tammy is highly town unless she can emulate her usual town aggressiveness): SAD hasn't played with Tammy for a while, sure, but I'm fairly sure he played with her on Westeros longer than anyone else in the game, so the bit of paranoia that she could fake what she showed here seemed disingenuous. His push on pie is weird and not really representative of what pie was doing (and I don't like his backtrack when he goes from "pie is doing zero scumhunting" to "his scumreads are fake/he's tunneling"). Him pushing pie pretty strongly and going "meh, can't get a read on you" was strange but probably not alignment indicative, and his later pushes on Muffin/us where he votes us then doesn't comment on the vote at all both feel weird (I think I read something about him explaining the reasons he did this somewhere). I'm still weirded about by his defense of SSK on the basis of being not good information; I like that he was so honest about the associative tell thing (yeah, it was a lie all along), but I'm not really sure what he was supposed to defend himself with as scum and that honestly doesn't look so great when his initial reaction was to lie about it, which would be for SAD-town. His switch on SSK also seems like an odd position to take; he doesn't seem to be getting boxed in by POE and I don't follow his case on SSK today, so the newfound scumread on him seems opportunistic. I like his snark, and I'm inclined to believe him when he says he wouldn't kill Tammy because he joined this game to play for her, but it's not enough for a townread.

This case is also pretty fucking great.