NY 170: Georgetown II (Game Over)

[Tebow]

I'm utterly perplexed that Chevre isn't even really pretending to scumhunt with his life on the line.

[emogirl123]

You and ABR are the most scummy votes on my wagon. I want a flip on Bulbazak for information, if scum would lead to the questioning of Maestro and Sotty. Maenara is probably town. Kaboom/NS are null. I scum read Bulbazak more than Garmr, but maybe others disagree.

[Huntress]

Vote Count 1.8

Chevre (7) - OhGodMyLife, Garmr, emogirl123, Maestro, Tebow, Sotty7, Aegor
emogirl123 (6) - Nobody Special, Bulbazak, Brian Skies, Albert B. Rampage, Maenara, kabooooom
Garmr (2) - emeraldemon, The Goodfather
Nobody Special (1) - yessiree
The Goodfather (1) - Slandaar

Not voting (2) - Acidic_TACO, Chevre


With nineteen players alive, it takes ten votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is Tuesday, 4th February 20.00 GMT, (in (expired on 2014-02-04 20:00:00)).

[Chevre]

I'm utterly perplexed that Chevre isn't even really pretending to scumhunt with his life on the line.

I don't think I know how to.

[yessiree]

You and ABR are the most scummy votes on my wagon. I want a flip on Bulbazak for information, if scum would lead to the questioning of Maestro and Sotty. Maenara is probably town. Kaboom/NS are null. I scum read Bulbazak more than Garmr, but maybe others disagree.

Can you give a summary on Bulb-scum please, your ISO had like 53 instances of "bulb"

[yessiree]

pretty please

[emogirl123]

ok soon

[Bulbazak]

Since I'm attacking you, HARD, that seems like an odd thing to say.

You were attacking me hard? I'm sorry, I wasn't paying much attention to you.

Also, people who are not bulbazak should note that this is another bare assertion on his part.

Excuse me, I've been going toe to toe with Emo for the majority of the game, meaning I was around when those posts were made. My views concerning all of this are well documented. Therefore, I can make as many bare assertions about her play as I want.

Never seen accusations of being 'flailing scum' made toward town before? It's an incredibly common scumtactic to accuse people of 'flailing.'

Town do it just as much. It's a null argument in determining the attacker's alignment.

It's a BULLSHIT interpretation. For it to be true, she'd have to be the stupidest scum who ever lived.

Or scum so full of herself that she thinks she can get away with it.

LIAR! SHE DID NOT SAY THAT! YOU MISREPRESENTED HER AS SAYING THAT!

After his 124, I was ready to attack the first person that dropped an actual case for Garmr.

Looks like it to me, especially in conjunction with everything else she's said.

BTW... I suggest people familiarise themselves with the mafia-playing norms of 2p2.net. From what I remember, the average player there posts far more frequently than here, and has a much spammier kind of playstyle. The sort of annoying, pretending to do antitown things kind of way emogirl started this game is, from what I remember, the standard way games get started over there.

No, you don't give scum an excuse by letting them say "That's how we play it over there...".

Yet I did not unvote until I had a defensible excuse

Amirite?

Now who's misrepping?

I'm utterly perplexed that Chevre isn't even really pretending to scumhunt with his life on the line.

Are you even reading the same game I am?

[emogirl123]

Tebow stop responding to Bulba. Give me some time to post.

[Aegor]

Tebow stop responding to Bulba. Give me some time to post.

omg please no more.

[Tebow]

I've had it with responding to him anyway. It's Vi's 'arguing with scum' thing. I'm not going to get him to admit he's scum, he sure as fuck isn't convincing me with his lies, and no-one else seems to be paying any attention to our back-and-forth anyway.

[Sotty7]

Basically, I'm just very skeptical about Day 1 anyway so that first lynch is going to be a crapshoot, and if it has to be me then fine. I'll take one for the town.

Step off the soap box and scum hunt. Please and thank you.

I'm cool with that until I've read

I like you already but he is probably town here. He's actually posting!

emogirl, you're perplexing me. Good town shouldn't focus on being read as town, they should be finding scum.

Yes they should. Who are you voting again?

I really want to ask where emo got her link between me and bulb but the idea of even

thinking

of partners is so silly at this point I just keep biting my tongue. I'll be honest in that I have almost completely tuned out bulb v Tebow debate and I really need to look back at that because I have an unexplained town read of Tebow and a slimey kinda read on bulb. I should probably try to figure out why.

[Acidic_TACO]

and no-one else seems to be paying any attention to our back-and-forth anyway.

It hurts my brain...it never stops...

[OhGodMyLife]

Tebow is town but I too have stopped paying attention to the war of walls. Let's all put bulba on /ignore and carry on lynching Chevre. If Chevre is scum I expect one or more scum is still riding the emogirl wagon, but honestly everyone still on that wagon is looking some variation of scummy to me at this point.

[Nobody Special]

Yep.

unvote

Vote: Chevre

[Tebow]

OK: Nobody Special. You thought Sotty was scum coaching Emo, and voted for Emo. You're now voting with Emo and Sotty for someone who, like you, voted Emo.

There's an obvious tension between these two positions. Care to explain it? The only reason I'm not voting you straight off the bat is that a quick meta search reveals the one liners and wagon-jumping are consistent with your previous town play.

[Huntress]

Emeraldemon and Maenara have been prodded.

[Slandaar]

Maestro really feels like scum to me. Chevre not so much.

Loot/Maestro seriously looks like a team when you realise how quick Maestro was to dismiss Loot as a VI but not EG.

[Nobody Special]

OK: Nobody Special. You thought Sotty was scum coaching Emo, and voted for Emo. You're now voting with Emo and Sotty for someone who, like you, voted Emo.

There's an obvious tension between these two positions. Care to explain it? The only reason I'm not voting you straight off the bat is that a quick meta search reveals the one liners and wagon-jumping are consistent with your previous town play.

Well, truth be told, I'm just sorta coasting right now. Not digging too deep into motivation and such, but voting who looks scummiest at the time. I don't really pay attention to who else is voting with me or against me or anything.

Day One is never overflowing with info; I prefer having flips to work with.

[Tebow]

Yeah, so... why did each of them 'look scummiest at the time' other than being the target of the biggest wagon?

[emeraldemon]

Sorry for disappearing, I will be good and post now.

First thought, does Maestro actually have wagon summoning powers? It's worked twice so far, on emogirl and chevre. Is he being townread or does every just agree with his reads? Is there some meta / group history that I wouldn't know about?

So the emogirl wagon went like this:
maestro, NS, bulba, garmr, brian skies, Albert, maenara, chevre, kaboom

I don't really see why Chevre is the scummiest vote on this wagon. Given that people have said most scummy things about the votes from albert on, maybe it's something about joining the wagon late? It does seem like maybe the unvote from Chevre is scummy, but I'd love to know why no one thinks e.g. Brian Skies was scummy. Or NS for that matter.

Will actually read posts sometime this weekend.

Meanwhile, don't mind me slipping my vote onto the largest wagon.

VOTE: Emogirl

@garmr
Since my vote is on you maybe I get to pick on you specifically. Is it just the unvote & explanation that is scummy from chevre? You were on the emogirl wagon also, why did you move? Do you still think emogirl is scum?

[Aegor]

@emeraldemon: I would be fine lynching kaboooom as well. His subsequent silence has done nothing to dispel the scummy vibes.


Can we please lynch Chevre already? I daycop investigated him. He is scum.

[Brian Skies]

@mod: Can I chat in my scum QT before Day starts?

well..there arent many reasons you would do that! Let me see..

1. You are a scum, but a scum would never post anything like this so you pourposefully post this! (using reverse psychology?!)

2. You are trying to get something out of this which im not seeing!

either way, you earn my vote!

I like the thinking and discussion, but if it's number 2, she's doing it for reactions.

you should, considering that you are scum, it is your objective to gain my approval. learn to play pls

Starting to think I shall keep my vote on emo girl.

Slight townread.

What does my post you quoted have to do with my second post about mafia qt?

Why should it have anything to do with your post regarding the mafia qt?

VOTE: emogirl123 here you go.

Better yet since your new do you know what a day-vig is. It's a townie that kills someone during the day phase.

daykill emogirl

I have an inkling that it's multiball.

We can worry about this later.

/End confirmation stage

[Brian Skies]

No matter if he's town or scum, his lynch will benefit town. (I kno dis)

Because...?

Well considering the fact that the only way in hell you could know who's a scum is if you are a scum then his reason makes alot more sense...

Oh Hey! You figured out what I was thinking. Slight townread for you.

@aegor, I just got a pm saying something about townies and my favorite flavor of ice cream... If you're intent on going down in flames, try not to drag the nearest idiot with you(that would happen to be me...)

Take it to our QT. No one is going down in flames.

Is this going to be one of those games where the scum-team is going to be extremely cheeky, or the town wants to set themselves as lynchbait?

What I saw was sarcasm and a bait where brian voted him for a reaction and Aegor omgused. Even through Aegor vote was suss. The way you reacted and voted Aegor was even more suss.

Well, this is an interesting conclusion.

Vote: Brian Skies because what a silly username!

What if it's my real name, though?

Multiball Spec

Spoiler:

Sample scum PM says there are only 3 scum on a team.

This means compared to a mountainous 10/3 there is a gain of 3 mislynches to find one scum. Compared to a mini normal of 10/3 where you have 3 mislynches here we have 6 but no PR's. I just don't see that as likely the number of mislynches available seems too high for only 3 scum, this, combined with the fact the game will also take forever if it were only 1 scumteam means 13/3/3 seems very likely.

Tell me; how many scum did you assume there would be?

Why can't this just be a generic sample role PM designed for smaller set-ups? I'm currently moving forward with the idea of a possible 5-6 man scum-team. In actuality, I only care about finding the first scum. Associatives come after flips. While I do think multi-ball is a possibility, it's something that doesn't hold a lot of merit at this point in time and we can worry about it if it becomes apparent based on flips.

I, for example, thought mountainous games were games where town outnumbered scum by a larger amount than the typical 1:3 ratio.

Oh, is it common for mountainous games to have more townies than usual?

The sample PM didn't remove type but did remove an XXX to hide how many scum there are? I see!

Maybe the sample PM wording is exactly the same as the real PM's after-all that is the point of them. Mafia Goon could be coloured to indicate the team.

Slandaar, you should know better than this. Are you faking a towntell?

Should have been clear to you by this point that I was not going to fall for a day-vig? Seriously, who would fall for a day-vig these days, especially when most people signed up for this game for the purpose of signing up for a mountainous game.

Doesn't stop him from trying it.

Role spec is not my speciality, so leave me out of it please.

Seeing as how it's mountainous, we won't be having this issue.

Are you serious, Garmr? Your posts 27 and 55 bothered me (purely emotional reaction).

? What was wrong with those posts? It looks like he tried to gambit and EG wasn't bothered by it.

Just wanted to make sure that my thoughts on a Garmr/Emo scum team were not unfounded.

So you think it was all a ruse?

Answered in Post 139.

A lot of the pregame Emo exchange didn't feel natural, leading me to the conclusion that there was some scum theatre going on. I didn't think all 3 were scum, just Emo and one of her attackers. I just didn't know which one. Garmr's posts have not been at the level I expected to see from him as town. Not only that, but he is focused on the popular wagons, as seen with the Aegor wagon (And let's not even get started with calling a 1v1 but not committing to it.). I actually agree that Garmr's push on Aegor is opportunistic and he's misrepped him several times, but I wanted to make sure about the connection I saw before I voted, and I still didn't want to let go of Emerald, since I was still trying to figure out his alignment (leaning town, btw). Then Emo hard defended Garmr from Aegor, which solidified the connection I had made in pregame (the whole dayvig thing was fake). And guess what happened? If you guessed she chainsawed some more and voted me after I voted Garmr, you just won a new car.

That's some pretty deep analysis. Regarding the three of them, I find Kaboom the least likely to be involved if there's scum in there because he looks pretty dumbfounded by what's going on.

He didn't join the Aegor wagon though, he attacked Acidic Taco for voting Aegor.

*Seeing why EG was wagonned. Maestro is probably town.

You misunderstand the point I was trying to make. I don't think Garmr was aware that this game was mountainous. This is likely to be because he is not scum. ISO him for proof.

You don't think something like that could be faked?

(See how I subtly inserted myself into Maestro's townbloc? Smooth, huh?)

?

No, I didn't say anything of the kind. What you just said was that you were ready to attack anybody who made an actual case on Garmr. Not just a case, but an actual case. Do you know what the connotation of that is? That means that you prepared yourself to vote for anybody who had a genuine reason to find Garmr to be scum and lynch him. A genuine reason. That means that you were preparing yourself to vote town with a case against Garmr, meaning that you knew Garmr's alignment. You say that you're not defending him? I call bull crap, because you admitted yourself that you prepared yourself to vote the first town with an actual case. This wasn't a spur of the moment decision.

It was a premeditated action to keep a wagon from forming on Garmr.

I like the underlined portion.

emeraldemon-This one needs a little explaining. This is based on his attitude which doesn't come as scummy to me and the interactions people have had with him make me think his bait. He also seems inquisitive bad point is he caught up in that wifomy multiscum thing.

?

*Townread on Bulba.

/End 8

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Goodfather

Why this vote?

also just saw this - the progression from "lol is this scumtheatre?" THEN to "dual scumreads after a possible chainsaw" doesn't really make sense to me, but I might not be understanding correctly

I don't understand. Wouldn't them both being dual scumreads support his hypothesis of possible scum theatre?

That thing I said, in the pre-game?

Yeah. That's still a thing. I mean, 67/229 posts? In a 19 player game? No thanks.

VOTE: emogirl123.

I'll take my chances with a 17-player game instead, thank you very much.

Emogirl wagon is like flypaper for easy, lazy votes.

Considering the jumps from NS, Albert, and me, you sir have earned yourself a small townread.

More importantly the emogirl wagon is drawing votes away from garmr, which despite emo's insistence on townreading him (and saying that defending him is defending herself, which it isn't) is still the wagon we should actually be pursuing.

Because why?
1) EG could be town and she's being used as a counter-wagon to Garmr?

2)They're both scum and Garmr is probably an important scum-PR?

Well, it can't be the second one because of the set-up. And only the first one would make sense why you would want one over the other. So you think Garmr is scum and not EG?

So, yeah, no townread. I'm just willing to be in his townbloc for now.

What townblock?

OK: It's craplogic. 'Actual case' and 'Genuine town motivation' are not two things that a reasonable person acting in good faith would think are the same. Clearly, 'actual case' is to be contrasted with 'pressure vote' or 'random vote,' not 'fake case.' Your mindset reads like "Can I find a definition of 'actual case' that would make her sound scummy, then imply that's what she meant even though it clearly wasn't?" Because, seriously, what scum would actually say 'I want to attack town players?'

It looks like it was the premeditation that Bulba found scummy.

Calling it 'scum theater' just sounds like a cheap excuse to sling some mud to me.

When did he sling mud onto you?

Maenara, have you policy lynched (or tried to policy lynch) before as town? Can you link to a game where that has happened?

I like PLs.

Alright, you get a pass for your previous post. But you aren't looking too keen yourself.

1.would a scum buddy bust so hard on another this early on in the way bulb did? I don't think so.

Why not? They will get a ton of towncred for it, and in a mountainous game, will make it easier for them to slide by.

Town makes bad emotional posts when they are annoyed with another player.

Lawl. No. Scum make the same emotional posts. I got mislynched with one on my wagon.

To restate, because Emogirl is an easy, lazy wagon attracting easy, lazy votes, the majority of which aren't even trying to state a case as to why she could be scum. And despite my disagreement with some of her positions I'm reading her as town.

Okay, so I was right.

emo is so earnest and posting so much I just can't get a scum vibe.

So her effort is producing a townlean for you?

Why would anyone policy lynch Maenara...

Because they're either
A) Scum
B) Right about her being scum (which then leads into the question of whether or not it's a bus)
C) Making the same mistake I did when I mislynched her in lylo

Mae is still null for me.

/End 12