Micro 295: Cowardly Hider Mafia (Game Over)

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: notscience

This game is where I become the most obvious town.

[GuyInFreezer]

We only have week to get shit done so going straight to teh business

Town
{GIF, Varsoon}

Scum
{notsci}

Null
Rest

[GuyInFreezer]

The action too late will just bring town to the apathy. I'm planning to get the action fast, not too big, and furious.

[GuyInFreezer]

well technically, action too late -> wifom -> apathy

[GuyInFreezer]

How do you think about massclaiming right now?

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm thinking more of forming a group/lynchpool by claims than dictating night actions.

P-Edit: That would be lovely if that can happen. Go talk to your QT buddy and see what he thinks.

[GuyInFreezer]

Let's make it so that we massclaim when this countdown reach zero:

(expired on 2014-02-08 19:00:00)

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok.
serious townread on varsoon.
7 to go

[GuyInFreezer]

Thats not why im townreading him

[GuyInFreezer]

#18 is why im townreading him.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also that ghato guy is F-16/nacho hydra I believe.

[GuyInFreezer]

I think it needs to happen day 1 when the countdown I put up reaches zero.

[GuyInFreezer]

Did nacho talked to you in QT during the pregame?

[GuyInFreezer]

Broseiden missing Varsoon obvious town is interesting.

Why is he town to you again?

[GuyInFreezer]

So how would not reading the OP and that post concludes to a townread?

[GuyInFreezer]

O ok. That makes a lot of sense cos that's what my townread is based on.

[GuyInFreezer]

Let's make it so that we massclaim when this countdown reach zero:

(expired on 2014-02-08 19:00:00)

Quoting this

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: ghato

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm not convinced that Bubba's reasoning on Xay in 33 makes sense.

That's bubba for you.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm not sure about others, but for me(and if I counted and understood correctly) it'd be 6am for me when the deadline hits 0. I highly doubt I'll be here to claim. I'm not sure what timezone the rest of you guys are, but if the plan was to all claim at the exact same time, we may have a problem. Of course, I could claim when I woke up a couple of hours later, but would you guys believe it?

meh.

Everyone post the time y'all are gonna be on at 9th here.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I wanna call #44 town.

[GuyInFreezer]

So if I do "BEETLEJUICE BROSEIDON". will he come to this thread?

[GuyInFreezer]

By theory, it is.
In reality, not likely.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: BRO

[GuyInFreezer]

Wait for what exactly?

[GuyInFreezer]

I think each person stating who they would hide behind were they a hider in such a way that it forms a circle might be the best way to go about it.

This is what I have problem with.
There is no town motivation in this plan, at all.
You do know that plan like this could get town endgamed by N1, right?

[GuyInFreezer]

I'll draw a diagram for you. hold on.

[GuyInFreezer]

[GuyInFreezer]

Okay, figured out how it *could* endgame town on N1.

The odds of that happening are abysmally low.

Low as it may be, it can still happen.
And when it can happen, it can happen when we all expect it not to happen.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh wait we can have up to 5 hiders.

Can you explain how it's more likely to fuck over town than hiders crumbing targets normally?

I don't have a problem with crumbing. What I have problem is making every hiders hide/chain hiding.

[GuyInFreezer]

Not to mention that mass hider death with chain hiding gives nigh 0 info.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also in the diagram you showed, only Varsoon would die. If I were a VT who got shot, then all the hiders would die.

Read the rules

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: GIF

ITS TIME TO SCRAP

Scrap what
ain't no time to joke so start working chop chop

[GuyInFreezer]

Nah. I'm going back to nacho/f16 wagon eventually.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't have any reads yet.

I don't feel confident about any reads yet.

[GuyInFreezer]

I disagree with the mass-claim idea. I think we should scumhunt normally during Day 1 and come up with plans to optimize role usage later on. The setup speculation is boring and I don't have any reads yet. I'll check with Nacho and re-read to see where he is at regarding the claims and our reads. I don't feel confident about any reads yet.

~ F-16

Also this post is full of textbook stuff with no sign of genuine thoughts/consideration about the setup/situation whatsoever.

[GuyInFreezer]

You realize GiF's gonna vote the shit out of you know right?

Why do you say this?
Did you find anything scummy in #83?

[GuyInFreezer]

Care to start a wagon on the Able slot with me?

Also this is the worst slot to wagon right now.

[GuyInFreezer]

Because it's someone who didn't even confirm and possibly the one who didn't even read the role PM. Finding replacement's gonna take time and we only have week for a deadline.

[GuyInFreezer]

Therefore, wagoning Able-slot is big waste of a vote.

VOTE: Ghatokaca

[GuyInFreezer]

Full readlist on page 4? Yes pls

Town
{GIF (obvtown ♫), Varsoon (His #18 says it all)}

Townish
{bubbajack8 ((typical town-bubba so far, but it's not enough to give him a full townread yet. Why is this typical town-bubba? It's because of the Metamorphically Enhanced Transgalactic Astronaut.) }

Null-Town
{Xayzeck (#44. I just like the mindset there. Of course, it's easy to fake but hey it's only page 4 and it's enough to put him in null-town right now.}

Null
{penguin_alien (one 'bleh' post.), notscience (

he's voting me

he's boring.), Able (no post & being replaced = insta-null)}

Null-Scum
{BROseidon (Before this game starts, I gave myself some thinking time and thought about "If I was scum, which strategy would I convince town to pull it off?" Circular hiding is what I thought the scum would most likely to try to push. Hence my initial push. But then, I didn't read the specifics lol. Meh. Now all I have on him is some minor stuff like "meh I don't like how he's outright trying to discourage my varsoon townread".)}

Scummy
{Ghatokaca (Textbook response to mc/setup spec ain't nothing but an attempt to garner towncred yo)}

Scum
{Don't have definite scumread yet}

[GuyInFreezer]

Im up! Wheres the mass claim

If someone is getting replaced, we prob are not doing massclaim at least until replacement is found.

[GuyInFreezer]

No but he did exactly what you thought he was going to do (not want claims, follow Xayzeck) when you asked Xay if he had talked to Nacho in Qt. Then Nacho comes along and says pratically the same thing.

You gotta at least try man
(a.k.a. I'm confused.)

[GuyInFreezer]

Vote: BROseidon

I think GiF's list is actually pretty good, aside from some glaring faults in his read on us. I would move up notscience and move down Able and BRO (two slots), though, but I'm crazy and also better at the game than he is.

>call my readlist pretty good
>criticize half of my reads

[GuyInFreezer]

I thought confbiasing was about already deciding the read before the reason.

[GuyInFreezer]

I criticized your read on me (not really your fault considering I hadn't posted much), and I criticized that you didn't have a scumread as stronger scum (not a big deal), and I criticized a couple null reads. No adjustments were dramatic.

Mmk.

Why is notsci up? Why is BRO Waaaay down? As Xy asked, why Able down?

[GuyInFreezer]

It's more like burden of proficiency. You're a strong enough player that you should be able to grasp theory points like setup breaking fairly easily, and the fact that you're discouraging it is indicative of you not putting forth your 100% town game. Which implies you're scum.

And discrediting is fun. You should try it.

Despite how this site-meta's going, admitting one's scummy act won't garner any towncred.

[GuyInFreezer]

Nah yours is p scummy

[GuyInFreezer]

Nah you're just all talk

[GuyInFreezer]

Why is penguin town?

[GuyInFreezer]

VC

[GuyInFreezer]

Wait. This ain't my game.
Oops.

[GuyInFreezer]

My persobal opini ok n is that nacho is vuding bro

[GuyInFreezer]

Personal opinion*

[GuyInFreezer]

btw bubba I never intended to make a nacho/xay association theory.
It was just a cheap tactic to see if he scunslips lol

[GuyInFreezer]

Its not like this is my first game spamposting

[GuyInFreezer]

Also its not like meta is the only way to read ppl

[GuyInFreezer]

Re: massclaim
not sure anymore, since the thought of all started with the wrong knowledge of the setup.

[GuyInFreezer]

Its not like this is my first game spamposting

I don't remember you spamposting like ever

Also its not like meta is the only way to read ppl

Yeah but it helps a lot

I spamposted in jungle republic game.
Time to time, I spampost but this is the second game im spamposting consistently.

[GuyInFreezer]

Theres one way to go with the setup, and that is to divide the players to 3~4 subgroups based on claims after massclaiming at the same time and make the hider from the group check one of the other group.
Didnt really wanted to out this plan until the massclaim happened, but since we can't get everyone to massclaim, might as well out it.

[GuyInFreezer]

this way, we have a high chance of getting at least one untampered result/report.

[GuyInFreezer]

While making WCS worth risking (4 town death with 1~2 confirmed scum)

[GuyInFreezer]

And of course, following the plan would require d1 to end with no lynch to preserve town members, which is a con.

[GuyInFreezer]

1) I don't like shooting down an early townread on Varsoon. I don't think it served any purpose for BRO as town and it seemed strange to criticize GiF reads before offering his own.

...Except early unsubstantiated town reads indicate a scum-interest of trying to avoid conflict and appear natural.

Except that it wasnt unsubstantiated (since I wasn't townreading V for "bad reason" you werr thinking of)

[GuyInFreezer]

While making WCS worth risking (4 town death with 1~2 confirmed scum)

Correction: 4 town death n1 100% confirms two scums.

[GuyInFreezer]

but I'm not really confident in my ability to read him (nacho)

That's when you troll him to no end even though you think he's being town nacho.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also not posting for a while and resting bc I don't want action to go too fast and bring town to apathy.

[GuyInFreezer]

If we're talking about this, what happens if we have an extreme number of hiders one way or the other, like only two or up to seven claimed?

Puppies and kittens rain from the sky.

[GuyInFreezer]

x3

[GuyInFreezer]

My plan nets at least one untampered wifom-free result, though. (since 3 actions are happening and the maximum actions that scum can tamper is 2).

As I said though, I kinda gave up on the plan.

[GuyInFreezer]

(Also with the chance of town-autowin and a lot of scenarios where scum gets a disadvantage)

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I just wanna say that it was my irl issues that kept me occupied these days.
normally I'm usually in the top 5 posters in games.

Anyway, since no one bothered to take interest in my post re: bussing, I'll just continue on.

BRO's reaction to others are awkward as hell.
And then I found the different treatment on ppl who's pushing him.

When I voted him, he called my vote stupid/scum-motivated.
When nacho voted him, he almost immediately voted him back.

So I think that's either nacho/BRO crossbussing or BRO panicked at nacho scumreading him early.

[GuyInFreezer]

So I think that's either nacho/BRO crossbussing or BRO panicked at nacho scumreading him early.

so bro's scum and nacho might be? :/

That's my opinion.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also at this point, Jessica up, penguin up.

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF why are you voting Nacho if you think Bro is scum?

it could put him at L-1

I thought we all knew the reason.

[GuyInFreezer]

So I think that's either nacho/BRO crossbussing or BRO panicked at nacho scumreading him early.

so it's bro voting time amirite

Maybe if I was convinced enough that you're not scum bussing BRO.

[GuyInFreezer]

What did you learn from your exchange with notsci?

[GuyInFreezer]

I just like tutlez

So do I.

[GuyInFreezer]

Updated readlist.

Town
GIF (obvtown ♫), Varsoon (His #18 says it all, plus the "stubborness")

Townish
bubbajack8 (typical town-bubba so far, but it's not enough to give him a full townread yet. Why is this typical town-bubba? It's because of the Metamorphically Enhanced Transgalactic Astronaut. A.K.A. It didn't change.)

Null-Town
- Xayzeck (#44. I just like the mindset there. Of course, it's easy to fake but hey it's only page 4 and it's enough to put him in null-town right now. Also, I wish he was more active.

- penguin_alien (The lingering thoughts of "this girl is just parroting stuffs" is not leaving my minds, to be quite honest. I guess this read is more of a relational read.)

- Jessica (Kat just outright screaming "GIF IS NULL EVEN THOUGH HE'S POSTY" was just . The way they call notsci scum is also but that's not necessarily scummy. Otherwise, I kinda like their posts.)

Null
- notscience (meh.)

Not sorted yet
- Ghatokaca (This is probably because I feel like being stubborn but oh well. This is probably gonna linger a bit more until I'm quite convinced that he's not bussing BRO.)

Scummy
- BROseidon ([insert setup spec fail by me here] Now all I have on him is some minor stuff like "meh I don't like how he's outright trying to discourage my varsoon townread". Added to this, his way of discrediting and BoPing sucks, and now he disappeared.)
[/quote]

[GuyInFreezer]

When I voted him, he called my vote stupid/scum-motivated.
When nacho voted him, he almost immediately voted him back.

So I think that's either nacho/BRO crossbussing or BRO panicked at nacho scumreading him early.

Why would I panic at Nacho and not at you?

Why aren't you considering different gamestates in when you both voted me?

Maybe because of our different skill level? Or it could be because of the bus mode.

Game state's not much relevant regards to that bc what I looked was the "reaction to suspicion," which is even with the different game state, suspicion is still suspicion and vote is still a vote.

[GuyInFreezer]

Actually, game state was basically same: both votes came out of nowhere and was unexplained.
There COULD be a scenario where Bro found nacho's 83 scummy hence the vote, but then if he did, he would've voted him right there. Instead, the vote came for reason after post 83. The only post between that and his cote is nacho's vote on BRO with no reasoning.
Therefore, the vote on nacho classifies as the same reaction to my vote on him.

Now comparing some more reactions.
When I voted him, he called my vote either dumb (implying the possibility of town-me) or scum-motivated (speaking of which, hello panic)
When nacho voted him, he simply went full omgus vote on him with a implication of "this dude can't be town."
Hence my comment on interaction earlier.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't think he's scum because of the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of his plan. I don't think the effectiveness or the ineffectiveness of his plan is related to his alignment. Why do you disagree?

Why would scum-me endeavor to break a setup this ornate?

To be crude, did you break the setup? No.
Then it classifies as "trying to break the setup."

Is there scum endeavor to "try to break the setup?" Sure. To look town. All you have to do is "fail" and boom.

So until the setup is 100% broken with the plan, all the speaks of breaking setup is flat-out null.

[GuyInFreezer]

That's what you get when you let your heart win.

Woah

- H.

I seriously am pissed off now because I just got paramore out of my head

>.>

Bite me, GIf

Tell me more about it.

[GuyInFreezer]

And I think it's about time we get a readlist out of BRO.

[GuyInFreezer]

You too.
So far you spent too much time talking about setup.

[GuyInFreezer]

It's sad that Nacho/F-16 don't have a real case on me and are using their presence to get me mislynched.

It's fucking pathetic.

Well you don't have a case on them except for basically "lol you're playing bad" which is... wait it's not even a case.

[GuyInFreezer]

Added to that, "you have no case on me" just look like a bluffing to me and even if it isn't, it's a personal opinion at best.

I remember at least two reasons why ghaky stated why BRO is scum right on top of my head:

1. Needless prevention of my townread on varsoon
2. Reaction to my vote.

Of course, he could say that "that's not even a case and is utter bullshit", but the trap is that it's just a personal opinion, not a proven facts.

Accusation stands until it ks rebutted, and I haven't seen any rebuttal other than "you are full of shit."

[GuyInFreezer]

More about what

About that "paramore."

how quick GiF is to read me

I did focus on getting reads fast as possible as I said in the beginning.

Can you talk to me about bubba? I found his reasons to be voting Jessica good, but it was the best thing I recall from his play.

What do you like about Jessica? I'd want to see them wagoned if I didn't think we need to sort Ghatokaca-BRO here, actually.

Regarding bubba, it's just his general posting attitude mixed with meta. (We played qutie a games together outside of this site). Also, this is the meta I have quite a confidence on, so I don't really wanna out the specifics his meta, but one thing I can say is that town bubba tends to get frustrated a lot, has high ego, and strong conviction in general, regardless of what others tell him.

About Jessica, well first of all, I didn't like how some ppl wanted their slot wagoned when Able didn't even confirm his role. Second of all, marquis's posts gives the town-feel.

I've argued this with Marquis that just because he has the highest postcount and seems have a fetish with the Submit button doesn't mean he's conf town.

Something tells me that you haven't been reading my posts

you've fooled me at one point in the past.

Ever since your first game in this site

[GuyInFreezer]

1 i think you're town gif don't worry

2 notscience is scum please vote him i need you and your legion of towniness

1 <3
2 I will eventually once I get over this overly-large paranoia on nacho for some reason, but not D1.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also nacho wagon's not really a leading wagon since it's composed of RVS vote + paranoid vote + actual vote.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I haven't seen F-16 posting for a while :<

[GuyInFreezer]

There COULD be a scenario where Bro found nacho's 83 scummy hence the vote, but then if he did,

he would've voted him right there. Instead, the vote came for reason after post 83.

The only post between that and his cote is nacho's vote on BRO with no reasoning.

Why are you lying about game flow?

What exactly have I lied about the game flow?
Go look for yourself. There's your post commenting on nacho/f-16's 83, but there's no vote.
it implies that you didn't find him scummy enough to cast a vote on them.
And then you commented on my post, and then you proceeded to vote nacho.
Whatever you found scummy off of them, it must've been the posts after 83.
What's after the post 83? Nacho's vote.

[GuyInFreezer]

Didn't find that post*

[GuyInFreezer]

And I think it's about time we get a readlist out of BRO.

Ghatokaka scum.

One of you/Varsoon/X-dude scum.

Rest town.

That's like
calling half of the player list scum.
Cool.

[GuyInFreezer]

@penguin:stream-of-consciousness is something that would come more from... town, dontcha think?

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh.
I must've misunderstood your post then.

[GuyInFreezer]

In my experience BRO's the type of player who likes to take advantage of mechanics. I think scum-BRO could come up with a way to lead town down the garden path in a plan of action.

Not quite what you mean by "garden path."

[GuyInFreezer]

Not quite sure*

[GuyInFreezer]

All my posts are consecutive.

I know.

Would your opinion change if I'd written a wall instead of spam-posted?

Nope.

No?

No.

Congrats, you're lying about game flow.

[/quote]
Nope. It just means that your posts were consecutive, which is... what I based my theory on.

[GuyInFreezer]

In case my explanation sucked linguistic-wise, here's even more detailed explanation.

1.

Crumbs can help anyone. The problem is that now that we've talked about crumbs, scum can just comb for them. Not cool and stuff.

...Like they weren't anyways?

If you're scum in a setup where you're told "THERE ARE THIS MANY HIDERS," do you not fucking comb for crumbs?

2.

I disagree with the mass-claim idea. I think we should scumhunt normally during Day 1 and come up with plans to optimize role usage later on. The setup speculation is boring and I don't have any reads yet. I'll check with Nacho and re-read to see where he is at regarding the claims and our reads. I don't feel confident about any reads yet.

~ F-16

Comes into setup that's intended to be broken.

Says we shouldn't break setup.

...k?

3.

{BROseidon (Before this game starts, I gave myself some thinking time and thought about "If I was scum, which strategy would I convince town to pull it off?" Circular hiding is what I thought the scum would most likely to try to push. Hence my initial push. But then, I didn't read the specifics lol. Meh. Now all I have on him is some minor stuff like "meh I don't like how he's outright trying to discourage my varsoon townread".)}

So confbias.

Got it.

4.

VOTE: Ghatokaka I can't even...

Reading through 1~4 shows that you were catching up while you were reading. Agree? Cool. Moving on.

2 shows BRO commenting on Ghato's #83. As you can see, not much interest is shown in this post.

3 shows BRO commenting on my post, which is past #83. Still no vote on Ghato. This again proves he didn't had much interest/read regarding that post.

4 shows the vote on Ghato. The posts that Ghato made that was included in BRO's catchup session was post #83, post #99 (vote), and two fluffs. Since he didn't show interest in post #83, if he voted Ghato, it must be for... post #99.

Therefore, my point that the game state of two reactions were practically same (Vote w/o explanation.)

[GuyInFreezer]

b/c Ghatokaca is scum.

And as we can see, this is because Ghato was playing... bad.

The conviction is way to hostile and strong for something that's based on very weak reasoning.

Which is yet another reason I think BRO/Ghato is crossbussing. The BRO -> Ghato push doesn't make much sense.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Ghatokaka I can't even...

It's more like burden of proficiency. You're a strong enough player that you should be able to grasp theory points like setup breaking fairly easily, and the fact that you're discouraging it is indicative of you not putting forth your 100% town game. Which implies you're scum.

And discrediting is fun. You should try it.

What the hell does this even mean?

You're a competent player who shouldn't be fucking up basic theory.

VOTE: BRO
Why the push on Ghat?

Have you seen the bullshit he's trying to push?

It's worse than katsuki in Anything Goes.

And of course, BRO's constant hardcore discrediting/denouncing everything instead of proper rebuttal isn't helping him much either.

[GuyInFreezer]

eh disregard the quotes up there.

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF are you town

Not just town.
obvtown.

[GuyInFreezer]

@BRO: Since when did you scumread me?

[GuyInFreezer]

bc I'd prefer lynching you first if you're scum.

[GuyInFreezer]

[insert gambling pun here]

[GuyInFreezer]

then find a reason for me being scum

Then post more so I can get over this already.

[GuyInFreezer]

What did you learn from your exchange with notsci?

that he will hopefully step his shit up soon because his shit isn't very stepped up at all atm.
i don't think he's scum with BRO, though.

Calling it boring is implicitly bad theory game.

This isn't actually true: boring can mean that, but it can also mean "something that I have no interest in discussing at the moment".

I don't think he's scum because of the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of his plan. I don't think the effectiveness or the ineffectiveness of his plan is related to his alignment. Why do you disagree?

Why would scum-me endeavor to break a setup this ornate?

You didn't "endeavor" to break the setup. You made a half-assed attempt at it and offered a little setup speculation.
Do you really think that makes you town in any respect?

It's sad that Nacho/F-16 don't have a real case on me and are using their presence to get me mislynched.

It's fucking pathetic.

You're correct. I don't have a very long case on you.
I just have a very large scumread on you. Believe it or not, when you play with someone a lot of times you can occasionally form things like that.

Aside from you and GiF, I'm not sure who he'd be afraid of, and GiF's a guess. And no, I'm not being disingenuous by leaving myself off that list, given how thoroughly BRO snookered me in NY 165 and would have in bork's Mini Touhou.

All it takes is one person to call him out for bullshitting setup spec and he's sunk.
So again, why would he risk "leading town down the garden path" with false setup spec when he could instead fake setup spec for towncred? What do you think of BRO implying that he wouldn't attempt to "break" the game as scum?

Aside from you and GiF, I'm not sure who he'd be afraid of, and GiF's a guess. And no, I'm not being disingenuous by leaving myself off that list, given how thoroughly BRO snookered me in NY 165 and would have in bork's Mini Touhou.

What about the issue of the order of his engaging with you and F-16?

And I think he might be doing so again!
You still haven't really provided anything close to convincing on why BRO isn't scum this game.

I don't get your question.

Not sure what to think about Bro.

Can't read the hydras for nuts.

So you're not even going to try?

So BRO flips scum. Who's his buddy according to the current status?

[GuyInFreezer]

Nope. It just means that your posts were consecutive, which is... what I based my theory on.

You're saying that it's scummy that I didn't vote after 83

Actually that was me explaining that the game state was similar.
Which I used to explain my theory on interaction difference.

My actual reasoning of you-scum is something else.

Nice try though

[GuyInFreezer]

@BRO: Since when did you scumread me?

When have I not been scum reading you.

{BROseidon (Before this game starts, I gave myself some thinking time and thought about "If I was scum, which strategy would I convince town to pull it off?" Circular hiding is what I thought the scum would most likely to try to push. Hence my initial push. But then, I didn't read the specifics lol. Meh. Now all I have on him is some minor stuff like "meh I don't like how he's outright trying to discourage my varsoon townread".)}

So confbias.

Got it.

Then this must be a scumslip!

[GuyInFreezer]

COME ON GIF I FUCKING DARE YOU.

HAMMER ME.

SCUMCLAIM.

LET IT GO DAMMIT.

VOTE: BROseidon

Hammer!

[GuyInFreezer]

Wherever my heart may lead I will follow

VOTE: Xay

[GuyInFreezer]

Nah I don't feel it.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't like how GiF just hammered Bro without hesitation though. Though I doubt scum would do something that dumb, I'll call it scummy.

First of all, he dared me, so I called his bluff.
Also if you doubt that scum would do such "dumb" thing... [insert obvious conclusion here]

[GuyInFreezer]

I was pointing out the flaw in his logic. The one about "that's what scum wouldn't do" was from Xay, not me.

Also, I was readjusting my readlist right now anyway so wait a bit.

[GuyInFreezer]

Updated readlist.

Town
GIF (obvtown ♫),

BROseidon

,

bubbajack8

Varsoon (His #18 says it all, plus the "stubborness")

Townish
- notscience (For now. This will change based on his posts in the future.)
- Ghato (At least the paranoia about him being with scum with BRO is gone.)

Null (Now called PoE list, in order of town -> scum)

- penguin_alien (The lingering thoughts of "this girl is just parroting stuffs" is not leaving my minds, to be quite honest. I guess this read is more of a relational read.)

- Jessica (Kat just outright screaming "GIF IS NULL EVEN THOUGH HE'S POSTY" was just . The way they call notsci scum is also but that's not necessarily scummy. Otherwise, I kinda like their posts.)

- Xayzeck (#44. I just like the mindset there. Of course, it's easy to fake but hey it's only page 4 and it's enough to put him in null-town right now -> It's not enough now to put him in townpile anymore. Also, I wish he was more active.

[GuyInFreezer]

And I don't like my readlist, because my readlist is calling Xay/Jessica scumteam and... I don't like Jessica as scum right now.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh wait. The name switched. Hold on a sec.

Updated readlist.

Town
GIF (obvtown ♫), BROseidon, bubbajack8 Varsoon (His #18 says it all, plus the "stubborness")

Townish
- notscience (For now. This will change based on his posts in the future.)
- penguin_alien (The lingering thoughts of "this girl is just parroting stuffs" is not leaving my minds, to be quite honest. I guess this read is more of a relational read.)

Null (Now called PoE list, in order of town -> scum)

- Ghato (At least the paranoia about him being with scum with BRO is gone.)

- Jessica (Kat just outright screaming "GIF IS NULL EVEN THOUGH HE'S POSTY" was just . The way they call notsci scum is also but that's not necessarily scummy. Otherwise, I kinda like their posts.)

- Xayzeck (#44. I just like the mindset there. Of course, it's easy to fake but hey it's only page 4 and it's enough to put him in null-town right now -> It's not enough now to put him in townpile anymore. Also, I wish he was more active.

There you go.

[GuyInFreezer]

What outburst?
Just doesn't look that way now that BRO flipped town. Since scum has daychat, I thought their back-and-forth could be planned bussing, but now that BRO flipped town, it just doesn't look that way.
If my posts contains no grammatical error, I'm fake.
Damn. Can I fakeclaim PGO then?

[GuyInFreezer]

Also, slight LA until further notice bc snow is making my internet unstable

[GuyInFreezer]

ok then

VOTE: notscience

- m

Wherever my heart may lead I will follow

VOTE: Xay

VOTE: Ghato

I can't do ISOs right now, I'm putting my vote back where it was for now. If you have questions for me I'll get to them in about 12 hours.

I think scum were expecting the hiders not to hide, since it's pretty established already that hiding only helps scum. And of all the people, bubba?

I don't like how GiF just hammered Bro without hesitation though. Though I doubt scum would do something that dumb, I'll call it scummy.

VOTE: GiF

Within 20 posts of each other, first three within half an hour of each other.

Doesn't bother me much. It looks quite natural to me.

[GuyInFreezer]

Still think V's town.

[GuyInFreezer]

Hey I have a question.

If you happen to be scum with Xay, how would your N1 play go?

[GuyInFreezer]

The whole night action plan. Who would commute, who would kill whom, etc

[GuyInFreezer]

I see.

[GuyInFreezer]

Dat hammer so quick

[GuyInFreezer]

History rrpeats itself

[GuyInFreezer]

It is a good day to die... wait I'm already dead.
/bah

[GuyInFreezer]

Sorry GiF und Bro.

It's ok.
Now "GIF can read Varsoon" chain is broken and I can do whatever the hell I want to do with you (when I roll scum)!

[GuyInFreezer]

History rrpeats itself

Wait what

That was my crumb that I was gonna hide behind the same target. (If Xay flipped scum)

[GuyInFreezer]

Let's go for his head when we play together again