NY 171: An Education in Telling Jokes (Game Over!)

[Ythan]

OGML + serrapaladin's posts are why.

[Zekrom25]

Please let VT's live

[Marquis]

Omfg just ban him already

[Zekrom25]

Mod: I Forgot that i was lynched SORRY

[Green Crayons]

I really don't remember much except I wanted to do this.

VOTE: Ythan

I need to do some sort of reread.

[Yates]

Are all these posts going to be overwritten when the site is restored this weekend?

[pisskop]

no.^^^

So,

vote: Marquis

[Nikanor]

I'm here, men. Will be voting evilpacman18 later tonight, after work.

[Green Crayons]

I'm here, men. Will be voting evilpacman18 later tonight, after work.

I remember also thinking that this was a good idea. I forget if I posted about it today, though.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: sera

[Elyse]

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

[Marquis]

VOTE: evilpacman

[Nikanor]

guys, this isn't assassins in the palace. you CAN give reasoning for your votes.

[Ythan]

I really don't remember much except I wanted to do this.

VOTE: Ythan

I need to do some sort of reread.

Clearly.

[evilpacman18]

oh we're back in action. Nikanor I'm still looking forward to your case on me.

vote: pisskop

[Nikanor]

Spoiler:

Not really feeling UT trying to start up a town block (jokingly or not) and also going for tman2nd, obvious mislynch bait and Marquis is disturbingly happy to follow. I'm already not reading them as scum together though. demanding answers over and over again is town.

UT's vote and post spoken about here was in post 35. a) I'm not sure how many players in this game could not be considered "obvious mislynch bait", but the number's gotta be in the single digits. b) It's post 35! Nearly 200 posts before this one of evilpacman's. Give me a break. Going after "obvious mislynch bait" at that point means nothing.

Gooner is kinda preachy, not really a good thing, especially since his vote on GC (who I'm biased for because I liked that intro post I guess) is basically a misunderstanding of why zekrom was being voted. He fails to follow his own advice on clear, reasoned reads and votes.

Meh... this is a really weak and bad attack. Would not expect a town player whose first post is #219 to pick this needle out of that haystack. This whole post just looks

Marquis is definitely town, sorry about that initial misread. mollie's not scum also, dunno if I've discussed this in the above. Elyse vs. mollie is town/town, pretty easy to see just based on the responsiveness to each other in the little back-and-forths.
fwiw, I think Former always makes too many "content coming" posts and such. he's weirdly belligerent about it here though, that's new.[/quote]

Evilpacman, that's really cool that your location is my hometown, awesome! Are you an APU or Citrus student, by the way?

I go to APU!

btw the video in 300 is frikkin hilarious

Sorry, I had a really busy week that's finally over. I just read up, I need to go back again for details I'm definitely leaning towards Deathnote, Gooner, zekrom scum. Possibly UT though I don't see him buddying Deathnote and/or zekrom.

About zekrom, tman, pisskop, and RC, we have (or had, tman and pisskop are doing better now) four people acting like noobs and being essentially unreadable, earlier in the game I would've pegged pisskop for scum ahead of zekrom. Not really anymore though, barring a convincing full-claim after that ridiculous softclaim (that I'm inclined not to believe just based on "at least one night").

Have to look at Elyse again but I was reading her as town I think.

oh wait I didn't even finish that thought in the middle paragraph. Basically I was gonna say it's some fake scum shit that zekrom is the only one drawing votes when the four of those were sucking it up real hard, but idk anymore since he's probably actually scum.

psst epm I'm voting DN right now and was voting zekrom before I wasn't buddying them. did you even read the game?

Sorry I must have spaced out, I meant I didn't see you being scum with them because of your pushing both of them.
And about Gooner, I think GC saw some stuff about UT's early game in that post that I agreed with, so I liked it even though it was succinct.

Welp that's a scum claim/confirmation of UT town

vote: Zekrom

Prod dodge for now, be back in a couple hours to post.

unvote

Jesus. Remind me never to play two games again. Catching up.

read the last 10 pages. sthar caught my attention.

I don't like sthar. He posted a read list "in the interest of transparency" meaning he's more concerned with peoples' perceptions of him than posting reads because they convict him into lynching/defending certain people, etc.
Also he's got like a third of the playerlist chalked up to VI (including myself, which I can't remember playing with him but whatever) which normally indicates a town read (it is a VILLAGE idiot, after all), but in the case of someone like fish, who he says he doesn't really believe the claim, meaning he's reading him as scum, it's either a mislabeled null-read or intentional dissonance. Either way, his dismissal of so many players as VI is some indication that, again, he's more interested in looking actively engaged than being so. zekrom's 959 is more typically dull posting from him but I think he accidentally tripped over the discovery that sthar doesn't actually have much at all and for a full playerlist reads post, it leaves me at least still quite unsure of what sthar thinks.

Oh well in 987 sthar specifically says "VI is not a read"
well
1. yes it is (it is a VILLAGE idiot, after all)
2. so you completely avoided posting reads in your read list

it's interesting who fell for those posts and started town reading you when they're both terrible too. Maybe some scumbuddies in there, who knows

I'm going to sleep, it's 4:30AM but I had a few other people I was gonna look into. Needa figure out UT, not reading Deathnote as scum so much anymore and zekrom will sort itself out so my UT read isn't as bound to association tells, have to re-evaluate. Don't like Gooner. or pisskop a little

Lots of townreads too:
Marquis, mollie, elyse, nikanor, ythan, RC, Yates, Fish, GC, PV...

good night

vote: sthar

vig: pisskop

Well this has sorted itself out nicely, like I figured. I'll be voting zekrom whenever people are ready.
It's kind of hard to figure out alignments when people are just voting confirmed scum.
Actually yeah that makes me kind of want to end today, idk what talking can be done now that can't be done more effectively once we have lynched scum and a night kill or two.
I wouldn't think for a second that there's two one shot vigs

vote: zekrom

unvote

I hope nobody still thinks Marquis is scum

oh we're back in action. Nikanor I'm still looking forward to your case on me.

vote: pisskop

[Nikanor]

Fucking cat somehow found the big bad SUBMIT button. AGH, annoying.

@Mod: Can you spoiler that post please, to clean up some thread clutter?

[Nikanor]

Honestly, the one thing that got me looking at evilpacman18 was this:

I don't like sthar. He posted a read list "in the interest of transparency" meaning he's more concerned with peoples' perceptions of him than posting reads because they convict him into lynching/defending certain people, etc.
Also he's got like a third of the playerlist chalked up to VI (including myself, which I can't remember playing with him but whatever) which normally indicates a town read (it is a VILLAGE idiot, after all), but in the case of someone like fish, who he says he doesn't really believe the claim, meaning he's reading him as scum, it's either a mislabeled null-read or intentional dissonance. Either way, his dismissal of so many players as VI is some indication that, again, he's more interested in looking actively engaged than being so. zekrom's 959 is more typically dull posting from him but I think he accidentally tripped over the discovery that sthar doesn't actually have much at all and for a full playerlist reads post, it leaves me at least still quite unsure of what sthar thinks.

This post is written at a time when sthar is already taking a lot of heat, but only has three votes on him. And the entire post is bullshit! "Intentional dissonance," REALLY? evilpacman18 doesn't even vote sthar until two other people hop on the wagon, making this post even worse, since sthar didn't post a single thing in that time.

[Nikanor]

It really looks like epm is scum who didn't want to commit to the sthar wagon until it gained traction.

Vote: evilpacman18.

[pirate mollie]

guys, this isn't assassins in the palace. you CAN give reasoning for your votes.

I will answer this real quick.

it has to do with perception and masking/mimicking that allows them to recreate and blend in.

sera has seen my scum game so I would expect him to be all like "ARGGGGGHHHHHH MOLLIE IS SCUM FUCKING LYNCH HER!!1!" but his push was weak especially since there was no appetite for it and this:

Watch him flip town...

without providing an alternative feels hollow. plus cabd had him as scum and cabd is a player that I respect so part of it also is sheeping his dead read.

it might not be the best but it is what I am going with for now altho I am gonna look at the vote jumps after zekrom scumclaimed (now that I am free of cabd paranoia) cos that would be a good time to bus.

[Nikanor]

I'd really recommend looking at evilpacman18's iso (shown above) for examples of scum-scum interactions with Zekrom.

[Nikanor]

I looked at serra's iso, and his first two posts (the vote and unvote of Zekrom) look legit to me? No idea why he'd jump off the Zekrom wagon when it was clear that he was going to be lynched.
I'd love to see his reasoning for the Yates vote tho

[evilpacman18]

This is like the time I was town and you tried to have me lynched for using the word "appeal" and then I was right and won the game.

[Malakittens]

Honestly, the one thing that got me looking at evilpacman18 was this:

I don't like sthar. He posted a read list "in the interest of transparency" meaning he's more concerned with peoples' perceptions of him than posting reads because they convict him into lynching/defending certain people, etc.
Also he's got like a third of the playerlist chalked up to VI (including myself, which I can't remember playing with him but whatever) which normally indicates a town read (it is a VILLAGE idiot, after all), but in the case of someone like fish, who he says he doesn't really believe the claim, meaning he's reading him as scum, it's either a mislabeled null-read or intentional dissonance. Either way, his dismissal of so many players as VI is some indication that, again, he's more interested in looking actively engaged than being so. zekrom's 959 is more typically dull posting from him but I think he accidentally tripped over the discovery that sthar doesn't actually have much at all and for a full playerlist reads post, it leaves me at least still quite unsure of what sthar thinks.

This post is written at a time when sthar is already taking a lot of heat, but only has three votes on him. And the entire post is bullshit! "Intentional dissonance," REALLY? evilpacman18 doesn't even vote sthar until two other people hop on the wagon, making this post even worse, since sthar didn't post a single thing in that time.

VOTE: NIK

last time someone said 'honestly' during a post they were scum. Sayin 'honestly' is a classic scum tell because if you were already honest about it you didn't need to emphasize honestly

[RadiantCowbells]

Malak is correct.