Mini 1556: Greetings Without Spain (GAME OVER FAREWELL)

[Kthxbye]

Wouldn't the "hammer" have given good info had he flipped town?

[Xayzeck]

Wouldn't the "hammer" have given good info had he flipped town?

Yeah, but letting the day play out and not ending it page 2 so that we'd have better reads on the rest of the playe list would good too, no?

[Lucresia]

I've done a few read-throughs of the thread and here are some observations I have as well as some responses to some of the posts.

eh.. i dot want this wagon to move to fast... espescially with so few people having posted... but eh L-3 seems safe enough... gonna hop off if a tries to go off thoo.

This post doesn't feel right and I am smelling another motive. Your words sound like you want to be in a "safe" spot on a bandwagon, then jump off at the right moment to avoid suspicion. This SCREAMS scum to me. You are already planning on jumping off the bandwagon when it gets high already, is that because you know pisskop's alignment to actually be town? Hmm.

kcd is most likely town atm btw

Care to explain further?

VOTE: Aisa
Comment.

Ummm..what?

oh...

oh hooooooo

you

are so dying before this game is over.

Is this a threat or something?

Wouldn't the "hammer" have given good info had he flipped town?

It would have...but only if we had more time already passed on day 1. We need to gather as much information as we can before the night hits.

Okay some more thoughts:
1. Kthxbye - His posts indicate actual scum hunting and helping us gather vital information on day 1. High probability of town.
2. pisskop - Explaining an rvs vote does seem scummy to me. Also, I don't like his explanation about just being "derpy". It doesn't suddenly give you credibility.
3. kcda - Most of your posts are making my brain hurt trying to read them. The few that made any sense seemed scummy (see above.)
4. Xay - As someone who also keeps up on the thread via her phone when I can throughout the day, I know how it is to come back home and find that a bandwagon blew up from scum and a townie is dead. I can understand retracting the vote if you thought we were 5 to lynch, for this reason.

Vote: kcdaspot

FOS: Aisa, pisskop, & ika

[Kthxbye]

Thank you Luc for joining the game with a non-tarded post.

I like where you're head is at for the most part. I did however notice you completely left d3x out of the post. Why is that? What's your read on him atm. I know it's a bit to ask page 3, but give it a go plox.

As for the vote on Kcd. I understand where it's coming from but what are your thoughts on him poss being VI over scum?

[d3x]

Thoughts

piss's page 1 feels really forced. Scummy? Sure. Scum? Maybe.

Opposite ways of going about re-RVS. Opposite ways of going about it could lead to opposite thought processes. Opposite thought processes could lead to opposite alignments. Opposite alignments leads to him being scum.

This feels a bit ike a stretch, but not out of the realm of possibility for your Town game.

VOTE: Aisa
Comment.

Do you often SelfVote? If not, why here? Do you not see merit in the conversation that is taking place? If you agree with kcd that piss is Scum, where's your Vote on him?

I think ts just overaggression.

Apparently they haven't read my meta. Im rather derpy, yea

So you're TownReading everyone pointing at you? Why do you have nothing to bring to the discussion?

Aisa: This makes my brain hurt and needs to be explained ASAP.

You selfVote all the time. Why does this make your brain hurt?

d3x: What are your thoughts so far? Need you to get some more posts in so I know if you're town or scum.

Umm... what? What does this give you? Do you not think that I'm going to post more? It had been ~12hrs since the board opened and I'd posted 5 times. What more do you want? This feels like needless posturing, but again... I feel this is not outside of Kthx's Town game. Annoying as balls, but not scummy.

It's up to you to decide if it's alignment indicative for this game.

Why would you even include something like this?

piss's

probtown for pushing the game forward, but his posts feel really derpy to me. That's just a feeling though.

How exactly is piss 'pushing the game forward'? As far as I can tell, he's catching flak and vaguely answering questions half asked to him. What would you say was his greatest contribution towards the game moving forward?

Summation

Vote:piss

Kthx- Get back here. I don't think we should be done with this Wagon just yet.

[Xayzeck]

I was not talking about piss in 49. Don't put words into my mouth.

VOTE: d3x

[d3x]

I'm not putting words into your mouth. It's unclear you're talking about kcd as the context suggests piss...

I joined the game to play with pkop, and if he got lynched that'd suck. He's probtown for pushing the game forward, but his posts feel really derpy to me. That's just a feeling though.

Before this you're talking about kcd, but then you switch to piss.

[Xayzeck]

Well I was talking about kcd. You're still not quoting the whole sentence btw.

[Kthxbye]

@d3x: First, I self vote when my wagon is high and I want to make VCA easier for the town later on. Second, my call for you to post is all a part of me getting a read on you, which is important. Third, fine, though I'm not happy with the hop off the wagon by Xay, it will be telling after a flip. Plus, his explanation could be coming from town.

VOTE: PK

Xay: I had to read it more than once to see that you were talking about Kcd as well. Another question comes to mind though. I'm rl friends with d3x and we joined this game 'together' as well. That said, I have no problem lynching his punk ass D1 if I thought he pulled scum. Why do you care about lynching your bro if he's scum...unless you're scum with him of course....

[d3x]

You are correct. I quoted the portion where you were specifically talking about piss. Since there is a transition 1/2way through the sentence/post, the last half sounds like you've swapped and are solely talking about piss and that's all that matters to this discussion. I now know you were talking about kcd the whole time and just poorly used pronouns, but that doesn't change the point.

[Xayzeck]

You are correct. I quoted the portion where you were specifically talking about piss. Since there is a transition 1/2way through the sentence/post, the last half sounds like you've swapped and are solely talking about piss and that's all that matters to this discussion. I now know you were talking about kcd the whole time and just poorly used pronouns, but that doesn't change the point.

kcd was poking and questioning a lot of stuff. The feeling I get from his posts is that he's kinda whacking away and feels like he's not really taking the game super seriously, but he has spurred activity with his posts. That's what I meant when I said he was pushing the game. I don't see any scum motivation from his actions so far, so he's probtown for now.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Lord (1): Konowa
Piss (4): ika, Kcda, d3x, Kthx
Xay (1): Piss
ICE (1): Lord
Aisa (1): Aisa
Kcda (1): Luca
d3x (1): Xay

Not Voting (3): TrevorP, ICEninja

12 alive, 7 to lynch

[Kcdaspot]

Please scum, PLEASE NK this guy early.

[Kcdaspot]

Is this a threat or something?

Yes it is. I'm lynching him before the game is over.

[Kcdaspot]

TrevorP, ICEninja, Konowa

peeps we need to hear from before the day is over BTW.

i am not allowing ANY LYNCH before everyone posts.

i've been there bro... not fun

[Kcdaspot]

also. i called d3x scum to see if the pot boiled. luckily it didnt need that in the first place.

d3x isnt scum wtflol

[Kthxbye]

...Too hard to tell VI from scum.....

You are correct. I quoted the portion where you were specifically talking about piss. Since there is a transition 1/2way through the sentence/post, the last half sounds like you've swapped and are solely talking about piss and that's all that matters to this discussion. I now know you were talking about kcd the whole time and just poorly used pronouns, but that doesn't change the point.

kcd was poking and questioning a lot of stuff. The feeling I get from his posts is that he's kinda whacking away and feels like he's not really taking the game super seriously, but he has spurred activity with his posts. That's what I meant when I said he was pushing the game. I don't see any scum motivation from his actions so far, so he's probtown for now.

Xay: please list the posts in which you think Kcd was "poking and questioning a lot of stuff". Hell, the only reason he's spurring any activity is because his posting is too scummy to actually be scum and I feel the need to call him out on it. But, again, before I lump you into the VI club with him, I'd like to see where you think he is pushing the game.

Is this a threat or something?

Yes it is. I'm lynching him before the game is over.

Why? You haven't explained why you think I'm scum or given a case on ANYONE at this point. You just go around blessing people as town or scum or trying some tarded gambit and backing out when called on it. Example of this below.

TrevorP, ICEninja, Konowa

peeps we need to hear from before the day is over BTW.

i am not allowing ANY LYNCH before everyone posts.

i've been there bro... not fun

but....but...but.....this game is too easy and you've already caught all 3 scum....why wouldn't you want to quick lynch all 3? Hell, you've already promised you were gonna kill me this game (which oddly changed to get me lynched when called out on it).

also. i called d3x scum to see if the pot boiled. luckily it didnt need that in the first place.

d3x isnt scum wtflol

orly?! d3x isn't scum? How do you know this exactly?

Kcd:

CASES CASES CASES. QUIT TALKING OUT YOUR ASS.

[pisskop]

Look at it this way, I didn't RVS you first again this go around and didn't feel a need to address it when I didn't do it. Opposite ways of going about re-RVS. Opposite ways of going about it could lead to opposite thought processes. Opposite thought processes could lead to opposite alignments. Opposite alignments leads to him being scum.

[pisskop]

^^

nice overanalyzing. IGMEOY

^^

My overall reaction to the above quote. Translated to me sounds like Wifom.

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Okay, so I recognize that explaining a prior vote in RVS is unusual. I was trying to make a nod to ika while poking a Xay. As you can see, we're like superbffs.

[pisskop]

So you're TownReading everyone pointing at you? Why do you have nothing to bring to the discussion?

As far as reads, I don't think I have much to go off. :/

VOTE: Aisa
Comment.

This would be the most standout thing around. A self-vote in the grey area between RVS and early game. I would say that rather then expecting us to comment upon her, she is say 'comment' as in 'here is a comment'.

If I had to pick out a scum from everyone who commented upon my interactions I would pick Xay; for his defense for me. Scum Xay could be pretending to avoid a quickhammer as a way to gain towncredit early.

[d3x]

@X p60- Why are you continuing this conversation? I don't care about this stance in regards to kcd. I was interested in this stance regarding piss, and you've cleared it up. Do you think that my clipping of your statement for the sake of the discussion is/was scummy?

@Kthx- Your normal early game obvTown play and kcd's play thus far haven't been too far apart from each other. You tend to jump around and poke fun all in the name of getting activity spurred. It's funny to see you react so strongly to what I have come to view as your usual play.

As far as reads, I don't think I have much to go off.

You don't see anything that's been said in the last 3 pages as alignment indicative or even leaning? What do you normally do to gain reads? Do you feel like you've been contributing/accomplishing that here? Have you fully read the thread?

If I had to pick out a scum from everyone who commented upon my interactions I would pick Xay; for his defense for me.

So your RVS is now a legit Vote? Earlier you've described your play as 'derpy', is it always this passive?

@X- Do you feel that this is Townpiss? Why/why not? Is he a 'stand on the sidelines' kind of player? Does he ever ScumHunt as Town? As Scum?

[Kcdaspot]

but....but...but.....this game is too easy and you've already caught all 3 scum....why wouldn't you want to quick lynch all 3? Hell, you've already promised you were gonna kill me this game (which oddly changed to get me lynched when called out on it).

I can be wrong.

and i actually want to hear from ICE first before going truly bat shit (thats right: this isnt even my final form.)

having a crazed focus yet an open mind is how i do shit.

BEE TEE DUBS, yes you are gonna be lynched too, D2 count on it.

[Kcdaspot]

also: a case? on page 3?

AHAHAHAHASHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
no

[Aisa]

VOTE: Aisa
Comment.

Do you often SelfVote? If not, why here? Do you not see merit in the conversation that is taking place? If you agree with kcd that piss is Scum, where's your Vote on him?

Well, the number of games I played is too low to be statistically significant.
But no, I never selfvoted before. I didn't want to put PK at L-2 that early, and with a quick look I didn't find anything else scummy. A vote on anyone else would have been almost completely random, so I chose myself. Ideally, I would have gotten a reaction or two out of that. "Comment" as in "Discuss". Sorry, I couldn't come up with a less ambiguous word.

Yet with all that (which I could spend pages picking apart and explaining how it could be from scum, is contradictory, etc), Kcd looks more VT than scum to me atm.

oh...

oh hooooooo

you

are so dying before this game is over.

Care to explain why?

Also, pkop and I will probably buddy quite a bit this game, because we chose to join together. It's up to you to decide if it's alignment indicative for this game.

OH THE COACHING

LOOK

MY GOD THIS IS SO EASY ITS SILLY.

Don't you think something like this may be relative?

kcd is most likely town atm btw

What was the purpose of this? It seems pointless filler to me. Your other posts aren't that exceptional either.

VOTE: Aisa
Comment.

This would be the most standout thing around. A self-vote in the grey area between RVS and early game. I would say that rather then expecting us to comment upon her, she is say 'comment' as in 'here is a comment'.

If I had to pick out a scum from everyone who commented upon my interactions I would pick Xay; for his defense for me. Scum Xay could be pretending to avoid a quickhammer as a way to gain towncredit early.

In what way did my post stand out to you? Do you think it is scummy?

If I had to pick out a scum from everyone who commented upon my interactions I would pick Xay; for his defense for me. Scum Xay could be pretending to avoid a quickhammer as a way to gain towncredit early.

"X did Y to gain towncred" is applicable to a lot things.
Is this outside of Xay's normal town meta?

VOTE: Ika

Fos: Pisskop

For now.

[d3x]

@Aisa- Why woudn't you want piss at L-2 that early? I can understand L-1, but 2 derpVotes is a lot more rare than 1 derpHammer. What are your thoughts on X? Specifically this part...

Also, pkop and I will probably buddy quite a bit this game, because we chose to join together. It's up to you to decide if it's alignment indicative for this game.

Why do you think he felt it nesseccary to put the part regarding alignment?