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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:24 pm

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Tiershift, can you link me to a couple of your town and scum games?
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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:27 pm

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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:27 pm

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Never mind. Found them.
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:37 pm

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In post 5, TierShift wrote:Yeehawwww, town for a change.

HOW ABOUT CAPSLOCK AVOCADO?

VOTE: tiershift

Crossvote already gm and grey.
ilu tier, sorry u r maf n such
In post 12, TierShift wrote:So, are we gonna majority FoS or just let the groups decide for themselves? I'd prefer the latter.
Why do you prefer the latter?
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:38 pm

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In post 23, TierShift wrote:I'm purposely townslipping, duh.

No, I missed that part on my first read. I see 'test private threads' and '3 groups of 3'. Now let's stop discussing this.

Midget, there's no need to fear a quickhammer, since it only ends when all 3 groups have hammered and until then you can change votes.
I am curious, what would you rather discuss instead?
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:50 pm

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I'd rather discuss something that's not trivial.
In post 28, goodmorning wrote: ilu tier, sorry u r maf n such
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In post 12, TierShift wrote:So, are we gonna majority FoS or just let the groups decide for themselves? I'd prefer the latter.
Why do you prefer the latter?
Eh, I came here to play LyLo's, guess this doesn't really work that way though.
I'd prefer it because I'm damn sure I'll trust my gut over other people's opinions when it really gets to it. I won't vote for who people want me to nor will I really expect others to do that.

So gm, waddaja think of blackfish so far?
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:51 pm

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Oh! Thanks Tiershift. In that case I'll VOTE: Who because I'm a fair guy who thinks everyone who isn't me should be voted for! :D
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:56 pm

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LeMidget, why no comment on the discussion between me and Tiershift?
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:16 pm

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I dunno. Would you like a comment on it?
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:20 pm

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Yeah, I'd like to know what you think. Why RVS vote when plenty of discussion has taken place?
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:23 pm

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I agree with Tiershift. It's an easy mistake to make. I'm going to assume zoraster is using it for scum and dead. I don't think there's anything behind it.
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:24 pm

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And I wouldn't call the start of page 2 "plenty of discussion" either.
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:40 pm

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In post 30, TierShift wrote:
In post 28, goodmorning wrote:
In post 12, TierShift wrote:So, are we gonna majority FoS or just let the groups decide for themselves? I'd prefer the latter.
Why do you prefer the latter?
Eh, I came here to play LyLo's, guess this doesn't really work that way though.
I'd prefer it because I'm damn sure I'll trust my gut over other people's opinions when it really gets to it. I won't vote for who people want me to nor will I really expect others to do that.
I see what you mean but for me, I kinda want to have all the information possible. I know I'm not infallible, and maybe someone else here can read someone better than I can.
So gm, waddaja think of blackfish so far?
Up to my last post I thought Town. Now? This continued pushing is a little aggressive, and I'm not really sure whether that's playstyle or something more sinister. It's also a little weird that he's focused on LM's not commenting on it and didn't mention that I didn't.
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:52 pm

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In post 24, Blackfish wrote:
In post 15, Who wrote:It's the fishes.
VOTE: Blackfish

Why would you assume that they are only for scum when the nature of the game (Town being divided into groups) implies that it could be for town as well?
Nothing about the nature of the game suggested that the three groups would have private communication. As far as I understood it, the group divisions are made solely for voting purposes and to help town with POE, with group members only being able to vote for themselves and town getting 2 confirmed townies when a mafia member is lynched. This I believe to counteract the mountainous effect of the game and provide a mechanic to help town in the absence of power roles. I assumed scum use the private threads instead of having a scum QT since that's what the OP implied. I am not following why I should think that the game implies town have private communication.
I'm not saying it should be assumed, I'm merely saying it is an easy mistake to make. Also, why would scum be stupid enough to ask publicly?
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:26 pm

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I wanna call Blackfish's overt pushing more town. Pushing out of the RVS I find is always good and gets discussion going, which is clearly has.

I'm also more inclined to believe TR's question was more meaningless due to the vague opening post. But I do think it would be an interesting mechanic to have this same game set-up but the three groups isolated until Day 2.

Is it possible to vote for no lynch in a group?
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:11 pm

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1. If that was directed at the mod, it should be bolded. If it was directed at the other players, why would we know more than you do? Because...
2. Reading the rules is good.
In post 2, zoraster wrote:Day 1 End and Lynching
3. If a group does NOT pick a player to lynch by the deadline, the Mafia will choose who within that group is to be lynched.

After Day 1
4. Town may select No Lynch at this point. Reaching deadline will no lynch.
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:36 pm

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Okay, Mr. Grumpy-Grumps.
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:46 pm

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In post 39, BipolarChemist wrote:I wanna call Blackfish's overt pushing more town. Pushing out of the RVS I find is always good and gets discussion going, which is clearly has.
This is an interesting thing to say.
Is it possible to vote for no lynch in a group?
Why did you ask this question? Like, I want to know where your head was at. The reason I phrased that colloquially is because I am not attaching any value judgement to my question. I genuinely want to know.
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:04 pm

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In post 38, Who wrote:
In post 24, Blackfish wrote:
In post 15, Who wrote:It's the fishes.
VOTE: Blackfish

Why would you assume that they are only for scum when the nature of the game (Town being divided into groups) implies that it could be for town as well?
Nothing about the nature of the game suggested that the three groups would have private communication. As far as I understood it, the group divisions are made solely for voting purposes and to help town with POE, with group members only being able to vote for themselves and town getting 2 confirmed townies when a mafia member is lynched. This I believe to counteract the mountainous effect of the game and provide a mechanic to help town in the absence of power roles. I assumed scum use the private threads instead of having a scum QT since that's what the OP implied. I am not following why I should think that the game implies town have private communication.
I'm not saying it should be assumed, I'm merely saying it is an easy mistake to make. Also, why would scum be stupid enough to ask publicly?
Scum are obviously not stupid enough to ask publicly why they haven't received their QT links and Tiershift asking for it was either a towntell (or a fake one). I wasn't sure enough which so I pushed him to see if he reacted in an alignment revealing way. His response was a little sarcastic and dismissive which bothered me so I checked to see if it was alignment indicative for him to react that way in his other games and found nothing. I have a slight town lean based on his trying to shut down the discussion but it is not strong.

As for your post, why did you jump in and answer for Tiershift before he had a chance to respond himself?
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:07 pm

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In post 37, goodmorning wrote:Up to my last post I thought Town. Now? This continued pushing is a little aggressive, and I'm not really sure whether that's playstyle or something more sinister. It's also a little weird that he's focused on LM's not commenting on it and didn't mention that I didn't.
Why did you find it weird?

I focused on LM because he RVS voted as if there was nothing better to discuss while ignoring the discussion that
had
taken place. Your posts came across as prioritizing your own scumhunting of Tiershift by asking him why he wanted the groups to discuss among themselves as opposed to majority decisions.
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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:10 pm

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In post 39, BipolarChemist wrote:I wanna call Blackfish's overt pushing more town. Pushing out of the RVS I find is always good and gets discussion going, which is clearly has.
The phrasing of this post is odd. You "wanna" call my overt pushing more town? What does that mean? Does it mean that you want to but can't?
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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:11 pm

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In post 42, goodmorning wrote: Why did you ask this question? Like, I want to know where your head was at. The reason I phrased that colloquially is because I am not attaching any value judgement to my question. I genuinely want to know.
I guess curiosity. Never seen this set-up and I wanted to know and I thought the mod or other players would know better. Must have skimmed over it in the rules.
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:14 pm

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In post 45, Blackfish wrote:
In post 39, BipolarChemist wrote:I wanna call Blackfish's overt pushing more town. Pushing out of the RVS I find is always good and gets discussion going, which is clearly has.
The phrasing of this post is odd. You "wanna" call my overt pushing more town? What does that mean? Does it mean that you want to but can't?
It means I'm leaning more town on your pushing, but I'm not willing to say you're on my town list or anything.
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:14 pm

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In post 6, TierShift wrote:Wait why did I confuse redcoyote with greyice
Don't let Grey hear you say that.

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goodmorning 37 wrote: Up to my last post I thought Town. Now? This continued pushing is a little aggressive, and I'm not really sure whether that's playstyle or something more sinister. It's also a little weird that he's focused on LM's not commenting on it and didn't mention that I didn't.
I can see this, but I also get a, like, none-of-my-business vibe, you know? I'm still trying to work all the details out in my head. So, like, we know that there cannot be two scum in one group. That means that if we leave all three groups as separate entities, we know for a fact that the two scum cannot work together to influence the entire game. Do you get where I am going?
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:16 pm

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To be clear, I am proposing we more or less completely leave out cross group discussion until D2 and let each group kind of decide their own fate. This is because this will automatically put the scum at a disadvantage, I think, by keeping them from working together to influence the other groups. Any thoughts on this?

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