NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[KoreanBBQ]

no, its not any ATE, I legit think you are one of the last scum. You should have been lynched days ago but you threw a fit and got out of it. So if I have to die to help the town win then so be it. Someone already mentioned how you are just coasting through the game and your reasonless vote on us only goes to show that you don't care who gets lynched.

[KoreanBBQ]

but then again her attack SSK mimics closely to my own and that makes me think town so maybe she's just horrible.

hrmmmm....the question is would muffin try to bus his buddy?

And the only thing I have on Pie is his dumb vote hopping on day 1.

[KoreanBBQ]

My vote against you isn't without reason, but there's a reason Llamarble the Paragon died, and I want to find it.

*jaw drops*

this is absolutely shitty reasoning and if you truly believed this then why did you not vote me right off the bat?

[KoreanBBQ]

fair enuff. I didn't remember that but still your reasons are complete and udder shit.

[KoreanBBQ]

My vote against you isn't without reason, but there's a reason Llamarble the Paragon died, and I want to find it.

Probably because he was efforting

[KoreanBBQ]

Vote proph!

So you think that Muffin was trying to bus his buddy?

Possible. It's not like he's anti-busser or anything

[KoreanBBQ]

Hana still not claiming is anti-town. I think that this game becomes solvable once she claims and/or we get her flip. I also don't remember her interacting to my earlier vote on her and her vote on us for shit all reason makes me think this is scum.

See this is the part where scum is scared of what kind of role I have and wants me lynched.

If scum is scurred of your role then why not... nightkill you instead of wasting effort? We all know that I'm not the type who would waste an effort and would prefer an easy way out.

[KoreanBBQ]

A Hanapie team? bet that would taste nasty.

You touch pie I incinerate you

[KoreanBBQ]

Vote proph!

What was your reason for voting him right after voting me again?

[KoreanBBQ]

You are tainting VCA with your own vote, also this is the kind of stuff I used to pull both as town and scum in the past so... your AtF isn't working.

What is there to fear? Fypov we're selfvoting.
Actually, why are you even feeling the fear?

[KoreanBBQ]

Fypov we're scum selfvoting*

[KoreanBBQ]

Are we 1v1ing?

Considering we are voting each other I guess so.

vote:kbbq

When we flip ton Hana dies tomorrow.

Sakura is town, you silly sausages.

Then pls convince me that casso and proph can be scum together

[KoreanBBQ]

Hana still not claiming is anti-town. I think that this game becomes solvable once she claims and/or we get her flip. I also don't remember her interacting to my earlier vote on her and her vote on us for shit all reason makes me think this is scum.

See this is the part where scum is scared of what kind of role I have and wants me lynched.

If scum is scurred of your role then why not... nightkill you instead of wasting effort? We all know that I'm not the type who would waste an effort and would prefer an easy way out.

Because they dont know if my role will retaliate to a night kill.

You are tainting VCA with your own vote, also this is the kind of stuff I used to pull both as town and scum in the past so... your AtF isn't working.

What is there to fear? Fypov we're selfvoting.
Actually, why are you even feeling the fear?

Nothing, that's why it's not working.

Sweet. Unlike Nero, I knew your role since Day 1 so I'm confirmed town now.
Psychology dictates that people who publicly say that they aren't feeling fear are the one who are actually fearing.

[KoreanBBQ]

Also why am I selfvoting again
UNVOTE:

[KoreanBBQ]

Sakura is town, you silly sausages.

Then pls convince me that casso and proph can be scum together

Casso is defscum, stop worrying about proph right now.

But no matter how I think about it I don't think scum casso would attempt to flashwagon mafiassk and bus muffin like there's no tomorrow

[KoreanBBQ]

And I still find it offensive that someone (regardless of alignment) is scumreading me at this point when everything in this freaking game points to me being town.

[KoreanBBQ]

Oh hey sakura
did you know that claiming something that can retaliate the nightkill right now is a scumclaim?

[KoreanBBQ]

Apparently yes.

[KoreanBBQ]

I played with you enough to know which role you have at this point.
there is no need for me to fish.

[KoreanBBQ]

Nacho, why do you not just want to lynch BBQ? I wouldn't mind a BBQ lynch. Proph is useless, but is he scum useless or just generic useless? These are questions, PM, gchat, whatevs.

Define "useless."

[KoreanBBQ]

Really, because apparently you're claiming i am mafia something. instead of Town something.

You are a vanilla. Either a town vanilla (VT) or mafia vanilla (goon).
Now if you're done with "ooh bbq is rolefishing", go look somewhere for scum, for I literally can't be scum in this game.

[KoreanBBQ]

Now if ur town, go look somewhere for scum*

[KoreanBBQ]

You mean never.
I never played like this in my entire mafia career before.

[KoreanBBQ]

If you are gonna scumread me you better look for another angle because you won't win at that angle.

P-Edit: Abyss was me trolling since D2. Now unless you're accusing me of trolling at this point, moving on.

[KoreanBBQ]

You mean "why am I not confirmed town yet?", which I said for claiming an IC.
Next?

[KoreanBBQ]

Then why did F16 die before him?
After I flip town, then why did Llamarble die?
Why am I not obvtown? Exactly what is pinging your radar?

[KoreanBBQ]

Because unlike you, he wasn't willing to lynch me either.

I had a townread on you until I looked over a vca again in the middle of d8, so that doesn't make any sense.

Now answer the other questions.

I can shoot down anything you bring up with because I know what I did, I know what I can never fake, and I know what makes me town.

[KoreanBBQ]

Also come to think of it, both proph and sakura was pushing me for "lol sheep norlkaz lynch bbq"

[KoreanBBQ]

I think I'm done hesitating now.
VOTE: proph

L-1.

P-Edit: a pattern.

[KoreanBBQ]

The final thing I saw to make up my mind.

[KoreanBBQ]

No I dont wanna lynch myself anymore. I selfvoted earlier to garner reaction and to talk to thor/prop since I knew thor would start chewing on me if I did that.. Nero is happy to prove that you're scum with a noble sacrifice. But we're not doing that.

[KoreanBBQ]

Um how did "at all" magically turned to "anymore"

[KoreanBBQ]

Also I was on already going after proph so there's nothing wrong with my vote at all.

[KoreanBBQ]

Yup. After the lord charlston game.

[KoreanBBQ]

Losing a game, and yell at nacho, because at that point it means the scum is casso/proph, which I don't see happening.

[KoreanBBQ]

If casso/proph are scum together, that means that there were flipping 4 scums on my wagon day 1.

[KoreanBBQ]

Back-to-back, even.

[KoreanBBQ]

remember this wagon from IN:

no vc last night on account of i was drunk

Votecount 1.8

[3]

MafiaSSK

(

zMuffinMan

,

BROseidon

,

Psychlone

)
[2]

BROseidon

(

thenewearth

,

mastin2

)
[2]

pieguyn

(

Varsoon

,

Mac

)
[2]

thenewearth

(

pieguyn

,

thezmon221

)
[1]

Morph the Cat

(

waynegg

)

[3] Not Voting (

MafiaSSK

,

Morph the Cat

,

Ghostly Penguin

)

With 13 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-11-14 13:00:00)

Nacho and zmuffin were both scum and they all piled on this wagon to manipulate the VCA. so that wagon in no way implies Casso/Proph team is impossible and we shouldn't discount the possibility justbc of that

Actually that was done to troll mastin iirc

[KoreanBBQ]

also why would you expect me to be able to see town Sakura considering YOU YOURSELF WERE SCUMREADING HER ON D1 AND THOUGHT HER PLAY DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THE USUAL SAKURA?

what does casso's not townreading her have to do with you not townreading her?

[KoreanBBQ]

I still wanna lynch Casso today

he's the last one left and I'm paranoid if we lynch someone else the remaining players won't wanna lynch Casso. the last 4 people who died all wanted to lynch Casso. I refuse to believe there's not smth to that. I don't give a shit how ridiculous it is. the last thing I need is for Casso-scum to win against me again despite me pegging him bc he was able to successfully kill off everyone who suspected him. plus the fact that BBQ now has Casso 3rd on his lynch list is making me paranoid of a BBQ x Casso team . this would make the situation especially dangerous if Proph gets lynched bc it'd literally just be me and GM left who'd wanna lynch Casso and they could just NK one of them

overall a Casso lynch has the least risk by far and is the most likely to flip scum

I did explain why: I have a scumpool of {Casso, Proph, Sakura}, I don't think Casso and Proph are scum together, and Proph's cases on casso/me and his paranoia of masons are BS.
Ergo, it is only natural that I have Proph -> Sakura -> Casso in order.

[KoreanBBQ]

That was muffin and I trolling in a game

I thought it was to troll mastin

[KoreanBBQ]

Also, random semi-serious question - does my rage at all convey the same with that seal face next to it?

I still think of your avi when I see you post

[KoreanBBQ]

..Wow? I get back and I'm hammered?

Please lynch Casso and KoreanBBQ. I'm confident that they're the scumteam.

Actually me/casso/pie were non-nightkilling werewolves and we just won.

[KoreanBBQ]

That newbie game

[KoreanBBQ]

Also NY 167

[KoreanBBQ]

Ms Marangal,

Town Mason

, killed Night 8.

It is now Day 9! Deadline is on April 7th at 4:50 PM EST or in (expired on 2014-04-07 16:46:39).

ITT scum pulls a final attempt to frame pieguy

VOTE: Casso

[KoreanBBQ]

I can predict the future: scum casso get lynched today
pie gets nightkilled
I get mislynched at LyLo
gg

[KoreanBBQ]

I do think today is LyLo hence my last comment
And I don't see any other possibilities.

If pie was scum, his scumbud had to be proph (discarding my townread on him)
GM is conftowned already conftown.

[KoreanBBQ]

Norm setup bans survivor lol

[KoreanBBQ]

Mara dying frames pieguy. That's probably why she dies before you.

[KoreanBBQ]

Actually I think if theres two scums left and sakura is town, she wouldve died over the masons.

[KoreanBBQ]

If I was rolefishing you wouldnt even see it coming
Also in my hypothesis, you dont die by the role but because of how everyone was townreading you.
you get killed. I get mislynched bc sakura death points to me so hard even after scum casso gets lynched first.

For me, this is either LyLo with you/casso or not a lylo with only casso.

[KoreanBBQ]

And because pie/casso is just not possible

[KoreanBBQ]

If you act town enough, I may take a leap of faith and ask myself to be lynched first, so whatever you are, try hard.

P-Edit: I already said thats bc I thought proph and casso werent scum together.
if proph flipped town, my next read goes to... yeah.

[KoreanBBQ]

Ms Marangal,

Town Mason

, killed Night 8.

It is now Day 9! Deadline is on April 7th at 4:50 PM EST or in (expired on 2014-04-07 16:46:39).

ITT scum pulls a final attempt to frame pieguy

VOTE: Casso

No, that's absolute bullshit. The only thing last nights kill does is fuck me-scum over because now a majority (pieguy, you, good morning) is adamantly against me instead of supporting me.

So... try again.

You're expecting 2 scums left though.
You're speaking as if 1 scum is left.
Anyway, in 2 scums left scenario, I would gladly take a flank to carry the other member to victory if I was scum. I believe in saccing so unless mara kill hurts both pie-casso or sakura-casso, that line of reasoning doesn't work.

If you act town enough, I may take a leap of faith and ask myself to be lynched first

Why would you do this in a HIGHLY LIKELY LyLo? This isn't a town line of thought.

it's not a scum line of thoughts either.
This is GIF being ridiculously crazy and daring.

[KoreanBBQ]

As I said, for me, its either casso/you lylo or casso-only non-lylo.
If you actually be town enough, I am willing to take a risk.
Also I never said I would push my lynch. I only said I would ask for my lynch.
Get inside my head for a bit and look again.

Also, AtE is appeal to emotion. I am appealing to my confidence. So... I guess it's AtC?

[KoreanBBQ]

But even then, it requires you to be town as hell for me so there

[KoreanBBQ]

And that "another mislynch" is all it takes for scum win right now.

[KoreanBBQ]

Because i'm as green as the grass, If you're willing to die for that thought then you better put your actions where your words are

Vote: BBQ

You gotta try harder to move my heart.

[KoreanBBQ]

8363 was for casso.

[KoreanBBQ]

And your scumread on pie is full of shit btw
You should know better than me that there's something scum pie can't fake.
You played with him more than I did so you should know that.
With that terrible read I can't townread you ever

[KoreanBBQ]

I actually had a case on proph while I really didn't on casso except for relying a read on nightkills.

[KoreanBBQ]

You played with him more than I did so you should know that.

And this is the exact same thing that Casso says about pie wrt to him reading me, try again.

Pie is actually ridiculously easy to read when town while you not so much as town. Reading townpie is literally the easy modo

[KoreanBBQ]

(That is, when he posts frequently and he did post a lot here so)

[KoreanBBQ]

I did a shitton of rereading last night and

1. I think I can bank Sakura town. there's smth I noticed that's practically an absolute towntell for her bc it's part of a meta trajectory that's really recent and I don't think she'd be aware of it as scum
2. Casso is still scum and there were several off notes after reading Casso's ISO. I'll elaborate if enough ppl bother me

also, BBQ and Casso were scumreading each other before BBQ moved Casso down and put a lynch order where they win if they're both scum, yet both their votes went to Proph. this should really not be happening at this point in the game and it makes me think scum x scum. there's also the chance of just 4 scum. so it's either Casso x BBQ or there's only 4 scum and it's Casso

I still wanna lynch Casso and I won't tolerate any other lynch. he's the one I'm by far the most sure of and there might only be 4 scum anyway. and I far prefer to go for the sure bet right now as opposed to lynching someone else

Casso has been speaking like there's only one scum left in the game so

[KoreanBBQ]

Hana scumreading my slot for shit reasons is p much par for the course. It makes me want to lean town but she could easily fake that.

The only thing that I really have on Pie is his early day1 vote hoping. I think GIF said something about about this being his first theme game...but its not.

Thor wanting to lynch me for F all reasoning makes me think of his scum play in TWD.

Casso should prob be the lynch today.

[KoreanBBQ]

Re: pie I already explained. He can't fake the strong posts with conviction as scum.

BUT

something just clicked on me.
I was revisiting NY 167 and compared the setup.
I have no fucking clue why I was basing on 5-men scumteam.

I looked through. I'm not scum.
Sakura-Casso, now that I think of the clear mind, is like not possible bc I don't think scum sakura eould wk her buddy like hell.
Casso-Pie is out of the question.
Sakura-Pie, while it LOOKS possible, I doubt it considering the stances on each other.

I'm gonna do a hard reset and go over this game with 4-men team in mind.

UNVOTE:

[KoreanBBQ]

Town:
Gunsmith
masons x2
jailkeeper
vig
VTs

vs

scum
encryptor
JoaT
Goon
???

Comparing to the NY167, town lost a JoaT (1scop 1sdoc) and earned jailkeeper and the pair of masons.

scum, comparing to NY167, earned a JoaT.
Encryptor/goon stays the same.

doc/goon (from NY167) is equally powerful, if not weaker, as JoaT/whatever.
So if that whatever is a goon, this setup is still balanced.

So yeah, we most probably have 1 scum left at this point.
(Which gives me a breather)

[KoreanBBQ]

oooooohhhhhh

I'm being scaaaaaaryyyyy

[KoreanBBQ]

how the fuck can you possibly think I'm scum after I've put my heart and soul into this game?

how the fuck can you possibly think I'm scum after all the facts that point towards me being town?

[KoreanBBQ]

Unvote
Vote: Pie

Why did you unvote me there?

[KoreanBBQ]

VOTE: Casso

Flip table pls

[KoreanBBQ]

GG m8