Mini 1564 - Nyctapolis (~owari~)

[Remilia Scarlet]

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[pieguyn]

screw you
I guess I wasn't fated to get it anyway ;w;

votecount 2.1

Faster Than Light (1) - thenewearth
InsidiousLemons (1) - Empking
Raging Bull (1) - Remilia Scarlet

Not voting (8) - notSakura, undo, InsidiousLemons, Faster Than Light, iamsteve, Raging Bull, Tanzklaue, Number_0ne

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is 4/19, 22:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2014-04-19 22:00:00).

[InsidiousLemons]

Shitty NK IMO, and many others' as well, apparently

VOTE: thenewearth

Because I don't think anyone's really a good vote and that wasn't PR sniffing at all.

[thenewearth]

And I am scum becaaaauuussseee?

[Raging Bull]

@ remilia, that was more for undo, not ftl. Explain why i didn't vote CD on the same post as my unvote on SV then? Why do you think ftl is town and his hammer?

[Number_0ne]

VOTE: iamsteve

Has a lot of useless posts and has a scummy type of lurking.

[notSakura]

Shitty NK IMO, and many others' as well, apparently

Why is the NK shitty?

[InsidiousLemons]

Because of a BS vote and because I'm the type of player who has to have his vote on SOMEONE if they're even a tiny bit scummy. The NK is shitty because it hit a VT who was likely going to get lynched today otherwise. I meant shitty from the perspective of the NK'er, not me BTW. It's a fantastic NK for town because it probably prevented what would have likely otherwise been a mislynch.

[Tanzklaue]

Because of a BS vote and because I'm the type of player who has to have his vote on SOMEONE if they're even a tiny bit scummy. The NK is shitty because it hit a VT who was likely going to get lynched today otherwise. I meant shitty from the perspective of the NK'er, not me BTW. It's a fantastic NK for town because it probably prevented what would have likely otherwise been a mislynch.

so you think the NK was done by mafia?

what reasons would mafia have for such a nightkill?

[iamsteve]

That's it. Nevermind my Read on FTL

VOTE: FTL

Rethink this. He's town.

Vote: IL-at the top of this page he hedged his bet in quite a scum miss fashion.

Don't really agree. SV flipped town and IL made it clear about his stance on both as if he didn't necessarily know they were the same alignment. I see scum more likely to make an attempt to avoid both or to ignore one while focusing on the other. I realize his voting patterns were a bit weird, but SV was the lower risk lynch, his play at L-1 didn't make him more town, and I think IL's play falls in line with that.

If either had flipped scum we'd be having a different conversation right now.

VOTE: RB

The only motivation I can readily see for 'oh SV suddenly looks town at L-1 for ???, let's ring up the other guy instead' is that he wanted to get CD's claim too after he realized that SV's claim wasn't gonna derail his lynch. a VT claim by itself (especially at L-1) should not detract from a scumread on a person.

This is the opposite of the way IL handled it (wanted to lynch the claimed VT over the unknown role, which is understandable from town and less so from scum.)

-b

FTL also jumped off the SV wagon, can you explain why you townread FTL but scumread RB?

InsidiousLemons: Are there other reasons you scumread thenewearth or is "a bad vote" everything? Also, why is the vote so bad?

[iamsteve]

Number_0ne: You announced you want to kill CD because you planned to extract some reads of the flip. Now your scum read is based on a post analysis that you could have done just as well with CD being alive.
Where is your wagon analysis that you aimed to do?

[undo]

@ remilia, that was more for undo, not ftl.

What do you mean?

Because of a BS vote and because I'm the type of player who has to have his vote on SOMEONE if they're even a tiny bit scummy. The NK is shitty because it hit a VT who was likely going to get lynched today otherwise. I meant shitty from the perspective of the NK'er, not me BTW. It's a fantastic NK for town because it probably prevented what would have likely otherwise been a mislynch.

Why are you assuming scum did it? Do you happen to know more than we do?

[Remilia Scarlet]

FTL also jumped off the SV wagon, can you explain why you townread FTL but scumread RB?

The motivation I attributed to RB doesn't apply to FTL.
Also FTL's town as fuck.

Anyway we can talk about it later cause there's a better place for my vote.

VOTE: undo

-b

[undo]

Care to elaborate?

[Empking]

Unvote
Vote: Number

[undo]

Hey, Number_0ne

First of all, I'd like to mention my stance on the CheeryDog wagon. I'm not convinced that he's scum. While his stance has quickly become anti-town, I don't see how its any more deserving of a lynch than others with similar behaviors, like SV, Empking, or myself. I don't find him to be scum. However, lynching him might be better since it may point us in the right direction for finding scum, should he flip town, and of no loss if he's scum.

I'd rather not give any reads until after a flip. I have some people I suspect for town, but not strong suspects for scum.

If CD is lynched and is found to be town, then we can analyse his wagon, and see who gave good reasons, while others may have just been scum trying to get a townie lynched. If he is scum, the wagon still has some utility.

I'm not going to have any strong suspects until there is a flip. And I'm considering the worst case scenario in regards to these lynches. If CD flips town, then his wagon can be easily analyzed and it is easier to find scum from there.

Go

[InsidiousLemons]

You're right; I am assuming scum did it, but I don't know any more than you do. My thinking is that vig-killing him wouldn't make much sense if vig thought SV was town, because to vig it wouldn't make much difference. it's either wasting an NK or wasting a lynch; wouldn't those two be roughly equivalent in a vig's eyes? Having never played vig, I don't know, but this seems to make sense.

[notSakura]

Why does it make more sense for scum to make the NK and doesn't it make sense for a vig to make it? Why would it be wasting a NK or a lynch? You're talking from the perspective of someone that now knows SV's alignment, before then no one knew, so why wouldn't a vig shoot him thinking he was scum?

[Tanzklaue]

I think if vig had anyone to shoot after day 1, it was SV.

i am pretty certain that the nightkill wasn't scummotivated.

[Tanzklaue]

also a lynch is much more valuable than a vig shot. you can read into a lynch. you can't read into a vig shot too much.

[iamsteve]

VOTE: InsidiousLemons
I find his answers (none) to my questions insufficient.

Is anyone in this game both town and also willing to answer to questions?

[InsidiousLemons]

If I were vig and thought SV was scum I'd just let him get lynched the next day since it was likely anyway. Worst thing that happens is he convinces everyone else he's town and you shoot him the next night. For the 1st night I'd just shoot a different one of my scumreads.

@iamsteve: nope a bad vote is all. It's bad because it's trying to incriminate someone who isn't scummy. I don't feel undo is a good wahon either, and now VOTE: Number_0ne because I agree with undo and n0 is a better vote than tne even if2 it's just a pressuure vote.

[iamsteve]

UNVOTE:
Thanks. unvote for now. After FTL's aweful wagon switch plus the hammer without claim getting a vote in his face at the beginning of day 2 is not very suspicious. Generally I didn't notice anything scummy about thenewearth yet. She's generating good activity here. But let's see if Number_0ne has something interesting to say.

[thenewearth]

V/LA 2 days. Holy week

[pieguyn]

V/LA 2 days. Holy week

Noted.