I am saying two things;
1. That I already provided the evidence you wanted - and if you wish I can quote it, but want you to answer my question first.
2. That I find you wanting to debate the difference between "changed mind" and "reconsidered" to be pretty silly. They are practically synonyms, and it's not a valid reason to duck answering my question to debate with me.
I haven't said it would be. Why do you think I have?
In post 100, Tr1ckster wrote:The way you phrased this confuses me. Are you saying that it's a good idea to give reads lists when you're scum?
I didn't say that, but, yes, I would say it's probably a good idea to do anything that looks pro-town when you're scum.
What I did say was - when you play scum, do you need other people to give reads lists in order to help you figure out who looks really town?
You seem to have a lot of trouble understanding me. I'm not trying to be difficult, and I'm not sure where the hangup is. Is English your first language?
I have no particularly strong opinion on him. I find the case weak but quite acceptable for this stage of the game.
In post 102, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:[1]It's bad for town because 2 weeks worth of discussion can go down the pan, that could be a lot of potential information that isn't only useful for D1 but can also be used later in the game. To an IC, I thought this would have been fairly obvious. If someone had come in, and not paid attention to what was going on so far, and voted for NM, we would have lost a lot of information.
[2]I don't really have much experience of L-1 wagons. However, trying to make somebody claim this early seems really bad, and only good for scum. If NM had to claim a power role to save his life, he could lie of course but let's just assume he doesn't, town are at a huge disadvantage with a power role exposed. Again, I'm not sure why I have to explain this to an IC. L-1 wagons are good for applying pressure and increasing activity for sure, but that was really early and I'm sure it was warranted.
[3]I had a problem with your vote because a) you're an IC who looked super happy to lynch straight away and b) you voted for him in your very first post knowing he already had 3 votes and there was a chance somebody could lynch him by mistake.
1. Is that obvious? I've been in exactly one Newbie game that had an early speed lynch - Town won that game. What is your evidence supporting that speed lynches tend to lead to town losses? I mean, if it's silly that I, as an IC, wouldn't agree with that - clearly it's a well known fact with supporting evidence...right?
2. I do not understand how you think a claim is bad. A claim is good. If people don't want a claim early then they shouldn't vote people. Claims, and L-1 wagons with hammer intent create trackable evidence of who people are willing to lynch and also provide information. If you agree that after two weeks a claim is "good" then I don't see the issue with having a claim at one week, or two days, or one day. If it happening is good (and I presume you're not arguing that there shouldn't be a claim) then the time it happens is merely one of preference, not an absolute.
3a. I was looking super happy to lynch right away. Is that scummy? Why?
3b. Yes, I did vote him...so did a number of other people. Why am I the only one who would be guilty if he was lynched? I'm pretty sure I can't lynch people on my own.
Like take this - here you are pushing for a lynch. You're making an aggressive and early move...something you seem to find questionable when others do it. But...I guess since you're not L-1 and not an IC it isn't scummy when you do it? Is that right?
Unvote: Not_Mafia
Vote: BlueBloodedToffee
Serious vote.
Are you actually taking notes? Or is this to make it appear like you're working on stuff? Or is it a mild intimidation attempt?
I'm also pretty sure Madonna and tynn are town.