Micro 324: Bridge Mafia (D3, 6/9 alive)

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Vote Arc

Maybe it's the smiley, but that Mala vote has a taunting feel to it.

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Why don't you?

Instead of egging him on

I'm not egging him on - I totally agree that

if

you're town you are too good to lose.
And, I would never vote for you without any evidence Mala

Why not?

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Ok.

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Redcoyote, that same post had my eyebrows raised a little too, but Wolfy's next post wasn't bad.

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true but I literally don't think I've ever seen scum try to stay in RVS strategically.

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you know... with mala being a huge benefit if town, or a huge threat if scum... why not just lynch her and clear that up early? Statistically... isn't it the smart move?

Lol what a clown trying to rile up the newbies.

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Pretty sure Lucky's just trolling.

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Eh. Maybe. I woulldnt expect much to come from it though.

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Two things since my last post:
1) Mala's questioning of Antihero is probably the most awkward I've ever seen Mala. Not quite sure what to make of it. But I kinda feel like as scum she wouldn't question a player like Antihero. Mixed feelings there. Slight town lean I think.

2) Insanity's Lucky vote sucks.

Unvote, Vote Insanity

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Redcoyote, nah I'm pretty sure that's what Lucky was trying to do. Looked like an "lolreactions" post. And on Mala, like I said mixed feelings. The slight town read is because Mala as scum doesn't seem the type to ruffle feathers with someone like Antihero.

Preview edit: ummm. Outspoken and influential maybe? I don't really know how else to describe it.

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I wouldn't use the word "mean", but even if I would, that would make the point I'm trying to make.

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Wolfy's Arc vote actually does look pretty bad.

Also, if it's a town player who froze my vote, you should probably claim it or I'm assuming it was scum. The exception is if it has another power with it.

Fixed

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Redcoyote, no. Lucky's post wasn't a big deal at all to me. I just thought it was kind of funny. Not a whole lot to read into.

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Prod dodge. Just not posting because nothing is going on. I'm still here.

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Someone shoulld say something interesting. We're on Page 5 and I'm bored...

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I don't like a Lucky lynch

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Can you remind me of the Wolfy case? I'll sheep it later if I like it.

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Prodding Egg

Ow

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Prodding Egg

Ow

Can't hunt scum with prodding a few eggs.

Lucky for you.

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Unvote, Vote Wolfy

That's L-1. Two and a half days to deadline it seems it's him or Lucky. I'm townreading Lucky.

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Mala, I'm having trouble getting interested in this game for some reason.

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Nah. It's not like that. I just haven't seen anything ridiculously scummy to jump on yet. I usually get that on Page 1...

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I know zip about the theme.

Who in this game have you played with before?

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If that was a slip it would be more along the lines of "I've never been scum in any completed games".

Can we go back to lynching Wolfy? I like that better.

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Mod

, it looks like you still have AA in the last VC.

Fixed, thanks.

So we've heard why enomis doesn't want to vote jklash, but I'm still unsure what's keeping Mala/Lucky/Egg from coming aboard.

I just haven't seen a good case on him

Also, Antihero, you don't have much room to talk about Mala not being ready to hammer when you are leaving the L-1 wagon you wanted so badly to start a brand new one.

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I was looking at this post being made right after you left the L-1 wagon that YOU started and YOU wanted and YOU were begging us all to join to start a brand new wagon with deadline approaching:

Deadline in 1 day, 11 hours, 32 minutes

so, you're just playing chicken with penny or.......

what?

when were you planning on being ready?

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RedCoyote, I'm personally more worried about Antihero's unvote than his hammer.

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I dunno. I haven't voted him, have I? I'm just saying the hammer wasn't a big deal. The unvote was weird and threw me off, but like you say, I'm not sure if there's a scum motive behind it. It just felt off the way he switched over to Mala. Maybe he's jk's scum neighbor and didn't want to give jk a chance to claim because of the site meta of 1T1S neighbors. Maybe he's scum with Mala and wanted to distance a little. Who knows? It definitely seemed weird. Weird doesn't necessarily mean scum, but a lot of times there's more to weird things than we realize until we see a flip or two.

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Like 2 days I think. It wasn't like right at the last second, but it was late enough that a new wagon wasn't happening and he was clearly aware of the deadline because he pointed it out to Mala.

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with rc's claim, i am now a lot more suspicious of mala's softclaiming

I missed the softclaim until I ISO'd Mala to find it just now. But what does that have to do with RedCoyote's claim?

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If that post wasn't a softclaim, I don't understand it.

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Actually, she said she

wasnt

fake-crumbing here. Apparently that post meant nothing.

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Ah.

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Unexpected V/LA. 90% of my posts come from my phone. My phone broke. So 90% of the time I post won't be happening.

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Ok got a new phone. Still getting used to it but let's give this a try.

RedCoyote, I feel like I explained my thoughts on Antihero's unvote pretty clearly. Let me know if there's something that confused you about that.

On the "have I?" Thing, nah. I get more annoyed than I should in both mafia and life when i feel like assumptions are being made about my opinions. I felt like it was being assumed that my mind was made up on my Antihero read. I'm actually very conflicted on that read. That's probably what you were sensing that came off as defensive.

And I'm not sure how jk would respond to having a neighbor. He seemed pretty new to me and this was my first time playing with him.

vote Insanity

I dont like his L-1 vote followed by pointing out the speed of the wagon as an issue.

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Honestly I dont think she'd back off the softclaim as scum. She'd probably end up claiming a power role later on.

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Ok my bad. Will remember that

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Why not Insanity?

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I have him as town.

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Town fake crumbing to draw a NK is really that hard to believe? Why haven't you even asked her to provide meta to show that she's done this before considering she says she has? I'm kinda thinking you don't actually believe this case and just jumped on because it was popular.

If I check back in a day or two and Insanity doesn't have votes, Ill get on Wolfy.

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I was asking Wolfy. I mean that answer is fine, but I'm trying to guage whether Wolfy genuinely believes Mala is scum or not and you answerimg for him makes bthat a lot harder.

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Redcoyote, my bad. I thought i was pretty clear when I said Mala was town for not following up the fake crumbs with a fake claim. It's a pretty strong tell for me and I thought I made that obvious. Sorry for the confusion.

Actually with Mala's last two posts, scratch that. I mean, I'm leaving it there to show that's where I was coming from, but it doesnt really apply now.

Still, I prefer this.

unvote, vote wolfy

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Your reads are almost exactly opposite of mine.

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Redcoyote, if I don't work OT tonight, I'll try to find the energy to do a reads list with reasons. But to answer Lucky, from town to scum:
Lucky
Mala
Enomis
Redcoyote
Antihero
Wolfy
Insanity

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Redcoyote, if I don't work OT tonight, I'll try to find the energy to do a reads list with reasons. But to answer Lucky, from town to scum:
Lucky
Mala
Enomis
Redcoyote
Antihero
Wolfy
Insanity

Nope. No energy. Sorry.

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You do realize that if I had gone, "ok *vote*" without looking, you'd have just baited me into hammering, right?

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Let me do that reads post and if Mala is the only lynch that will happen, sure, I'll hammer. But I'd much rather hang Wolfy.

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Redcoyote i havent forgotten you. I'm visiting home and I work three hours away so I'm having trouble making time. I go back tomorrow.

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Lucky- He's mostly a town read because of the lack of a good case on him and people like Insanity voting him because it's easy. Also, looking back, his vote on Insanity early in the game is for reasons that I agreed with. I also like his take on jklash leaving his RVS vote for so long. He didn't try to run with it being scummy or anything. Just called it lazy and pointed out there's no possible "scum agenda" there. It's a voice of reason type of post that I feel like Luckyscum wouldn't use to discourage people from voting mislynch bait like that. His take on the Mala wagon today has the same voice of reason feel to it. Then the fact that he pointed out a clear difference between jk and wolfy, questioned wolfy on it, and THEN voted when he wasn't satisfied shows town scumhiunting rather than opportunistic scum like he seems to have been painted as. So I guess the biggest town tell is the way he isn't jumping on the BS that everyone else is spewing and is going against it in what appears to be a genuine attempt to lynch scum.
Mala - Like Lucky, I mostly just don't buy the case. I'm really not sure what to even look for with Mala these days, so I'm gonna have to leave it at that.
Arc/Enomis/Kalimar - I actually wasn't that impressed with Arc. She felt fake. Maybe it was that the buddying with Mala felt overplayed or the exclamation points threw the tone that way. Even Enmois' entrance seemed awkward asking about the theme rather than the game and then the "haha" to start his next post. But then he comes right out with solid reads and opinions and just keeps going from there.
Redcoyote - I have yet to figure out the difference between town and scum Redcoyote. However, I usually see town immediately in his posts and I don't see that "OMG He's Town!" here. Not sure why.
Antihero - Antihero is low on this list because of the jk thing. I really think the way he tunneled so early and his actions near deadline add up to a possible scum neighbor. And his attitude towards Mala feels fake. However, I don't have much of a case outside of that.
Wolfy - His third post looks overdefensive. Like he took Mala's "egging him on" thing way too seriously. The large font if and the "would never vote mala" thing with the winking smiley feel like trying to appease Mala and have any hint of a point against him gone. Like he wants to start off on a town looking note and this is a possible mark against that. I think Redcoyote may have touched on that post already, but it still stands out on ISO. The Arc vote seems like just sheeping Lucky's reasoning but still taking credit. He took Lucky's "try hard" point and applied it to Arc. Almost seems like he's just looking to place a vote that someone will agree with. More of trying to look good than finding scum. I don't like it. The real awkward thing was when I asked for the wolfy case and he just linked it calling himself "helpful". Really? Why not question why I would sheep it? Why not show me why the case is wrong. Just linking it like that looks like trying to fake relaxation. 122 reads extremely fake. And 122 is only the beginning of tunneling on Redcoyote to the point of implicating Mala just for a connection he claims is there. Then a wagon builds up on him. Another wagon builds up on jk, Of course he hops on jk pointing out a "scum slip" that wasn't even close to actually existing. Then today, he won't even listen to any logic that implies that Mala might be town. All he has is that Mala's move looked deceitful (even if the deceit was against scum) and must be scum behavior. This is not town trying to lynch scum. This is scum trying to justify his vote.
Insanity- The first thing that stands out is her town read on Wolfy for getting town out of RVS. Uh, what? How was it Wolfy that did that? When I originally pointed out that I've never seen a scum try to stay in RVS strategically, she concedes her Wolfy town read. This shows that she never had a confident read and makes the Wolfy town read look less genuine. Then she makes two very nervous sounding posts correcting herself about that same read. The Lucky vote just looks like wanting to find a townie to vote for and just "hey this sticks out let's vote it". Then she calls Lucky's vote OMGUS when there is a perfectly good reason attached to Lucky's vote. Admittedly, after that, Insanity's play looks better except for the jklash vote.

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Shit forgot about his claim.

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[quotr="Antihero"]lucky tunneling on wolfy is really the most town thing you see in this game? is that a joke?[/quote]

Nice misrep. Not jumping on dumb bandwagons isn't the same as tunneling on Wolfy.

there's a huge difference between being a wagon hater and trying to suss out who exactly on the wagon is scum and who's misguided town (this is what a townie does) and being a wagon hater and just trying to throw dirt on everyone on the wagon (this is what scum do).

everyone on the mala wagon is scummy? fake. he's just throwing blanket suspicion on the wagon and seeing what someone else will pick up on.

You do realize those were my scum reads before the Mala wagon even existed, right?

solid opinions, eh? well, a few snapshots of his reads when he left: he had redcoyote and insanity as town (one of whom is your top scumread) and he had no impressions of you and lucky (your strongest townread).

I meant once he started reading the game. He wasn't afraid to say "X is town and Y is scum".

"here, let me milk this fake antihero scumread for everything it's worth so i don't have to work with him or try to reason with him"

You act like you are my top scum read. I literally have one point against you. That's why you are above Wolfy and Insanity on my list.

oh, so the scum just happen to be the newbs. how convenient.
being "nervous" isn't a scumtell and just flippantly declaring things to be "fake" does not make a case

Being new isn't a town tell. Nervousness is something I've always seen as a scum tell except under pressure.

he's not really against this mala lynch. he wants to look like he's against it without actually stopping it from going through.

I've never been good at getting people to change their mind...

Sorry egg, but I agree with anti here. The iso looked fake and you missing the claim is pretty damning.

Yeah, as town I'm more likely to remember a claim apparently. Like what's the case here? That I thought I could push him as practically null, make everyone forget the claim, and get him quicklynched without making a case against him? There is literally no benefit for scum to pretend to forget about a claim knowing it will get pointed out anyway. How is this "damning"?

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Welp.

I just got out of a 16 hour shift at work and have 20 minutes to sleep before I have to be up again so not nearly enjough time to defend myself. I think self hamms are lame so I'm not gonna do it. But I really think you guys are on the wrong track with both Lucky and Mala. Hopefully we get a good result from a power role or something because this game is in bad shape right now. Sorry I wasnt much help this game. I think when this game ends, if my reads were right, I'm going to look into how to improve my persuasion skills. Don't expect anything else to come from me before a hammer. Busy as hell. Sorry.

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Dammit! There goes that 20 minutes to sleep. Just got the text i was waiting for...

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Back a little early. Just wanna point a couple things out

RedCoyote (L-5):
Malakittens (L-5):
insanity018 (L-5):
enomis (L-4): jklash12
Wolfy (L-3): Lucky2u, Egg
Lucky2u (L-5):
Antihero (L-5):
Egg (L-4): Malakittens
jklash12 (L-0): RedCoyote, insanity018, Wolfy, enomis, Antihero

Do you guys really believe there was no scum on this mislynch? If scum is in me/mala/lucky, they either both pushed a Wolfy mislynch over a jk one (why?) or voted between Wolfy/Egg. There absolutely has to be at least one scum on this Day 1 mislynch. I believe the actual non-exaggerated statistic for games I've been in with a Day 1 mislynch having scum on the wagon is 99.5%. Seriously, there's just no way to justify why this vote count looks this way if scum is in me/mala/lucky. The only argument that could make sense is that Mala and I as a scum team actively made sure to stay off of this wagon in case of VCA. But if that was the case, why did neither of us bring up any VCA until now? This vote count alone makes any scum team not involving someone on that wagon an extremely hard sell.

RedCoyote (L-5):
Malakittens (L-1): Antihero, RedCoyote, Wolfy, insanity018
insanity018 (L-5):
enomis (L-5):
Wolfy (L-2): Malakittens, Lucky2u, Egg
Lucky2u (L-5):
Antihero (L-5):
Egg (L-5):

Not voting: enomis

This was earlier today. The Mala wagon has the exact same names as the JK lynch that I just demonstrated absolutely must have scum on it. Does this not make Mala solid town? The same names are pushing a wagon as those who pushed one that HAD TO, not may have been but had to be, scum driven. So I repeat, there is scum on that wagon. The only name missing is enomis who went missing. And notice what the counterwagon is again. The one that everyone on the scum driven wagons swears is town. Wolfy. At this point, I strongly believe the team is Wolfy and one of {Antihero, Insanity}. I get that Lucky can't be ruled out at this point, but there's no evidence to suggest he is scum in my opinion.

RedCoyote (L-5):
Malakittens (L-3): Wolfy, insanity018
insanity018 (L-5):
Kalimar (L-5):
Wolfy (L-3): Malakittens, Egg
Lucky2u (L-5):
Antihero (L-5):
Egg (L-1): Antihero, Lucky2u, Kalimar, RedCoyote

And the shift on to me. Not sure what to make of it. I'm horrible at judging votes on myself to begin with and this doesn't really follow any pattern. If I stick with there being at least one scum on with the other vote counts, it gives us a Wolfy/Antihero team. Although there is the chance I'm wrong about Lucky and it's more like Wolfy/Lucky because his vote was bad and there's no reason for Antihero as scum to jump ship on the Mala wagon there. I guess I could see Lucky mindlessly bussing the whole game.

So yeah, I can admit I might be wrong about Lucky, but Mala is town and Wolfy is scum. It might take my death for this to get a serious look, but someone please do it. The first two vote counts here are probably the most telling. I can't stress enough that Day 1 mislynches damn near ALWAYS have at least one scum on them. Seriously, go find me examples of where this is wrong. I'm sure you can do it, but it will take time to find unless you specifically remember a game like that. That 99.5% is NOT an exaggerated stat. And for those saying me/mala/lucky is the pool, I can't wait to hear what you think happened Day 1.

Also, I know I said I was probably done posting here. Sorry for that. I was cranky from lacking sleep. But yeah, all I ask is that the Day 1 mislynch gets a serious look even if that is after I die. That is our key to saving this game.

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But her vote wasn't there...

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There are five people who physically voted for jklash and had their votes there when he was lynched. The statistic I am using says that at least one of those five is scum.

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honestly, I didn't take game size into account.

no. It's actually "X event DID happen" and is proven by past games.

Can you just look closer at the way that lynch went down tomorrow? Context and all, I just don't see Mala/Lucky as the scum team there. And I'm having a lot of trouble seeing Wolfy as town when I look closer at this game.

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Unvote, Vote Mala

Deadline.

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I fucked up hard too. Dead wrong about Mala, couldn't convince anyone about Insanity, and got lynched. There goes my 8 game winning streak.