Touhou UPick 2 - [Game Over]

Varsoon · Post Post #2025 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:33 pm

Both Victor and I can freeze people's votes on us.
I only freeze the first vote of the day, Victor appears to freeze all votes put on him.
GiF can vote for multiple people, and has been freezing votes on us since the start of the game.

Victor and I are also in a neighborhood together. While not confirmed, I'm pretty damn sure Victor is town based on interaction with him and Feirei (the slot he replaced).

Varsoon · Post Post #2026 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:34 pm

To be clear about that:
If your vote is frozen on one of us, you can not change it.
So yeah.

Magua · Post Post #2027 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:38 pm

"can" freeze or "must" freeze? (ie did you choose to freeze GiF's vote on you?)

Why are you voting notscience?

FakeGod · Post Post #2028 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:41 pm

VoteCount 2.14

GuyInFreezer [4] - notscience, Magua, zMuffinMan, Kagami
notscience [4] - vezokpiraka, Varsoon, VictorDeAngelo, GuyInFreezer
Varsoon [1] -

GuyInFreezer

SXTLHGaiden [1] - GuyInFreezer
VictorDeAngelo [1] -

GuyInFreezer

Magua [1] - GuyInFreezer
Pim [1] - GuyInFreezer
Sakura Hana [1] - GuyInFreezer
zMuffinMan [1] - GuyInFreezer
Kagami [1] - GuyInFreezer
Nachomamma8 [1] - GuyInFreezer
vezokpiraka [1] - GuyInFreezer

Not Voting [4]

- SXTLHGaiden Sakura Hana Nachomamma8 Pim

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch

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Deadline is May 8, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-05-08 13:00:00)

In post 2022, vezokpiraka wrote:
mod: v/la till sunday

Magua · Post Post #2029 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:42 pm

Ok, someone *else* tell me why vezok is voting notscience.

SXTLHGaiden · Post Post #2030 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:49 pm

"ns is scum"
that be the entire argument if memory serves.

Magua · Post Post #2031 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:57 pm

Well, that seems pretty ironclad.

Why are you not voting scum, SXTL?

Varsoon · Post Post #2032 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:35 pm

In post 2027, Magua wrote:"can" freeze or "must" freeze? (ie did you choose to freeze GiF's vote on you?)

Why are you voting notscience?

Must freeze. It's a passive ability.
I already used a spellcard that allowed me to confirm my flavor as Cirno, the Ice Witch.

I'm voting notscience because he's scum.
His 1v1 against GiF feels scum-sided and relies a lot on faulty information and exploitative meta.
To use his own logic against him, though, I don't think there'd be two neighborhoods that were completely town, and I have a lot more confidence that Victor is town over him.

Varsoon · Post Post #2033 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:36 pm

I must freeze the first vote made against me.
Victor must freeze every vote made against him.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #2034 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:38 pm

hmm...

Sakura Hana · Post Post #2035 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:39 pm

Except notscience is playing to his town meta, vezok is just having a playstyle clash.

Varsoon · Post Post #2036 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:40 pm

That's exactly what I'm trying to warn you against.
"Gaiz its my town meta"
and
"Look, it's GiF's scum meta"
are both flimsy arguments.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #2037 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:41 pm

Except notscience can't replicate his town meta as scum even if he wanted to.
Also other tidbits of info, I got an inno on Varsoon D1 (Delayed into D2).

Sakura Hana · Post Post #2038 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:42 pm

And the only reason GiF is voting notscience is to keep being unvotable, but you know that GiF didn't even want to vote notscience.

Varsoon · Post Post #2039 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:45 pm

That way of thinking enables Notscience to beat you in games.
Everyone is capable of everything, Sakura. This doesn't mean to be paranoid or over-think, but that if you look at someone's play, you don't have to inhibit that judgment.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #2040 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:52 pm

Everyone is capable of everything yes, but notscience so far has shown incapability of replicating certain aspects of his town game into his scum game.

Varsoon · Post Post #2041 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:56 pm

The key phrase is 'so far'.
This works until he tricks you with it.
How do you know he's not tricking you with it now?
Ergo, it's not a reliable piece of information unless it's an absolute trust-tell.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #2042 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:00 pm

So? what if i want to believe until he manages to fool me with it?
Also do you really think there's 1 scum among the 4 neighbors?

Varsoon · Post Post #2043 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:25 pm

Well, that's on you, I suppose.
I don't buy into it completely. I think NotSci is scum, but not because of that.
It's just awkward that they claimed Masons (iirc) when I'm just 'neighbor' status with Victor.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #2044 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:26 pm

Well notscience has claimed Masons with a VT as VT before so i don't see how that's surprising.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #2045 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:27 pm

And you were in that game too SOOOOO.... yeah.

Varsoon · Post Post #2046 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:32 pm

So he could emulate that part of his town meta consciously but not what other bits?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #2047 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:43 pm

In post 2046, Varsoon wrote:So he could emulate that part of his town meta consciously but not what other bits?

I don't get what you're getting at here, I just told you he's playing to his town meta, so if he's scum he's emulated his town meta... or the most simple reason that he's playing to his town meta because he's town.

Varsoon · Post Post #2048 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:59 pm

I mean that he's doing something he did in a previous game--claiming masons.
In the previous game he was VT.
So doesn't that make you think that he's claiming masons here to make you believe he's town, like he was in the other game?
Why would someone want to use meta-reliant play to convince people that they are town?

This is what I was talking about before. There's cognitive use of and discussion of meta coming from Notscience that positions him as town and GiF as scum in ways that would be most effective against this playerbase.
That's scummy to me.

Let's drop NS for now, though. What are your scum-picks?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #2049 (ISO) » Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:04 pm

my current scum picks are your neighbor, Magua's slot and maaaaybe GiF's slot.

Also there's a difference with notscience claiming masons with a VT than claiming Masons with a neighbor, so it's not the same thing and is something neighbors do when they are strongly townreading each other to try to draw a night kill towards them. notscience isn't using meta-reliant play to convince me he's town, he's just been fricken playing to his town meta, what part of that don't you get.