NY 171: An Education in Telling Jokes (Game Over!)

[Elyse]

VOTE: Nikanor

[Elyse]

VOTE: elyse

competing wagons gogogogo

Why me?

[Elyse]

VOTE: elyse

competing wagons gogogogo

Why me?

naked third vote on a player that you are not trying to figure out for starters. we can work from there

What do you mean I am not trying to figure him out?

eta: what do you think of nikanor's wking I think it is kind of sweet

What white knighting?

[Elyse]

VOTE: DeathNote

Completely serious vote btw

[Elyse]

vote mollie

She is possibly scum.

vote elyse who is probably scum.

Yoo hoo! Mollie! Please respond to post 45!

Also how has no one else commented on DeathNote's terrible entrance into the game???

59 is RVS. Fine. 60 is him calling Marquis weird and subsequently voting him. He also expresses disbelief at someone calling Marquis town. Weird and scum are not synonymous or else mollie would be scum every game.

Then in 61 he asks mollie if I'm scum, saying he "got caught up with the weirdness and didn't notice my exchange with her". First, you DID notice my exchange with mollie if you are asking her about. Second, the game is three pages long. Reread it and decide if I am scum for yourself.

mollie might also be scum if she's serious about me being scum but it's too soon to tell.

@RC
Please tell me you've moved on from "why me fry me" and have another reason to explain why I'm scum. If you are still holding on to that reason I want you to explain how that's scummy rather than regurgitate a common myth that you implanted into your brain.

Also Marquis is town.

[Elyse]

VOTE: elyse

competing wagons gogogogo

Why me?

naked third vote on a player that you are not trying to figure out for starters. we can work from there

What do you mean I am not trying to figure him out?

eta: what do you think of nikanor's wking I think it is kind of sweet

What white knighting?

1. it means you are not trying to figure him out. if you were did you think the vote would have helped you and if so what have you accomplished?

2. the wking that he did? I am wondering how you could have missed it.

What could I possibly have discerned from his alignment at the time I voted? Are you being serious?

If you mean when he said, "I don't think we should lynch her, she is well directed in her reads", I'm pretty sure that was a joke in reference to my signature. This was followed by saying he doesn't want to lynch me because my scumday is coming up. How does that constitute as white knighting?

Attempting to discredit my vote by saying weird=/=scum isn't going to work. The basis of my vote wasn't strictly because he is a weird player.

All three of those posts that I quoted- 15, 20, and 34 had one common factor and that was him pushing mislynches, even if it was in a joking, "weird" way. You want to mess around like that once, fine... but when you consistently posting in an anti-town fashion, the I feel that warrants a vote.

Ok...so why did you pretend you didn't see my interaction with mollie when you clearly did and why did you rely on mollie's opinion rather than choosing your own? Also you didn't follow up on that question when mollie answered it so I assume it wasn't important...which brings me back to why you pretended to not see it.

[Elyse]

okay so what do you think of her read on you?

I am having a hard time following Elyse's reasoning and usually when that happens, I just ignore them.

Ok...so why did you pretend you didn't see my interaction with mollie when you clearly did and why did you rely on mollie's opinion rather than choosing your own? Also you didn't follow up on that question when mollie answered it so I assume it wasn't important...which brings me back to why you pretended to not see it.

Like... honestly, I don't know where these assumptions are coming from. Moon logic confuses me.

What does me acknowledging Mollie's exchange with you have to do with my read on Maq?

I am a simple man, explain it too me slowly if that's the problem.

It doesn't have anything to do with your read on Marquis.

Answer the question

[Elyse]

Mollie are you serious because if you are you're going to need to stop carrying on and explain yourself sooner or later.

And it would be helpful if you did it sooner kthnx

[Elyse]

Mollie stop ignoring me

[Elyse]

No you didn't

[Elyse]

Mollie can you just be helpful and quote it because all you said was that I wasn't trying to figure nikanor out three posts into the game and that's not a legitimate reason.

[Elyse]

RVS

Did you think my vote on him was serious??? What reason could I possibly have had to seriously place a vote on him at that point?

[Elyse]

What are you talking about?

I joined a RVS bandwagon for fun and you're acting like I placed a serious vote on Nikanor and he was white knighting me when in reality it was a meaningless RVS vote and he was joking.

[Elyse]

Yeah a naked vote on page 1 with like 3 posts.

Anyway no I don't have a read on him yet.

[Elyse]

mollie, what in the actual fuck are you doing.

^^

SOMEONE PAY ATTENTION TO ME GODDAMNlT

I addressed you before but you either didn't see it or ignored it.

[Elyse]

@DeathNote

@Mollie- Is Elyse scum? I kinda got caught up in the weirdness and didn't notice your exchange with her? Or am I premature in asking this...

My questions all revolve around this post. I'll try to break it down for you.

1. Why are you asking mollie for her read on me rather than reading for yourself and coming up with your own read on me?
2. If you were just asking for mollie's read on me, then why didn't you follow up when she ignored you?
3. You said you "got caught up in the weirdness and didn't notice mollie's exchange with me." How is this possible? You just mentioned it, so obviously you noticed it.
4. The game was on page three when you posted this, so why couldn't you have gone back and read it yourself once you weren't "caught up in the weirdness" anymore?

It's like you asked mollie about a car accident that you didn't see. How did you know there was a car accident?

[Elyse]

VOTE: pirate mollie

[Elyse]

Didn't you just call her town?..(to Mollie)

Elyse change your avvie, pls.

Why

[Elyse]

Didn't you just call her town?..(to Mollie)

Elyse change your avvie, pls.

Why

Because I miss the old one. :[

And I don't like this one idk why.


@Marq:

Thanks for that. I can see what you are thinking in regards to Zekrom. I'm just paranoia I guess. :[

You kept telling me to change the last one too.

Oh well

[Elyse]

then what were you unsubscribing to?

Unsubscribing to your posts on Elyse, where you tunnel visioned her then felt ok then decided she was scum again or on the fact that your voting tman based on the fact that you don't like the fact he has been pretty low key so far and is now v/la which in terms of cases, is pretty awful when there is other things going on, also we have 11 days left of day 1, I'm not sure you would have even noticed/gotten off you elyse wagon in that time if he hadn't announced it. Furthermore, whilst your ranting, what are your opinions on OGML and Ythan? or the 10 other players with less posts than tman? You certainly have not made an effort to either look for scum outwith a select few players or even consider/question other players. It saddens me that you are becoming the most viable lynch candidate for today.

This is basically where I stand.

[Elyse]

VOTE: Zekrom

Mollie is still scummy but zekrom is just pissing me off at this point. He's useless.

Also, mollie, I think poro's point is that you are going after tman for being inactive and going on V/LA when there are people who haven't even posted yet. Why go after him and not them?

[Elyse]

VOTE: Zekrom

Mollie is still scummy but zekrom is just pissing me off at this point. He's useless.

Also, mollie, I think poro's point is that you are going after tman for being inactive and going on V/LA when there are people who haven't even posted yet. Why go after him and not them?

the difference is that tman HAD posted and then went on v/la after no solid content and 2 votes you cannot compare that to 2 people who had not posted yet. its like trying to compare epithelial tissue to connective tissue it should never be done.

Yes you can.

[Elyse]

Mollie what happened between you calling me town and scumreading me again?

Your reason are absolute shit (I wasn't trying to figure out Nikanor after my RVS vote on page 1...?) and you are being too confident/sure of yourself when your reasoning is awful at best.

[Elyse]

I said it was obviously a joke in reference to my sig.

My vote was not OMGUS. You changed your read on my twice for no reason and it warranted a vote.

I can't get a read on Nikanor because he's weird as hell but gun to my head I'd say town.

[Elyse]

Mollie I'm asking you questions but you're ignoring me again

[Elyse]

@mollie
The questions about your read change on me

[Elyse]

@mollie
The questions about your read change on me

I did explain that.

Where

[Elyse]

@Mollie
So you didn't answer it before?

I will say that your Nikanor/me scum angle makes me feel a little better about you because I see where you are coming from but it is still weak as hell and you know it.

As far as not scumhunting, you are the only really scummy person who has posted a lick of content, so that kind of sucks. I have a townread on Poro and Gooner. UT and Nikanor are hard to read so I will deal with them later. GC is completely neutral because his posts seem very calculated and could come from town or scum. Leaning scum on DeathNote as well but besides his ignorance of our discussion early on he hasn't done much. Zekrom is useless and I want him dead. No one else is really coming up on my radar. I don't know what you expect from me. I can't pull reads out of my ass if there's nothing to base them on.

[Elyse]

@mollie
I was talking about answering my question about your read change on me.

My read on Zekrom is a scumread. He's scummy and useless.

I lost my "deathy impetus" when his answers to my question didn't really push me one way or another in my opinion of him.

I am not going after GC next. I'm saying my read on him.

I don't care if you are uncomfortable with where I am putting UT and Nikanor. If they do something that makes me sway one way or another, I'll point it out. They haven't so far and I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Elyse is rude.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda....

vote: Zeek

Proxy vote with Poro please.

What is this

[Elyse]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Formerfish

I agree with this. His vote on Zekrom seemed really opportunistic and his earlier content gives me zero town vibes. Plus, zekrom's shot is easily verifiable.

[Elyse]

I still can't get over Fish's reaction to TWO votes on him. It seemed so ridiculously over the top and I can't find a reason for it because it's not like his previous posts were overwhelmingly town.

I don't really agree that his emotions are genuine, but even if they are, why does that make him town? Caught scum can have genuine emotions of being afraid of their lynch or angry they're in the spotlight.

[Elyse]

also... are you really saying you wouldn't trust him to send "kill: player x" to the mod? really?

To be honest, yes. I don't trust zekrom to do that and could see him not sending it in or killing whoever he wants.

unvote

Sorry if this makes me look bad but screw it. I can't lynch him.

I forgot to mention this before but I don't like this. You are focused on your appearance here and you didn't give reasons as to why you couldn't lynch him.

[Elyse]

Yeah yeah I know I just hope he doesn't bring down someone useful.

Also no one said happy scumday to me so I hate you all.

[Elyse]

you are town because you are so fucking town. You could be buddying me, but you wouldn't be doing that if we were both scum, and I don't see your read on me being that off.

I might be reading this wrong but it's almost as if you posted this under the assumption you are scum.

You say that mollie wouldn't be buddying you if you were both scum. This makes it sound like you are scum, faking figuring out mollie's alignment.

And then you said you don't see mollie's read on you being that off, but she's reading you as town...?

I still can't get over Fish's reaction to TWO votes on him. It seemed so ridiculously over the top and I can't find a reason for it because it's not like his previous posts were overwhelmingly town.

I don't really agree that his emotions are genuine, but even if they are, why does that make him town? Caught scum can have genuine emotions of being afraid of their lynch or angry they're in the spotlight.

Elyse, how much do you actually know about my game play?

I know that you don't know the difference between manner and manor.

[Elyse]

Limited access atm but you're still set on lynching fish when zekrom is off the table for his claim?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UT

Can we just lynch you today instead

Vig is different than doctor.

A vig claim can be tested and a doctor claim is a common fakeclaim for scum.

[Elyse]

Please show me where I said his claim was 100% verifiable.

[Elyse]

Yeah, I'm not buying fish's claim. Seems to me like a hasty road block to stave off his impending lynch.

I am, however perfectly happy with UT's test circle. The WIFOM is not insurmountable, and either way it limits scum options.

I'm gonna finish reading then put together a reads list and a list of who I've played with before.

lets lynch star!

or pisskop that reads was terrible

In 100% agreement with this.

I didn't like that post by sthar at all but I can't quite articulate why.

[Elyse]

star and I have never been on the same team

are you scum this game?

are you freaking kidding me

this is more along your likeable scum game than the 1 time I saw you as town

The only time you saw me as town was when I replaced into a 100 page game right before lylo. I had to get serious there fast. I was just wondering if we get to be on the same team finally.

Your reaction looks good though

(also I totally sent a bitch-pm to desp when he sent me a town role. You can check with him in post. I was kinda hoping to be scum with you. Then I realized that ABR wouldn't have replaced out if he were scum.)

The bolded seems like you are pacifying Mollie and it is fishy because you were just all "BRING IT ON" with her.

The underlined is OTT and unnecessary and looks like you are faking towniness.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: sthar8

[Elyse]

@GC
I was referring to this:

lets lynch star!

Really? Bring it fool! <3 I'm about due for a policy lynch.

How do you feel about marquis?

and then mollie said this:

I like marquis for town right now. do you not?

It seemed like pacification to me.

[Elyse]

Mollie you just said you can't read UT and are leaving that to everyone else. When I said I am putting Nikanor and UT off for later because I can't read them you said you were uncomfortable with that.

[Elyse]

They are the same thing and I'm not spinning anything into anything.

[Elyse]

They are the same thing and I'm not spinning anything into anything.

no they aren't and you sayig so doesn't make it true

but lets play the tape all the way through shall we!

elyse: I want to leave nika and ut alone. <--- preempts future actions as in you won't be voting them or putting pressure on them or even looking at them until some undetermined time in the future

mollie: I can't read ut <--- means exactly what is says it does as in their is no caveat for current or future avoidance, which is what you did.

the 2 are nothing alike. LIKE NADA CHICA

No.

I said I can't read nika and ut so I am putting them off until later. I later said that IF something alignment indicative sticks out, I will point it you. You saying that I won't vote, pressure, or even look at them is a complete misrep. I am just not worrying about them at the moment.

You said you can't read UT and are relying on other people to read him. So you are allowing other people to post their thoughts if something sticks out, but you aren't going to worry about them yourself.

It's the same thing. You saying it's not doesn't make it true.

[Elyse]

If anyone is leaving ut alone it's you. I'm saying I'll get to him and you're saying you flat out can't read him.

The bottom line is that neither of us are worrying about them AT THE MOMENT. For different reasons, yes, but acting like what you are saying is completely different from what I said is wrong.

[Elyse]

I'm not not lynching sthar because he's actually a semi-intelligent person.

He didn't even make a defense. He just said he's a bad D1 lynch. I'm don't want to kill like 3 potential townies just because they are idiots when there is a legitimately scummy person.

Sooo yeah if you guys decide to lynch out of the moron pool that's fine. I'll be voting for sthar.

[Elyse]

sthar is posting minimal content, pacifying mollie after engaging in an argument with her, and dropping forced, fake towntells like "Desp asked me to replace into this game and I raged when I got a town PM. You can check with him postgame." and "I have a townread on mollie. So happy to finally be on the same team." He keeps mentioning that he's town and he's not a new player so this is throwing up several red flags.

I know that this playerlist is useless and all of these people are worthy of a lynch by sheer stupidity/lack of content/poor play:
pisskop
Zekrom
Formerfish
Marquis
RadiantCowbells
OhGodMyLife
evilpacman
Malakittens

but that's way too many to start settling for a lynch on a shitty/nonexistant player. We need to lynch scum and I'm most confident that sthar is scum. Zekrom can kill out of {pisskop, Marquis, RC} to eliminate one. If one doesn't die then we lynch Zekrom anyway. I'm just afraid we won't get another opportunity to lynch sthar because he's very slippery and everyone in this game gets distracted easily.

[Elyse]

sthar is posting minimal content, pacifying mollie after engaging in an argument with her, and dropping forced, fake towntells like "Desp asked me to replace into this game and I raged when I got a town PM. You can check with him postgame." and "I have a townread on mollie. So happy to finally be on the same team." He keeps mentioning that he's town and he's not a new player so this is throwing up several red flags.

I thought I was scum because I wasn't defending myself against mollie? Where did that go?

It's still there. Instead of addressing mollie's points, you try to get her off your back by townreading her and saying you are a bad D1 lynch.

I don't think you can call 'not posting content' a scumtell ITT, unless you think we're in LYLO.

I don't get this nor do I understand how LyLo has anything to do with this. You aren't stupid and haven't posted any original content. It's all rehashed filler that everyone generally agrees with. (Your post about Marquis) That is a scumtell.

I'm still arguing with mollie, so you're going to need to go into more detail on the whole 'pacifying' thing.

You were like "BRING IT ON" and the minute mollie starts going after you, you're like "your reaction was good though" and you townread her. Yes you are arguing with her but you are trying to calm her down and get off your back.

Your 'fake, forced' towntells are actually alignment neutral, which might be why you think they're bad towntells.

No they are not. No townie makes fake, forced scumtells.

And I keep mentioning that I'm town because the argument against me is effectively 'he's totes scum' to which the only reply I can make is 'no, still town.' Insisting on your alignment might be a scumtell when it's done for no reason, but that doesn't apply here.

No it's not and yes it does.

I'm quite disappointed in your reading of my posts. It seems like you're stretching 'tells' to fit your narrative rather than the other way around. Are you afraid of me, Elyse?

No are you afraid of me?

[Elyse]

Why are we lynching a doctor without a counterclaim on Day 1? That's stupid.

Also v/la until Monday.

[Elyse]

I still think you are scum but even if you are a town roleblocker, town roleblockers fuck up town more than they do scum most of the time.

[Elyse]

I still think you are scum but even if you are a town roleblocker, town roleblockers fuck up town more than they do scum most of the time.

and vigs?

Well in this game a vig is good to get rid of dead weight.

I still think you are scum but even if you are a town roleblocker, town roleblockers fuck up town more than they do scum most of the time.

I am bookmarking this cos that is single stupidest most retarded thing I have ever seen posted in a mafia game ever on 8 different sites. like holy shit

Have you ever read one of your own posts before?

Anyway, town roleblockers often block town actions and rarely block scum actions. What is so hard to understand about that?

[Elyse]

And????

[Elyse]

Zek basically claimed scum when he said he didn't think he would be cc'd D2, right?

It's really weird that both of the alleged vigs targeted each other but I'm not going to spout conspiracy theories until we get a flip.

VOTE: Zekrom

[Elyse]

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

[Elyse]

Honestly, the one thing that got me looking at evilpacman18 was this:

I don't like sthar. He posted a read list "in the interest of transparency" meaning he's more concerned with peoples' perceptions of him than posting reads because they convict him into lynching/defending certain people, etc.
Also he's got like a third of the playerlist chalked up to VI (including myself, which I can't remember playing with him but whatever) which normally indicates a town read (it is a VILLAGE idiot, after all), but in the case of someone like fish, who he says he doesn't really believe the claim, meaning he's reading him as scum, it's either a mislabeled null-read or intentional dissonance. Either way, his dismissal of so many players as VI is some indication that, again, he's more interested in looking actively engaged than being so. zekrom's 959 is more typically dull posting from him but I think he accidentally tripped over the discovery that sthar doesn't actually have much at all and for a full playerlist reads post, it leaves me at least still quite unsure of what sthar thinks.

This post is written at a time when sthar is already taking a lot of heat, but only has three votes on him. And the entire post is bullshit! "Intentional dissonance," REALLY? evilpacman18 doesn't even vote sthar until two other people hop on the wagon, making this post even worse, since sthar didn't post a single thing in that time.

VOTE: NIK

last time someone said 'honestly' during a post they were scum. Sayin 'honestly' is a classic scum tell because if you were already honest about it you didn't need to emphasize honestly

I was going to go through every post of evilpacman18's and make up some bullshit tell on everything he said, hoping it'd get him lynched. Instead, I decided to point out the one post that I actually found scummy. Hence the "honestly".

Lol
VOTE: Nikanor

[Elyse]

You're voting me based on one post?

Instead of asking this dumb question, why don't you respond to his case on you?

I actually think epm could be scum but that response by Nikanor was horribad.

[Elyse]

RC u suk and shud feel awful about ur self

>:(

[Elyse]

@Elyse

- Where u go?

Still here. I agree with mollie that serra's post was hedgy and he looks scummy.

Don't have much else to add. I didn't like evilpacman complaining about only being voted for for one post but Nikanor did the same thing kinda. The main thing that bothered me about his explanation of using the word honestly was that an explanation was unnecessary. I use honestly in my daily life all the time and it's completely unnecessary. Honestly, apparently, and literally are three words I need to stop overusing, but the use of the word "honestly" has changed and it doesn't necessarily mean someone was lying before.

[Elyse]

I was more active and confrontational Day 1.

[Elyse]

I'll try

[Elyse]

@Elyse

- Where u go?

Still here. I agree with mollie that serra's post was hedgy and he looks scummy.

Don't have much else to add. I didn't like evilpacman complaining about only being voted for for one post but Nikanor did the same thing kinda. The main thing that bothered me about his explanation of using the word honestly was that an explanation was unnecessary. I use honestly in my daily life all the time and it's completely unnecessary. Honestly, apparently, and literally are three words I need to stop overusing, but the use of the word "honestly" has changed and it doesn't necessarily mean someone was lying before.

I am back on elyse is scum like when does she agree with me ever

VOTE: elyse

I thought you were better than that.

[Elyse]

I don't think PerV or Marquis is scum. Marquis is reading more as frustrated town who is impressed with his Day 1 play and does not understand why others don't see it.

I just have a townread on PerV.

[Elyse]

@serra
You keep mentioning that I might be scum at the end of a sentence like it's an afterthought. It looks to me like you are keeping your options open because you haven't actually provided a reason for me as possible scum.

@Yates
I just get that vibe from Marquis. I don't really know how to explain it. You could certainly be right that he's scum expecting towncred, but him blatantly asking for it makes me think he's just frustrated town because I don't think scum would be that open about it.

@whoever asked for my PerV read
His paranoia of me seems genuine, I've played with him as town and scum and this reminds me of his towngame, and I understand his reads progression and it seems logical.

[Elyse]

If Mollie discredited the lynch then why aren't you going after her for it? You're trying to make her more scummy instead of explaining yourself and it looks really bad.

[Elyse]

Mollie has a habit of tunneling which leads me to believe she might be town? I really don't care enough to read into her at this point with so many other better options.

RC is town. The best we can do with her is try and convince her to vote with town.

How do you get a townread off RC?

VOTE: Malakittens

There is a lot of resistance to her wagon which IMO is a good sign. Most of the resistance is talking about why she isn't scum rather than why she's town, which is another good sign. I also think her flip will be informative and it's not like she's being useful.

[Elyse]

@GC
Yates is really the only one giving solid reasons against the Mala wagon, but as I said, he's not saying she's town - just not scum.

Other people are just saying Mala is meh and not a priority, but literally no one is saying OMG stop voting Mala she's town guys. And unless Mala is realllly bad I don't see everyone scumreading/nullreading/not giving a shit about her if she's town.

[Elyse]

Pesky prods. Nika looks incredibly bad for leaking daytalk knowledge. I think that means mala isn't scum, at least not with Nika. Further, if mala is a scum-encryptor, I wouldn't expect her to also enable daytalk for other QT's, so that'd be a strange thing for her to add.

I'd be more comfortable with this for today:
VOTE: Nikanor

THIS IS DEAD TOMORROW.

[Elyse]

VOTE: serrapaladin

[Elyse]

Actually DeathNote makes a reallly good point. I like that better.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nikanor

[Elyse]

I don't want to just flake either because that's not cool so please can someone explain why we lynched Malakittens and who the other mason is, if it's outed information?

Yeah you can die too.

Why the hell would wanting to know why we lynched scum and the identity of a mason be at the top of your priorities as town?

Short list for death:
Nikanor
Serra
RC

[Elyse]

A)
C)

I like.

I never paid attention to Serra. Why?

Comb through his ISO. His last post yesterday was god-awful.

[Elyse]

Meh probably

[Elyse]

*continues to ignore GC*

I would be fine with a serra, Nik, or RC lynch today so I really don't care what happens.

[Elyse]

I think we are in a good place atm and I don't want to change the focus of everyone. My scumreads are being scumread by other people so I'm not going to ~rock the boat~.

[Elyse]

With the amount of VIs, it's very telling Nikanor specifically asked Zekrom to replace out.

[Elyse]

@GC
What is the point of the questions if you don't think suspicion could be gleaned from it?

[Elyse]

I want GC's motivations for answering them. Idc if it makes me look bad.

[Elyse]

*asking

[Elyse]

Ok maybe I'll answer tomorrow if I have time but I'm going to be really busy so don't keep your hopes up.

[Elyse]

VOTE: serrapaladin

[Elyse]

Why isn't the votetag working?

[Elyse]

Mollie has a habit of tunneling which leads me to believe she might be town? I really don't care enough to read into her at this point with so many other better options.

RC is town. The best we can do with her is try and convince her to vote with town.

How do you get a townread off RC?

VOTE: Malakittens

There is a lot of resistance to her wagon which IMO is a good sign.

Most of the resistance is talking about why she isn't scum rather than why she's town, which is another good sign. I also think her flip will be informative and it's not like she's being useful.

Why would "a lot" of resistance to her wagon be a good sign?

She did nothing and people having feelings for her at all is suspicious.

Malascum would have only one or two scum buddies who could conceivably be providing the type of resistance to a wagon to make that wagon look more appealing to join. How are you synthesizing those two points that stand in opposition to one another?

They don't stand in opposition to her. It takes one dissenting opinion. People are easily swayed.

@GC
Yates is really the only one giving solid reasons against the Mala wagon, but as I said, he's not saying she's town - just not scum.

Other people are just saying Mala is meh and not a priority

, but literally no one is saying OMG stop voting Mala she's town guys. And unless Mala is realllly bad I don't see everyone scumreading/nullreading/not giving a shit about her if she's town.

I did a quick skim of what I thought was the relevant portion of D3, and I didn't see posts to back up this bolded portion of your explanation. Can you please provide examples?

K:

Still not liking Elyse and need to give mala some thought. Also, I don't wants to be prodded.

So the current wagon is on mala because she didn't quick hammer? Is that the basic gist?

Fancy reading the thread before posting?

Simmer down. What am I missing?

That'll do.

Right. So this is your case:

Mala is lurking
Mala voted for mollie instead of Zek
Mala claimed she would vote Zek but didn't because "no quick lynch"

Am I missing anything else? I mean...

1. Mala has claimed to be sick thus not posting. I have been sick thus not posting. *shrug* Is this uncharacteristic for her? I'm not sure I've played a whole game with mala and if I have I don't know her meta. Outside of meta, I read this as null.

2. Do you know something about Mollie's alignment the rest of us don't? Point being - just because she didn't vote for Zek [or was even wrong about his newb label] doesn't mean she's wrong about Mollie. I'm not scum reading mollie but wtf do I know?

3. I'll give a minor scum point for the no quick lynch claim - but only because Zek ended up being scum.

@pisskop

- Do you have anything outside of meta on Marquis [and possibly the bitching]? One game isn't super convincing.

I remember I was voting Mala before the post loss but there was some reason I had why I didn't again but I don't remember (probably had something to do with not trusting Mollie's reads or Mollie herself). Actually I don't even remember if I'm voting Mala now.

@pisskop I actually can't see the difference in those two games you referenced except for that I lurked excessively as scum (half as many posts in that scumgame of equal length) so if there's anything specific that you want me to dismiss...... just tell me? idk

Lets not lynch molle

or mala

. UT, why is Mala a better lynch than Marquis?

and it's lynching pisskop

UT is playing for a double mislynch

Z-man. Who did you target.

That did almost nothing for me. Liking Marquis less, UT less.

This . . . shouldn't be a surprise.

I don't buy scum Mala. Im not going to defend her, but let's lynch better scumz.

That should be good.

Also, reading through that Day 3 again made me realize we should lynch pisskop.

And if pisskop flips town we should lynch UT and if pisskop flips scum UT is basically conftown.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pisskop

[Elyse]

Mollie what is the scum motivation in my actions

[Elyse]

so I guess it IS going to be bipolar mafia all over again, isn't it mollie?

you've spent this whole damn game ignoring scum lynches and tilting at windmills that NO ONE ELSE CARES ABOUT and I guess I'm just your latest one

it's fine, we can win this game without you

Why aren't you scumreading her?

[Elyse]

Why does Serra keep escaping the noose

[Elyse]

DeathNote, my dude.

Vote Serra.

Is serra really that good of a lynch? What makes him any better then say... RC or Tman?

Or Yates even...

Hell, most of the player list is just as bad as Serra if not worse. What in particular did he do to appear scummy? I assume it is a relational tell but I don't remember seeing it.

HE KEEPS ESCAPING THE NOOSE AND HE'S HAD A GRAND TOTAL OF ZERO GOOD POSTS.

Stop dismantling the wagon and hop on. That goes for everyone.

[Elyse]

I would be fine with lynching RC no matter what Serra flips.

[Elyse]

Lol I didn't realize.

How many votes are on Serra?

[Elyse]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: serrapaladin

-----[]

[Elyse]

Yeah I'm going to trust mollie on this one.

VOTE: notscience

Happy UT died. I was getting nervous about him.

[Elyse]

Yeah I'm going to trust mollie on this one.

VOTE: notscience

Happy UT died. I was getting nervous about him.

I didn't like this post cos I am racking my brain to try to remember if elyse has ever trusted a read of mine in a game and I can't remember any.

You said ns lurks as scum and I'm taking that at face value since I know you have experience with him. In the other game I played with him he was town and very active.

[Elyse]

Also, reading through that Day 3 again made me realize we should lynch pisskop.

And if pisskop flips town we should lynch UT and if pisskop flips scum UT is basically conftown.

Based on your Day 3 reading, do you think the reverse of your flip-reveal holds true -- that is, now that UT is flipped town, pisskop's replacement is likely scum?

I think pisskop is likely scum but not because of UT's flip.

[Elyse]

Also, reading through that Day 3 again made me realize we should lynch pisskop.

And if pisskop flips town we should lynch UT and if pisskop flips scum UT is basically conftown.

Based on your Day 3 reading, do you think the reverse of your flip-reveal holds true -- that is, now that UT is flipped town, pisskop's replacement is likely scum?

I think pisskop is likely scum but not because of UT's flip.

why?

pisskop tried to dismantle the mala wagon

[Elyse]

Ugh this game.

In the GC/Ythan argument, I like GC a hell of a lot more and can certainly see where he's coming from. It also reads very town that he's actually scumhunting and stuff because tbh this game has drained a lot out of me and I can't imagine how tedious it must be for scum.

[Elyse]

In the GC/Ythan argument

What's your read on Ythan? I start thinking he's Town then he does something derp like the GC/Ythan thing or trying to rush a lynch on a replacement.

It was town but he's being over the top about GC and is way too quick to shoot down anything GC says. He's overdefensive and jumpy. I don't want to lynch either today but I would definitely lynch Ythan over GC.

[Elyse]

Ythan looks better and GC looks worse after Kagami's flip.

[Elyse]

Do one of them have to be scum?

no

[Elyse]

VOTE: Nacho

I think the scum team was incompetent before replacements from Kagami's posts. pisskop was already a big suspect of mine and mollie is the person that can read Nacho best so when she says he's scum he probably is.

[Elyse]

I'm voting Elyse currently because her reads are shallow: example of this is when she goes "Ythan looks better, GC looks worse" from the Kagami flip, presumably because Ythan was on the wagon and GC wasn't. Going into this process was nothing signifying a deeper thought process, just that shallow sort of observation that pretty much anyone with eyes could figure out. Elyse is a better player than that.

Actually it's because GC started an argument with Ythan and tried to get people to wagon him instead of Kagami. He could be town, but I'm saying Kagami's flip makes it seem less likely Ythan is scum and GC is town, which is what I was thinking previously.

VOTE: Nacho

I think the scum team was incompetent before replacements from Kagami's posts. pisskop was already a big suspect of mine and mollie is the person that can read Nacho best so when she says he's scum he probably is.

Another example of horribly shallow reasoning: "Mollie died last night suspecting Nacho, Nacho must be scum!".
I don't see what the incompetent scumteam point adds to Elyse's point here, either.

That's not what I said though?
I said mollie can read you well and I trust her read on you. Mollie was dying last night regardless of her read on you. She crusaded to lynch a scum slot all day and was pretty obvtown about it.

I'm saying that pisskop was incompetent and fits into Kagami's description of the scumteam's actions.

[Elyse]

Is anyone against lynching Nacho? Is anyone actually townreading that slot?

I liked Bulba's post but am fine with lynching that slot because RC fits into the inept scum category.

[Elyse]

If anyone can determine who's scum or a conftown from the no kill please share.

VOTE: Bulbazak

[Elyse]

I'm voting Bulb because of RC.

Also this isn't strong at all but last time I played with Bulb he was town and was more all over the place and emotional. I realize it's only one game and he could've changed, etc. but it's something.

There are eight people alive, right?

How many scum are left? 1 or 2? How many scum are usually in a game this size?

If a PR can confirm someone I highly suggest claiming. But only if you can confirm someone.

[Elyse]

I don't see why scum would purposely no kill with potential masons around...is there a chance they forgot to kill?

If we massclaim and find no PR that could have prevented the kill, then we could start looking at people who were inactive at the time. Just a thought.

[Elyse]

Can someone please answer my questions

[Elyse]

WAS THAT SO HARD

[Elyse]

Eh, I'm conflicted. Like, I can see where a scum read of Yates would from. Yates hasen't exactly had the best track record. So, that kind of makes me want to read him as scum. Except, there are some things that give me pause. First, Bulba seems to be scum reading Yates for the wrong reasons. He focuses a lot on the thing with Marquis which I don't see as scummy at all. In fact, I still don't understand why Marquis made this post. I do not see how Yates was attempting to get the mason to out. I also, don't see how he was setting himself up as a mason claim. This should have been easier to see with the benefit of reading it all at once. Second, I still feel like Yates is town. There are some things he's said recently that give me that impression. I could actually see both Bulba and Yates as being town. That would leave Ythan and DN, which could be correct. I'd be happy with a Ythan lynch, but I think that wouldn't give us as much information. I'm going to go with a Yates townread today, but I'm not sure who I'd want to lynch betweeb DN and Bulba. I'd like to hear what GC thinks.

This is town.

[Elyse]

yeah they are

[Elyse]

So I'm almost conftown right? Unless Yates is gambitting.

Woo.

Still want to lynch Bulba today, but Ythan's post above mine is fishy. Literally.

P-edit:
yah

[Elyse]

My bad. I didn't realize this was day 8.

[Elyse]

Tman is obvtown to me I don't get how you guys don't see it.

Let's just lynch Bulba. Everyone agrees.

[Elyse]

Do not want to lynch: Yates, Tman, Marquis, DN, GC

[Elyse]

Bulba is obvscum.

If Yates ends up being scum then I take full blame for this loss.

But I would bet money he's town. His reasoning for protecting me is legitimate and Bulba trying to discredit him and lynch him rather than go after someone else is very telling. Scum don't want to have to waste a shot to kill him and then kill me.

[Elyse]

Um obviously no one is buying what you are selling. If he is scum, then it will become clear when he doesn't die at night. Also, he has to keep protecting me (duh), and if I ever die, he can be strung up since, you know, the mafia roleblocker already died.

Basically, if he's town, he should die tonight or the next night. If he's scum, he might last a while longer but the tradeoff is that scum can't kill me until he dies.

You haven't realized this and I know you would have if you were town. He didn't buddy me. He explained his thought process and his protections make sense.

I guess I'll just come out and say it since there's no point in hiding it anymore.

I'm the other mason.

Poro knew he would die the night he died and said he was worried that I looked linked to him. Yates obviously picked up on this and if he was scum there is no way in hell he would make this crazy gambit and tie his life to mine rather than just flat out kill me. He's town.

[Elyse]

kbye

[Elyse]

I tried to make it seem like there wasn't another mason but I guess I failed. It's not a fakeclaim by me. Tman was the third mason.

Still don't know what the hell is going on.

[Elyse]

I was calling tman obvtown. He didn't cc me (though I didn't think he got the chance to post), but why the hell would I claim that when I'm not?

[Elyse]

He didn't cc me (though I didn't think he got the chance to post), but why the hell would I claim that when I'm not?

I guess I'm not understanding. You're saying all three of you were masons together, right? If so, why WOULD HE counter you? Seems like if he had seen you claim he would have ALSO claimed and said it was a 3 mason team or something... What am I missing here?

I'm saying that if I was scum and was claiming mason, why wouldn't tman counter me?

Answer -> I'm not scum.

To me it's down to Ythan/GC today. Ythan has been on my radar and I hate all of GC's posts today. The first one seemed to try to rush the game to an end while the second seemed fake.

[Elyse]

I think a no lynch is best.

[Elyse]

Claim

[Elyse]

I want to no lynch. I still don't trust your slot 100% and I can't figure out why tman was killed. If we are both alive tomorrow, then one of the other people dies and the scumpool is reduced. If you die, I am conftown and my paranoia is put to rest.

Either way, I don't want to lynch and lose today when we could have better odds tomorrow.

[Elyse]

k
VOTE: No Lynch

[Elyse]

Ugh fuck this game.

I want to apologize to Bulba in advance. Sorry Bulba :/

I feel like I'm screwing this game up for town. Part of me wants to lynch Antihero and the other part wants to lynch Ythan but then every time GC posts I get shivers. Marquis was the only kill I didn't want to happen and of course it happens. I guess DN is my strongest townread now.

[Elyse]

Where IS Ythan?

[Elyse]

Here goes nothing.

VOTE: Ythan

[Elyse]

Ugh I feel so dumb. I do think if I actually tried post-mollie's death I might have been able to solve it but I don't think I would've lynched DN. The nurse claim was good but only worked because of the lazy gamestate and I am truly sorry to the town. I played very poorly.