MS Fantasy Camp 2: Reaper's Tale! (Finished!)

[Flipping Awesome]

I'm a bit sick right now but I'll post when I get home.

Posts like these are what show that he genuinely believes in his scumreads. Whenever players post, he asks for their read on Venmar and tries to see if he can get their vote.

[Flipping Awesome]

@LLD-what is your Venmar read?

Also, I read through Nero Cain's scumgame and realized that the markers that I'm using for him aren't as good as I originally thought so I need a reset especially since my other head disagrees.

Or maybe PA is just an idiot and you shouldn't listen to her. Now vote scum Venmar with me.

^ These posts I mean.

[Venmar]

Nero Cain is the best lynch, stop fooling yourself. His push on me was the most absurd peice of shit I have ever experienced in my mafiascum career

[Flipping Awesome]

Nero Cain, when I said I didn't have a town read on you and thought you might be scum, you outright dismissed me as never reading you right. I went through games and determined that as town I actually did read you right more often than not. You ignored that conclusion entirely. Of course, while this was going on there was also the ongoing 172 that's now over where I stuck to my (correct) town read on you even though it contributed to your suspicion of me. And while you were going on about my auto-scum reading you, depending on when the spoilered dead QT kicked in you knew I'd read you honestly and correctly.

So since you're disinclined to take me seriously, I'll just keep observing and let F-16 in on my read status. Because arguing with you when you've already dismissed me as an idiot doesn't exactly seem productive.

Well, I was wrong too. I legit believed that you had never read me correctly (aside from when you were scum) but yea I wasn't wrong. *shrug* All I'm saying (or atleast trying to get across) is that I'm paranoid of you two 'cause this whole "I think you are scum but I'm not going to talk to you." 'cause I feel like that's a stance that scum would take. If it makes you feel better I'd lynch several slots before you!

but in any case, if you guys aren't lynching TH, can you guys help me kill scumVenmar.

His paranoia here feels unnecessary as a scum move but understandable as town. If he was scum, he's unlikely to get us to join his "lynch Venmar" scum agenda by putting us down as a possible lynch as he does a few posts later.

[Venmar]

Constantly saying "Lets lynch Venmar" over and over again is town, I agree.

[chamber]

Stop looking for reasons why people are town. Seriously.

[Flipping Awesome]

I'm going to flip town and then you guys are lynching off my wagon. Reck and Plum can use these posts to suggest that they should not get lynched or something idk....

Not perfectly happy with this vote or lynch. But quite tolerably so.

This still feels bad man

I can't really explain it, just seems like they are building up to distance themselves.

Paranoid town theories about scumteams. Scum don't think like this so naturally while they are being lynched. This is a townie thought process and it is apparent he is trying extremely hard to find multiple scum in order to help the town after his lynch.

[Plessiez]

UT, why are you voting for the person Venmar wants dead when you previously had your vote on Venmar?

Too lazy to link, but UT was voting for Nero well before switching to Venmar. So the switch back to Nero when the Venmar wagon became obviously unviable doesn't bother me much.

I'm a bit more curious/paranoid about UT's reluctance to say anything at all about kanye, but that's not really something I think worth talking about today.

Here's why Nero Cain is bad lynch and likely town

... I'm not actually persuaded by much of this. Which is odd, because I tend to agree Nero is probably not a good lynch. (You don't think "no lynch" is better than Nero though, do you? Because right now, I think those are the only two options.)

[Venmar]

Stop looking for reasons why people are town. Seriously.

Yay we agree on something!

[Flipping Awesome]

UT, why are you voting for the person Venmar wants dead when you previously had your vote on Venmar?

Too lazy to link, but UT was voting for Nero well before switching to Venmar. So the switch back to Nero when the Venmar wagon became obviously unviable doesn't bother me much.

I'm a bit more curious/paranoid about UT's reluctance to say anything at all about kanye, but that's not really something I think worth talking about today.

Here's why Nero Cain is bad lynch and likely town

... I'm not actually persuaded by much of this. Which is odd, because I tend to agree Nero is probably not a good lynch. (You don't think "no lynch" is better than Nero though, do you? Because right now, I think those are the only two options.)

We can lynch Venmar as well if a bunch of people switch. What are your thoughts on him?

[chamber]

Venmars not getting lynched in the next hour.

[Venmar]

Yay!

[Flipping Awesome]

Oh, about UT: I asked him why because it feels incredibly unlikely that Venmar and Nero Cain are scum together considering them going after each other for the majority of the game. It doesn't feel like scum-scum interaction at all. Add onto that that if they vote on the same wagon, they get an extra vote: I feel like they are at least not part of the same scumteam.

[Cerulean]

Awake for a minute. Want to go back to sleep. Do I need to move my vote?

Probably not.

I'm here to hammer Nero if needed -- just holding out because

I'm a stubborn idiot

I still think kanye is the better lynch.

(You could always move to kanye, I guess?)

I'm thinking. I just might not stay awake while doing it.

[Shadoweh]

The only thing persuading me Nero might be a bad lynch right now is how he's not here to vote and save himself. That could just be timezones, but it's always ick to me when that happens. I do not think people are going to resolve their differences of opinion today without flips.

[Shadoweh]

I'm thinking. I just might not stay awake while doing it.

STAY AWAKE FOR 52 MORE MINUTES
FUCK IF I CAN DO IT YOU CAN YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO KEEP MY EYES OPEN

[Venmar]

I feel like they are at least not part of

the same scumteam

.

W-wait what?

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 2, VC 24

Venmar - (2):

Nero Cain

, Cerulean

kanyeknowsbest - (5):

Plessiez, Zdenek, Tim Howard, Plum, Flipping Awesome

Nero Cain - (7):

chamber, Shadoweh, Venmar, Lady Lambdadelta, xRECKONERx, kanyeknowsbest, Untrod Tripod

Not voting - (1):

Nobody Special

With

15

alive it takes

8

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:

11th of May at 8:10pm

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-05-11 15:10:00)

No one is V/la.[/area]

Think that VC is right. On my phone. Less than 1 hour left.

[Cerulean]

I'm thinking. I just might not stay awake while doing it.

STAY AWAKE FOR 52 MORE MINUTES
FUCK IF I CAN DO IT YOU CAN YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO KEEP MY EYES OPEN

Yeah but you went to bed at a decent hour last night and I stayed up until 7 something.

[Flipping Awesome]

Ugh, yeah, final answer with some sleep is that I don't think this is scum-Nero. Possibly too little too late, but.

Cerulean, do you actively think kanye is town? Which side of the fence, gun to your head?

[Flipping Awesome]

I feel like they are at least not part of

the same scumteam

.

W-wait what?

Penguin and I wondered if you could be part of different scumteams back in D1 but I think it is less likely now with only one kill N1.

[chamber]

Tammy will choose the bullet.

[Flipping Awesome]

Because your vote makes a kanye lynch possible. And I think going back to my normal 'read NC off all non-PA interactions' does show town-NC.

--PA

[Venmar]

Penguin and I wondered if you could be part of different scumteams back in D1 but I think it is less likely now with only one kill N1.

That's.... okay

[Plessiez]

Getting tempted to hammer. Move your vote to kanye soon if you're going to, Tammy.

it feels incredibly unlikely that Venmar and Nero Cain are scum

This does seem unlikely. Not merely because they're voting for each (scum can do that pretty easily?) but for the general manner in which they've interacted, especially during day 1.

The only thing persuading me Nero might be a bad lynch right now is how he's not here to vote and save himself. That could just be timezones, but it's always ick to me when that happens. I do not think people are going to resolve their differences of opinion today without flips.

I don't know what this post is supposed to tell me. Why would Nero being here and posting make him a better lynch?