Organic Chemistry [GAME OVER]

[PeregrineV]

Vote: mastin2

Was worried about you there for a while...

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Im serious.

Thank you whoever gave us that 1-shot Day cop ability. Naturally we used it on PeregrineV and PeregrineV is

Mafia

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I'll let you guys have your petty RVS, but I fully expect him to be lynched by P5 at the latest.

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Also lets have a flavor claim of whether or not we are organic or inorganic.

Snork and I will start. We're organic!! Popcorn mastin!

It's called a Chemist ability.
You forgot the vote.
P5 won't lynch me.
A 1-shot Day Gunsmith would have been cooler.

[PeregrineV]

I fully intend to interpret any discussion of 'organic compounds' as discussion of body fluids. Yup, I'm 12 years old and you can see where this is going.

Also my role pm is broken. It's a bunch of c's and d's on like a treasure map or something. And they don't even spell anything.

VOTE: BipolarChemist

Methamphetamine cannot be a town role despite being organic. Are you a traitor or a serial killer?

p-edit fuck you jingle i get the rvs.

My favorite RVS vote for 2014 (so far).

Vote: BiPolarChemist

Real Heisenberg or desert biker gang knockoff?

[PeregrineV]

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I did put this through Google translate.

Results were disappointing.

[PeregrineV]

The PR is in binary. I found a translator.

https://www.google.co.uk/intl/en/landin ... oranimals/

[PeregrineV]

Duo-bird will get tired and post normally, eventually.

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Sorry I'm behind, guys. Will catch up tonight/

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I'm back.

Will need to look over everything because my brain un-mafia-ed while we were on break.

[PeregrineV]

Unvote.

Sorry, I remember nothing from this game.

Will restart read from the beginning.

[PeregrineV]

Don't really want to read back, so let's plunge right in.

Vote: MTD

Sheeping Guilty because.

[PeregrineV]

There are 4 townies and 13 scummies. Its a p simple game afaict.

Errrr reverse that.

~Noted. This is the same type of metal mistake I make as scum.

VOTE: Guilty Gunsmith

Do you want to drink with me? I got plenty of alcohol. Or are you content being scum?

Majiffy, stop policy lynching and help me lynch scum. I think Doduo has a post restriction.

Doduo's probably just living in the moment because our last organic chemistry was straight-forward wrt setup.

Also, nothing in your post makes me lean scum, which is good. Your vote doesn't make sense, since I don't think Gunsmith made any mental mistake either, right? This isn't a complicated game. I'm sure glad we don't have to memorize anything for a chem test, or do a post-lab and pre-lab

has this been linked to already? wont read right away but would like for later.

[PeregrineV]

I'm typing with one hand

This needs to be in the official smiley collection.

[PeregrineV]

OK, caught up. This hopefully means I will remain so.

Not willing to lynch today:

Majiffy
Titus
Guilty Gunsmith (Snork + AngryPidgeon)
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)
vezokpiraka
Perpetual Nonsense (Bert and SXTLHGaiden)

Willing to lynch today:

Bipolarchemist
Doduo (notscience + Marquis)
Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8)
ZZZX
mastin2
MTD
pirate mollie
Bulbazak zabriel
Wickedestjr
beastcharizard

[PeregrineV]

And my vote is good for now.

[PeregrineV]

Take Mollie out of the lynchables.

She can claw her way out or squirt her way out, but she's good there for now.

[PeregrineV]

OK, caught up. This hopefully means I will remain so.

Not willing to lynch today:

Majiffy
Titus
Guilty Gunsmith (Snork + AngryPidgeon)
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)
vezokpiraka
Perpetual Nonsense (Bert and SXTLHGaiden)

Willing to lynch today:

Bipolarchemist
Doduo (notscience + Marquis)
Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8)
ZZZX
mastin2
MTD
pirate mollie
Bulbazak zabriel
Wickedestjr
beastcharizard

why are you willing to lynch me perv

you haven't even interacted with me. nor are you raging going "mollie must be scum!" like you did in desp's ny game.

I've decided against defending null or scumreads. I tend to do that, and it's probably not the smartest thing, since my nullreads are more often scum than my scumreads. Instead, I want to lynch non-townreads.
And you were town in that game, right?

[PeregrineV]

Point:

I still believe saki is town and I don't underatand why people scum read them.

Counterpoint:

Because they're scummy as fuck.

[PeregrineV]

i don't even care what majiffy is doing can we just lynch saki

UNVOTE:
VOTE: saki

~~quack~~

First vote on Saki.

oh cool it's on this page lol

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bipolarchemist

bigger wagon

~~quack~~

Unvote.

Sakitown

Oh boy a gut read posted from my phone when I was drunk.

Excellent find, sir.

VOTE: Saki

Second (and only) vote on Saki.



So either you think Doduo is scum, I'm scum, both scum, or there's an invisible scum hand of god making this one-vote "wagon" go.

Mastin, Mastin, Mastin. This isn't Town-You.

@Mastin- plus Majiffy just got off the Lying Cat wagon, which you are on. Please explain "scum-driven".

[PeregrineV]

PV can officially move up from "would rather not lynch" to "leaning town" btw.

Majiffy, what are you going on about? Mastin saying ridiculous things makes mastin scum since....when exactly? Yes, her recent comment is blowing my mind. No, that doesnt make her scum?

Yes, Im making sense possibly?

Do I get a certificate?

Making Mastin actually justify random bad comments is a "good thing", all the time.

[PeregrineV]

quack

[PeregrineV]

I dislike ZZZX's answer about why he isn't voting. Mostly that he focused specifically on why he isn't voting Charizard rather than explaining why he isn't doing anything with his vote in a more general sense.

But Im probably confirmation biasing at this point.

Snorkel and I officially agree that Titus is town, so if we could not lynch any of these people Today:

PN, Vezok, mastin2, PV, Titus, Doduo, BPC, Mollie***. that'd be fantastic.

Not willing to lynch today:
Majiffy
Titus
Guilty Gunsmith (Snork + AngryPidgeon)
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)
vezokpiraka
Perpetual Nonsense (Bert and SXTLHGaiden)

I'll trade you Majiffy for Mastin, Speedy for Mollie. For today only. Doduo has yet to pop for me, but I can see the potential in Mastin/Mollie.

[PeregrineV]

I dislike ZZZX's answer about why he isn't voting. Mostly that he focused specifically on why he isn't voting Charizard rather than explaining why he isn't doing anything with his vote in a more general sense.

But Im probably confirmation biasing at this point.

Snorkel and I officially agree that Titus is town, so if we could not lynch any of these people Today:

PN, Vezok, mastin2, PV, Titus, Doduo, BPC, Mollie***. that'd be fantastic.

Not willing to lynch today:
Majiffy
Titus
Guilty Gunsmith (Snork + AngryPidgeon)
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)
vezokpiraka
Perpetual Nonsense (Bert and SXTLHGaiden)

I'll trade you Majiffy for Mastin, Speedy for Mollie. For today only. Doduo has yet to pop for me, but I can see the potential in Mastin/Mollie.

Scumreads Mania 2014

Buy and Sell your scum reads.


Expand you scum reads to earn you more points


Win grand lynches!


Sorry I just had to say this Lol

Day1 PoE is usually so boring and haphazard. This time it will be fun!!

[PeregrineV]

Damn it, I challenged myself to make my previous post with a completely straight face.

I lost...

P.S. - AP didn't really get a warning for those of you who don't get jokes.

I thought your account had been hacked.

[PeregrineV]

oh good lord majiffy what happened to your avatar? *gasp*

Rofl it's a family crest I made for a game that's starting soon.




Catching up now.

Maybe you could re-do mine....

[PeregrineV]

Jiffy/mastin - objective read on mollie?

- Snork

Town until the end of days.

Is there a reason we haven't lynched me yet? I have claimed VT, my flip provides a massive amount of info, and there is way too much paranoia going on regarding other slots over my alignment. Flip me and move the fuck on.

Everyone should either vote me in their next post or explain explicitly why they are choosing not to, because it is inherently anti-town not to and an unreasoned lack of a vote will be taken as an immediate scumclaim.

Game1 I thought you were scum because you acted like this. You were town.
Game2 I thought you were town because you didn't act like this. You were scum.
Game3 I thought you were scum because you didn't act like Game1. You were scum.
This game I think your town because you act like Game1.
Get it?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Doduo

Don't like Titus wagon and developing a day1 fondesss for Lying Cat.

[PeregrineV]

Yes but IDGAF.

You asked.

And stop overreacting just because someone argues with you. It really fucks up your game.

[PeregrineV]

There is too much being left up in the air because I haven't flipped. Like people scumreading Mollie. And NOT scumreading Mastin.

Doesn't matter. Without extenuating circumstances, all three are people I'd rather lynch NOT day1.

[PeregrineV]

It's just that I noticed that up to now I only did readlists in my scumgames and therefore I always fear people will use it as a tell when really it's mostly because I had more time at certain points in those games.

town. why the fuck would anybody highlight a scumtell that they know that they have.

Confess before you're caught so you look more sincere. it works for politicians.

Anyway, won't give him more than a null for it.

[PeregrineV]

It's like being denied a job before even interviewing. And it's fucking stupid and I quit. I mean what kind of shitty play is this... I think mollie is scum and yet I still try to get a conversation with her and she might as well have spit in my drink.

p-edit well fuck you too titus

why don't you just vote us then

Because I'm giving you a chance to actually prove you are town. I do feel you fucking slipped but we have similar reads in other places so I'm going to fucking leave you alone for now. I'm not voting you yet. Deal with it.

Big fan of slips, if they are real. Where did this supposedly happen?

[PeregrineV]

I'm willing to give all of my reads. That's a fucking twist. It is a perfectly legitimate read to say that someone appears scum but you're still sorting them. It's also known as weakly leaning scum. Sorry I didn't use the right buzz word.

Oh please, when I ask for a game of Majiffy and Mastin getting into a dickwaving contest as you put it... you refused. Sorry, that is shutting me down. I don't give a shit about Mastin's interactions with you or Majiffy's interactions with you. I see that in House Party. Until I have a more apt example, I'm going to suppose that is their normal behavior with each other. I'm not looking up irrelevant shit.

then why do you think they are scum? (or 1 of them)

cos I don't get it if you have had experience with this

Town Mastin and Majiffy went through a game where they never had this "dickwaving contest", so what's changed where they need one here? They were both town and I had to work extra hard to fuck with them. Here, no one is fucking with them and they are at each other's throats... why? What changed? Players don't change that quick that fast. One of them is most likely scum.

What game?

[PeregrineV]

err.... where is beast on the vote count?

he's voting doduo. second vote.

omg.. why does that line go up like that.. i totally missed doduo.

THAT IS A SHIT WAGON

BPC being there makes me disappointed. i really liked his posts.

also PV. i

think

could be town? not really sure. kinda resembles the same play from ny 172.

While I enjoy his posts, not really sure what you find town about them. Mind pointing it out?

[PeregrineV]

My scumreads currently are MTD and doduo.

I am willing to

lynch

torture to death by never lynching GG and Majiffy so they can go insane in this hellhole


Strongest town read bar Vezok and PN are beast charizard and perhaps mollie maybe

What makes Beast a townread?

[PeregrineV]

There are 4 townies and 13 scummies. Its a p simple game afaict.

This.

Titus believes it's a slip because "4 good guys". To us, it's obviously not. She believes this can only come from scum. Fact is that we're town, so obviously not, and that is false. Our flip can and will confirm that. End of story.

- Snork

Well, if you had given some numbers that seemed non-standard for a game this size, I might give that more credit. But since 16 is usually 12-4, I think this one is probably 13-4. And I get that you said 4 townies and 13 scum, but figured that was your humor shining through.

Short version: Not a slip

Off topic:
9 scum, 4 town (A fun time was had by most)
9 scum, 4 town (Didn't go near as well as I wanted/planned)

[PeregrineV]

PV - it was more about the way they felt compared to NY 172. Very similar kind of "idgaf I'm having fun" tone. Not a solid town read by any stretch, and totally a snork read as I haven't discussed BPC specifically with AP yet.

- Snork

p-edit: Hi Sthar I want to chat with you.

Ah, not BiPolar, I was talking about Duoduo

[PeregrineV]

There are two factions in this game. An organic town (13 players) and an inorganic mafia (4 players).

I know this is a polite way of saying read the OP....

[PeregrineV]

Cross-talk

[PeregrineV]

Majiffy/Mollie/Saki/PV/Lying Cat/beast

Our four scums should be in there. Please pick a scumtean from that group.

This provides that GG is town. Given only my scumreads are minorly pushing yhe slip and GG agrees with me, I am supposing I am wrong for now.

Very unlikely.
I think Majiffy, Saki town.
Mollie, Beast are pretty much null.
Lying cat is null-trending-up.

[PeregrineV]

Checking in.

[PeregrineV]

7 pages back. catching up.

[PeregrineV]

Prod and deadline notices received. Will be reading today/tonight.

[PeregrineV]

Prod and deadline notices received. Will be reading today/tonight.

Moving this out a day or two, since another game took more time that I anticipated.

[PeregrineV]

24 hour deadline notice received.

Will read back and forth, but input appreciated.

[PeregrineV]

Take it back. Only going to read forward. Need to understand why Mastin is such a popular lynch candidate on day1.

[PeregrineV]

Why do people say 'you can't trust atoms'?

Spoiler:

Because they 'make up everything'!

Have you heard about the chemist who was reading a book about helium?

He just couldn't put it down.

[PeregrineV]

Still playing catchup, but since he is the largest wagon, is there a case for acscum?

[PeregrineV]

Saturday check-in while girls get ready.

@Titus-

since I'm going to, I was kind of asking for a summary. A summary of reasons or conclusions, the summary of which then I can compare to reality.

Do you have that summary?

[PeregrineV]

OK, skimmed the rest of day1 in the interest of recapturing interest. And time.

Asked about acfan wagon, Majiffy (2021), Beast (2091), Saki (2110) were the votes/reasons, with GGun all over the place, but not currently there.
Reading BiPolar and I can see that, but I really like 2006. Would like links to back up the interpretation, but the fact he's got lists and reasons I do like.

@acfan

- For your statements where it's relevant, can you show which posts, or at least give examples?

The new current large wagon is Saki for Bulba (1928), Titus (2048), acfan (2006), Marquis (2135).
I liked Saki's posting early day1. I don't recall anything concrete, but i also didn't see anything today that reinforces that read. But, aside from Bulba's reason (and maybe ac), there's not much here either.

Let's go in descending order of worst vote so far.

Vote: Marquis

[PeregrineV]

no

VOTE: gg

unless they come up with something awsum which I sincerely doubt.

toe in the sand.

This is an interesting choice since pretty much everyone has them as obvtown. I did see some things early on which set me off but hm.

ZZZX v. GG looks so town v. town really.

@acfan

- For your statements where it's relevant, can you show which posts, or at least give examples?

I am not sure what this question is asking and can therefore not adequately answer it.

I was referring to this.

I think scum is in:
Titus, Lying Cat, Speedy Saki, Bulbazak, beastcharizard, and MTD (dark horses for scum would be peregrineV or Majiffy (who I can never get a read on))

Titus vs. Saki yesterday looks decidedly Scum v. Scum, and Titus's hammer post sets off so many alarm bells.
Bulbazak has basically not contributed any original thoughts and if GG is town (which I think they likely are) then Bulbazak is almost assuredly scum
Lying Cat's presence has sort of gone away since the pressure was lifted off of them though IIRC that's not entirely for in-game reasons
beastcharizard is mostly a gut thing.
MTD has just been abdicating responsibility for all of his actions and most of his early posts are textbook active lurking

Bulbazak, beastcharizard, and Speedy Saki were all off the wagon yesterday so I think we should lynch one of titus, Lying Cat, or MTD, and I actually feel like the best option right now is VOTE: MTD.

Titus - Saki scum-on-scum
Bulba echoing others (it seems like you are saying he is basically copying others. If this is the case, would like to see where you see that. if you just are generally saying Bulba is not presenting original information in a slam type way, then nm).
Lying Cat- I agree, nothing needed here.
MTD- Posts where he is "abdicating responsibility".

[PeregrineV]

Jesus mollie, do you want to hear about my work life? I'm stressed as FUCK about it because Im basically being audited by my boss extensively and told I need to do things better, one of which I fucked up today.

If you want to talk to me then talk.

Job trumps mafia. Stop posting, shut down the window.

[PeregrineV]

I was referring to this.

I think scum is in:
Titus, Lying Cat, Speedy Saki, Bulbazak, beastcharizard, and MTD (dark horses for scum would be peregrineV or Majiffy (who I can never get a read on))

Titus vs. Saki yesterday looks decidedly Scum v. Scum, and Titus's hammer post sets off so many alarm bells.
Bulbazak has basically not contributed any original thoughts and if GG is town (which I think they likely are) then Bulbazak is almost assuredly scum
Lying Cat's presence has sort of gone away since the pressure was lifted off of them though IIRC that's not entirely for in-game reasons
beastcharizard is mostly a gut thing.
MTD has just been abdicating responsibility for all of his actions and most of his early posts are textbook active lurking

Bulbazak, beastcharizard, and Speedy Saki were all off the wagon yesterday so I think we should lynch one of titus, Lying Cat, or MTD, and I actually feel like the best option right now is VOTE: MTD.

Titus - Saki scum-on-scum
Bulba echoing others (it seems like you are saying he is basically copying others. If this is the case, would like to see where you see that. if you just are generally saying Bulba is not presenting original information in a slam type way, then nm).
Lying Cat- I agree, nothing needed here.
MTD- Posts where he is "abdicating responsibility".

Sure.
Titus/Saki - don't really think this is s v. s anymore because of Majiffy's claim of evidence that Titus is not scum, but their interactions on page 73 are what gave me the strongest sense that was the case.
Bulba - his big read post. It looked like Bulba was trying to give the appearance of having put in a lot of effort into making his reads. However, basically all his reads were restatements of the general popular opinion at the time.
MTD - 894, 1731, 1890.

Titus/Saki- OK. Not seeing what your seeing but given I want to/do beleive Majiffy right now, kind of moot.
Bulba- I'll admit, I'm a sucker for a reads list that includes explanations. And the most suspicious thing about the post was the lack of quote stripes, but overall, I mostly agree with the town reads. I'll take your word that it was the prevailing opinion at the time, but does that mean you feel his reasons were made up or disingenuous?
MTD- I see where you mean that. However, 894 finding Mastin town then 1890 deciding to sheep GGun onto Mastin is scummier to me.

Vote: MTD

[PeregrineV]

I'm sorry this took me so long.

I am convinced that Majiffy and Titus are both town after seeing the claimed pr result.

Given that I was probably wrong on two of my day 1 scum reads, mastin2 and Titus, I think my reads need recalibration. I still think Vezok and GG are both town in addition to Majiffy and Titus. That leaves: ac1983fan, Marquis, Lying Cat, ZZZX, MTD, Speedy Saki, pirate mollie, PeregrineV, Bulbazak, and beastcharizard. I checked meta for all of these slots and am now feeling better about the following three slots;

Marquis- Yesterday I was leaning town on Marquis. After checking his meta, I feel even more confident. This looks like town Marquis. Moving Marquis from "neutral leaning town" to "town".

Speedy Saki- I was suspicious of Speedy Saki yesterday, but I have reread and changed my mind. In general, I don't get the impression that they really care too much about receiving town reads. Even the MS/ZZZX exchange looks good for MS. I don't like their bandwagon. I'm moving this read from "neutral leaning scum" to "neutral leaning town".

beastcharizard- I gut read him as scum, but I cannot remember what posts gave me that bad vibe. Instead, I'm starting to think that he's actually pretty fearless/confident in his words and votes. His play here also seems closer to his town game than his scum game. /Moved from "neutral leaning scum" to "neutral leaning town".

That leaves: ac1983fan, Lying Cat, ZZZX, MTD, pirate mollie, PeregrineV, and Bulbazak. <-- I think the scum are among this group of seven. I also examined some of the major D1 bandwagons. My thoughts are spoilered below.

Spoiler: Noteworthy Day 1 Bandwagons FMPOV

Wickedestjr

- 6 (

vezokpiraka, Perpetual Nonsense, Doduo,

Lying Cat,

Majiffy,

MTD)

Lying Cat - 7 (

mastin2,

MTD,

Titus, Marquis,

ac1983fan,

Perpetual Nonsense, vezokpiraka

)

mastin2

- 9 (Lying Cat, MTD,

Marquis, Guilty Gunsmith,

ac1983fan,

Wickedestjr, Perpetual Nonsense, vezokpiraka, Titus

)

Notes- Green = town. Guilty Gunsmith started the mastin2 bandwagon, however, they jumped off and later returned so Lying Cat was on that bandwagon for the longest period of time. So Lying Cat did not start the bandwagon.

The first and third bandwagons were chosen because I know the targets are town. I chose the second bandwagon because it felt unjustified, even if Lying Cat is scum. I have trouble believing that any of these wagons are all town.

Conclusion: There is probably at least one mafia among {ac1983fan, MTD}. In the unlikely case where they are both town, I think there's a pretty good chance that Lying Cat is mafia instead.

Below are my thoughts on my seven non-leaningtown reads.

ac1983fan- He seems to really like voting for suspicious players only if they have support - in general he has taken an interest in bandwagons here. I don't like the strategy (if my top suspect has no support, I try to create support), but it is clear from the meta check that this is a play style habit/tell more than anything else. There is nothing suspicious about his bandwagony behavior. My biggest issue with him is that he was on both the Lying Cat wagon and the mastin2 wagon. Nothing wrong with that in and of itself. However, given the fact that I've already town read most of the other players on those wagons, there's a better than average chance that he's one of the scum on those wagons. Alternatively, the thing I like most about ac1983fan is that he town reads me. Earlier he said that I was his strongest town read. Maybe I'm biased, but in a game where virtually everyone finds me suspicious, I have trouble seeing acscum take such a controversial stance with no obvious scum motivation. I also don't understand/see the case for him being scum. ac1983fan does need to explain his Bulbazak read, though. ac1983fan, why did you say that Bulbazak is scum if GG is town?

Lying Cat- I liked their reaction to my initial vote for them. I like how stubborn they were in scum reading me and wanting my lynch to happen. I even got town vibes from the confidence in their crap case on me. Furthermore, I like their reactions to the complaints regarding their inactivity (even though I support those complaints). I want to town read them, but I am bothered by the fact that they have contributed very little and have consistently been v/la or catching up from said v/las. I think their reactions and confidence is genuine, but the lack of participation is too much of an issue for me to have a "leaning town" read. They haven't displayed interest in scum hunting.

ZZZX- Again, I keep going back and forth. There are a bunch of little things that give me town vibes. Examples include his reactions to MS (especially post 319) and his recent reaction to GG's complaint. My only issue is that it feels like he's been coasting. He's been reasonably active but something feels lacking. He's asking lots of questions but for whatever reason I don't see the scum hunting interest in his posts. ZZZX, who are your top four suspects?

MTD- He seems to be playing without regard for how others perceive him. That's good. In post 1237 he explains that the reason mollie called him town wasn't a good reason. This seems like a town tell, but I can't help but worry that he's scum, aware of the fact that there's no scum motivation for undermining mollie. This is also something that could have been set up for him to try to towntell. On an unrelated note, I have issue with the fact that he seems to be coasting right now. In general his posting seems to revolve around answering questions and commenting on only the recent behavior (recent, at the time of his posts).

pirate mollie- After checking her meta, I can agree that this doesn't look like town mollie. In post 2157 where she wishes she could replace out because she had given up, she blames her defeatist attitude on a lack of town cohesion. I have a few issues with this post; a.) she claims to have given up even though I can't recall her making a noticeable effort to begin with, b.) I don't think we lack town cohesion - at the time of her 'giving up' post, I think there were two reasonably sized bandwagons. c.) It is odd that she would criticize for the lack of town cohesion when she has been 'not voting' for a large percentage of the game and her reads have been fairly independent (e.g. mtd and gg reads). Speaking of mollie's reads, I remember Majiffy said that she was opposed to bussing. After checking a few of her scum games, I believe this to be true. mollie has voted for Titus, GG, and Marquis - I don't think she has ever voted for mafia this game. The Marquis vote is especially odd because five posts earlier (4 hours earlier) she said her top three was ZZZX, LC, and I. BTW, that seems like a very easy trio to suspect and I don't believe that's her top three.

PeregrineV- He hasn't done anything particularly suspicious, but he also hasn't done anything noticeably townish either. Maybe it's just because I haven't played with him before, but upon checking his meta I didn't see any difference between his town and scum play. Bulbazak mentioned that if he's trying to figure out the game, then he's probably town. But IIRC, he was doing this even in his scum games. That's not a satisfying meta tell. I wouldn't be surprised if PeregrineV was mafia just because of POE.

Bulbazak- This is another slot where I didn't notice any distinction between town/scum play. His play here seems fine, but he's competent enough that I think he could fake anything he has done/said here. He could be scum trying to appear pro-town. I get a weird vibe from him, but nothing to explain said vibe.

I wouldn't be opposed to voting any of these seven at deadline. Of these seven, {Lying Cat, ZZZX, MTD} look the best. So my top four would probably be {ac1983fan, pirate mollie, PeregrineV, Bulbazak}, but three of those four are POE reads and I'm not comfortable town reading any of {Lying Cat, ZZZX, MTD}.

ac1983fan is at L-2 right now. There's a good chance that he is mafia and I'm not opposed to lynching him. However, I don't want to put him at L-1 right now and I'm significantly more suspicious of mollie.

Vote: pirate mollie

This is a good start.
Like Majiffy (Titus by extension), GGun (Snork a lot more than AP-sue me), Vezok (with PN flip) as town.

Marquis- maybe you could share the details of the meta search & compare.
Saki/beast will require reread.

acfan- Frankly BiPolar did look bad, and some of acfan's responses to other players seem more nervous, but so far not sold on ac-scum.
Lying Cat- seemed more town yesterday, would prefer a replacement or more activity, with a lynch as last preference among the three options.

ZZXX- Null-pass for now. We share a lot of current games right now, and my preference is for a fresh read once one or two of them end.

MTD- might be scum. vote him.

Mollie- could be scum, let's vote her.

Me- Nicest thing anybody's said about me. With that said, instead of comparing how I play, you could read what I say.

Bulba-avoiding an active read of his posts. It gives me the urge to nitpick then fight with him then vote him.

Anyways, like the post, keep it up, no rope for you today.

[PeregrineV]

@GGun

- I saw and will read that.

@Majiffy

- re:MTD, less hate and more lack of love.

[PeregrineV]

Marquis- maybe you could share the details of the meta search & compare.

His recent scum games: this and this
His recent town games: this and this
In the town games it seems like he tries harder, demonstrates a genuine interest, and is more open with his thoughts. Posts 1479-80 seem to resemble his town play.

OK, I'll look those over.

With that said, instead of comparing how I play, you could read what I say.

I read what you say, but haven't noticed anything particularly telling.

Fair enough.

Bulba-avoiding an active read of his posts. It gives me the urge to nitpick then fight with him then vote him.

This doesn't look good, especially given my proposition that you and Bulbazak are potential scum partners. Why not try to read him without fighting with him? And why is nitpicking, fighting, or voting him a bad thing?

Not really possible, but I get what your saying.
I will at some point. And they are bad things because they don't always tell you something and often create bias towards future posts. As for voting him, it may happen at some point, but not today, by me.

[PeregrineV]

I don't really want to lynch any of the leading wagons. Lets get a Bulbazak lynch going.

You need at least a pro forma case on him if not an actual one.

[PeregrineV]

Would like another Saki vote. Dead even wagons give us more info.

[PeregrineV]

I would like you folks to just take a second and review that particular interaction, the attack/defense between Wicked and LC, if you wouldn't mind. I need some other perspectives as I think I probably have some confbias going on with both slots, but there's definitely something interesting there.

Particularly, I'd like to know if you think it's TvT or TvS (or SvS I guess, but I think unlikely), and if TvS, who, and why.

So, I went through it (double iso). I've liked Wicked's posts recently. He's got reasons for what he states, and he gives those reasons in a way that doesn't sound fake.

Early posting, Wicked calls out Lying Cat for his reads. Lying Cat "gets mad". Part of this reaction gives Wicked a town feel for Lying Cat. LC is then not mentioned for a spell (I think both were V/LA).
Later, Lycing Cat starts on Wicked again.
Wicked responds.

For day2, Lying Cat is listed as Null. The reasons are the same as before.

Going to say that it is NOT scum on scum. If it is, then kudos to both for being able to fake an exchange like that. (not sarcasm btw). Not as heated as some, but continuing to draw attention to a scumbuddy when the "high point" has passed is not usually a scum tactic. If someone takes it seriously, they are then committed to bussing.

Scum on town- Wicked may have liked Lying Cat's reaction, but I didn't. Feeling the need to pull out the fuck-shit-asshole card when you may be effectively the day1 lurker lynch hardly ever comes across as town. If town on scum, then Lying for scum.

Town on town- This may also be possible. When Lying is not cussing out his voters or prod dodging, he has some informational posts. The tunneling is the level that is the borderline between town and scum, so his hard-on for Wicked could also be town.

So, not sure if this answers what you are looking for, but if it came down to a wicked/Lying Cat choice, I'd lynch Lying Cat.

[PeregrineV]

Ok majiffy. I'll trust you on this one, but if you are wrong we lynch titus scum.

unvote
vote speedy saki

Not as helpful. Now need someone not currently voting MTD to vote MTD (with reasons why).

Vote Count 2.85

Bulbazak - 2 (ac1983fan, Wickedestjr)
Lying Cat - 1 (MTD)
Marquis - 1 (pirate mollie)
MTD - 4 (PeregrineV, Guilty Gunsmith, , Bulbazak, Speedy Saki)
Speedy Saki - 5 (Marquis, Titus, Majiffy, beastcharizard, vezokpiraka)
Not Voting: Lying Cat, ZZZX

[PeregrineV]

*sigh*

[PeregrineV]

Lost a more wordy post answer, but polarized, equal wagons provide tighter scrutiny for voters and non-voters (Why did you vote A over B? Why are you not voting A or B?), especially after the flip.

[PeregrineV]

PV, don't you think you are kind of self-defeating here by being overly explicit about what you want? I just read up, I'm alive. Just tired as all get out right now and stressed so gimme some time.

You would think.
But scum off the wagons need to get on the wagon, and make up their reason why.
Town off the wagons need to go through their reads and figure out who they think is scummier/has a better chance of hitting scum.

Unless someone wants to call a scumteam of

Wicked, MTD, Pirate Mollie, Lying Cat, and ZZZX

, or confirm them all town, we will be getting some info.

If the wagons stay close, for whatever reason, then when people switch they should be able to articulate why.

So you 5 need to start voting, and explain why you choose bachelor #1 or bachelor #2.

Anyone else want to move just state a clearly understandable reason why.

[PeregrineV]

PV, don't you think you are kind of self-defeating here by being overly explicit about what you want? I just read up, I'm alive. Just tired as all get out right now and stressed so gimme some time.

You would think.
But scum off the wagons need to get on the wagon, and make up their reason why.
Town off the wagons need to go through their reads and figure out who they think is scummier/has a better chance of hitting scum.

Unless someone wants to call a scumteam of

Wicked, MTD, Pirate Mollie, Lying Cat, and ZZZX

, or confirm them all town, we will be getting some info.

If the wagons stay close, for whatever reason, then when people switch they should be able to articulate why.

So you 5 need to start voting, and explain why you choose bachelor #1 or bachelor #2.

Anyone else want to move just state a clearly understandable reason why.

I feel MTD is null-ish as a read as I cant read him at all and I town read saki. What to do?

Walk us through the thought processes that trigger your reads towards town, or scum, or both, or not at all.

Show us what you think and how you think as you think it.

[PeregrineV]

vezok on titus looks like a territorial "I AM THE ALPHA TOWN" pissing match because as far as i'm concerned those are my biggest townreads

Vezok has explained this since the day started- it's not a pissing match.

[PeregrineV]

I was sheeping perv!

Time to re-sheep. Either MTD or Saki or explain why your choice is better.

[PeregrineV]

Who in their right mind would give anything to majiffy please don't raise your hand.

If

I were in a position to give something away, Majjiffy would have definitely been on my day1 shortlist.

[PeregrineV]

@PV: you should consider rereading LC. And beast. I don't like beast.

Fair enough, will do.

[PeregrineV]

Here. More later.

[PeregrineV]

Haven't read everything yet, but I received 2 inventions last night.

Jailkept Vezok
Bulba is 95% chance probably not scum

(lol @Majiffy- I get it now)

[PeregrineV]

I got the doc. And I docced Acffan but apparently it doesn't matter cause i was jailkept.

I was a little worried about that, but hoped that you wouldn't be given anything.

If you are given the jailkeep from now on and the doc stays on you, that should eliminate that problem and still give us the use of the jailkeep.

[PeregrineV]

Not been 24 hours yet so I'll be patient.

Going to have to look back over yesterday. Pretty sure my wagon/counterwagon thing between MTD/Saki didn't work as planned, but need to read closely.

[PeregrineV]

If you are given the jailkeep from now on and the doc stays on you, that should eliminate that problem and still give us the use of the jailkeep.

This is theoretically good in a vacuum, but there are several problems.

First, scum JK-inventor means that ac00003 would die tonight, as would the existence of a roleblocker. Simply put, there is too much room for scum to manipulate that plan in their favor.
Second, we're not getting the full utility out of the inventor roles that way.

My suggestion is as follows, both ac00004 and jailkeep inventor give out the roles to members of town. Jailkeep targets ac00005, Doc targets vezok. If one of the scum gets the invention, they're forced to play along or risk getting lynched for it. The other inventors should invent up powers for their townreads, but not necessarily vezok.

This forces scum into suboptimal options: 1. Kill outside of conftown and the claimed doc. 2. Play a guessing game to hit a powerrole. Either of those is good for town.

Before any inventors give out their inventions, I would like everyone to check this plan for broken logic.

Whatever our cop power is should clear ac00006 tonight if possible.

Guessing AC claimed something. Let me go check.

[PeregrineV]

Ok found it, 2233.

Yeah, 2688 sounds better barring any shenanigans.

[PeregrineV]

@Mollie

- It's PoE time (kind of) for me. In no particular order-

Town

me
Bulba
Vezok

Town enough

ac1983fan
Majiffy
Guilty Gunsmith (Snork + AngryPidgeon)
Wikced

Not scumreading

Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8)

Null (or People I Learned to Love and Will Willingly Lynch, American Style)

Marquis Doduo (notscience + Marquis)
ZZZX
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)
pirate mollie *
beastcharizard

[PeregrineV]

Monday pre-prod post

[PeregrineV]

9 pages back. Will give this some time today or tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

Only as a compromise vote. I'd rather lynch mollie, but an LC lynch is way better than a Marquis lynch. I'm surprised that you're asking me this because you seemed interested in a mollie lynch yesterday. Where is your read on her now?

I haven't read back yet, but why LC over Marquis?

[PeregrineV]

Only as a compromise vote. I'd rather lynch mollie, but an LC lynch is way better than a Marquis lynch. I'm surprised that you're asking me this because you seemed interested in a mollie lynch yesterday. Where is your read on her now?

I haven't read back yet, but why LC over Marquis?

See 2204 and 2285. Marquis's play today has only strengthened my read since I made that post. Eg the bystander comment gave me town vibes.

K

[PeregrineV]

Limited Access until Tuesday July 15

[PeregrineV]

I also noticed deadline is before, so I'll be back before deadline.

[PeregrineV]

Limited Access until Tuesday July 15

Limited Access until Tuesday July 22

[PeregrineV]

Officially back today, but piled up work. Checking in.

[PeregrineV]

Last 2 days I don't think I've had a chance to post.

Jailed AC and docced vezok either the night before or the night before that
Last night jailkept Vezok

More when I get back, need to move a chair or something.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Marquis

No actions last night

[PeregrineV]

If it hasn't been already, I'm OK with scum QT being released. Any insults or offense taken by anyone, know it was not intended to insult or offend. OK, maybe offend.

[PeregrineV]

Something I said in the dead thread, that I want to reiterate here, is that Wicked was extremely perceptive very early on in the game, and was my first and strongest townread throughout. I think he was really on point with a lot of his observations, and made really good connections with the data he had. I was a little disappointed that his analysis seemed to go ignored for a large part of the game.

Of course it had to be ignored!

[PeregrineV]

Day 1's Three Major Bandwagons

Wickedestjr - 6 (vezokpiraka, Perpetual Nonsense, Doduo, Lying Cat, Majiffy, MTD)

Lying Cat - 7 (mastin2, MTD, Titus, Marquis, ac1983fan, Perpetual Nonsense, vezokpiraka)

mastin2 - 9 (Lying Cat, MTD, Marquis, Guilty Gunsmith, ac1983fan, Wickedestjr, Perpetual Nonsense, vezokpiraka, Titus)

I have almost lost all faith in VCA.

Getting all-town votes on town is extremely rare, especially in large games. I'd chalk it up as an anomaly and use VCAs as you would normally, it served you fine this game when used along with all other tools.