Mini 1591: PFs Flavorless Normal (Game Over)

[Goofyd00d]

Going to give a few reads

I originally liked Reinoe for putting himself out there so much, but as time went on he started to ask questions rather than provide his on content. Only asking questions could be scum feeling out for safe stances to support.

Also the groups of three kind of implant in the answering parties mind that one of the scum at least have to be in the grouping, but its not subtle enough for me to go any further than null on.

I still feel like the amount of exposure compared to some of the people hanging back leans them town to me.

More coming

[reinoe]

Hey cooldog, farside, and red coyote, how many scum in here...

[konowa, sleepykrew, cyberbob]

Why did you pick those three to ask? Appeal to authority?

(my answer is 1 by the way)

I've played with farside before but can't remember where. RedCoyote I've played with before and he was our MVP as the vig. Cooldog I thought I played with before but I actually don't that's the case.

Also which one do you think is scum of the three?

The game was a take on duck, duck goose and I was bp town that got lynched for not continuing my tunnel scum read on bulb.
1 scum read in that group for me. I'm voting for him.
Not sure about cooldog but sk is the annoying puppy that is going to probably be your tunnel for this game.

Oh yeah that's right. I did A LOT OF SOUL SEARCHING after that mislynch. You and EEK weren't scum reads of mine but I still hammered. I felt so stupid after that. It's all coming back to me now. Thanks for the reminder.

Hmm...your reads tend to be pretty good.

VOTE: Konowa

[Goofyd00d]

@ Farside. The guys been on the site for 3 years. How is he an eager puppy with a new toy?

He does read like he's on the spectrum though (that's not an insult, BTW, and is an observation based on his posting style - I have a friend who plays on another site who is on the spectrum and posts in a similar way) which means how he presents is going to be different to how we would assume a player would.

This isn't a defence of his poor questioning either; more his interaction.

Also, glad it didn't offend

In this post Drew jumps to the conclusion that a normal expression is some areas of the US is actually a comment on someones amount of mafia played. Could be a partner jumping to a defense overly eager to help, or just someone who doesn't get that this is an expression.

Drew is trying hard to be well liked and not offend anyone, something someone who only provides useful town content(a townie) wouldn't need to do.

Although its a scum lean, its a 4 post scum lean and I won't support a wagon on someone on V/LA if their return date falls inside the day's time limit.

[Goofyd00d]

Konowa's few post have no glaring alignment showings, at least that I can find, so I'll keep them null.

While the point of questions rather than content stands on Konowa too, its only 4 posts, so I will need Kon to speak up for me.

[Goofyd00d]

While Dessew started out sheeping (admittedly) he has provided a decent amount of content and questions. Putting your thoughts with real reasoning behind them is strong town to me.

The only remark I have to make is that Des calls SK town because of past play of a similar start. Its a bad way to clear someone and build a read, it should be a supplement and not a main reason.

Dess is town.

[Goofyd00d]

Actually Reinoe, why vote Konowa? When IAI said 1, I assumed they ment one of the 3, not the first listed. Any further reasoning?

[reinoe]

Actually Reinoe, why vote Konowa? When IAI said 1, I assumed they ment one of the 3, not the first listed. Any further reasoning?

You're absolutely right that there was a lack of conviction to my reinoe vote. I hadn't actually read anything at that point.

Then why say "yep" as if you're agreeing to something?
I was scum-reading konowa for commenting on the game while voting. OK initially I thought it was RVS. But then the explaination provided in 72 doesn't make any sense. Apparently it wasn't an RVS. Why would you vote "without conviction"? If Konowa had just said it was an rvs vote then that would make a lot of sense.

Also I'm basing some of my Vote switch with farside's vote. Her reads tend to be good from what I've seen.

[Goofyd00d]

I would support a wagon on Red, as he is posting a lot of explanations, but only provides limited content in post 75,

Spoiler: Post75

Mod

, do you mind please putting people that are not voting and also the deadline in your vote counts? It would help me a lot!

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Oh hello by the way....where are my manners?

Scum tend to have less manners.

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This avatar made that little exchange infinitely better.
Thank you AP for giving me this.

Do you change it from good cop to bad cop depending on your mood?

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@ Farside. The guys been on the site for 3 years. How is he an eager puppy with a new toy?

What did farside say that would have anything to do with his site experience?

This isn't a defence of his poor questioning either; more his interaction.

This reads like you're going out of your way to not attach yourself to SK. This post is kind of crappy, imo. Also, I have no idea what your 34 is referring to. I guess you mean the sandy vagina thing? reinoe seemed to take it in stride.

Anyway, this whole post is Drew bending over backwards to appear overly sensitive, overly defensive (of SK), and overly aware that he might be seen as defensive (of SK).

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Anyway. Reinoe has an extremely ironic signature.

Vote: reinoe

Heh. I like this. Better than SK's rationale anyway.

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Please stop making posts like this. He's a grown-up man, let him explain himself.

This. I got the same vibe.

VOTE: Drew-Sta

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On a serious note, since they are in the same post, which will be counted, I assume sleeps because it's lower, but it's the first time I've encountered this.

The lower vote should count unless the mod has any sort of special rules concerning it. Overall good post though.

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Konowa is pretty sketchy though. The personal nature of Skrew's vote makes Konowa's bandwagoning for the same motive unlikely. It's unlikely he has a different motive either, because he didn't post a different motive, and my own perspective didn't see anything scummy in reinoe's last couple posts.

I kind of agree with this. I didn't really "get" what the reinoe vote was all about. I think farside noticed this too. You think she scared him off?

And most of that was pokes at other players rather than reads or content. Since then he over reacted to Bob's mistake (assuming it was one) and made no headway since.

[Goofyd00d]

I see, thanks.

[Goofyd00d]

Pop started out by adding fluff to his posts maybe in some lighthearted attempt to lighten up the start of the game, or maybe to add more perceived content. Since then Pop hasn't contributed a lot of personal reads, rather than a line here or there about the current conversation, and a tunnel on someone who has posted 4 times rather than looking elsewhere while you wait for them to post seems like you either stick to your guns and ignore the rest of the scum(poor town play), or you legitimately think that you can get the target mislynched(scum). I'd like to see your reaction to this thought and how you act about Konowa before I decide which I believe more.

Sleepykrew seems like he legitimately wants to get out of RVS for the right reasons.

I'm still new, but I've noticed that there is always one person who hates RVS and wants to end it, however they usually end it themselves, what kind of read does it give you when someone tries to make others end it rather than attempt to do so themselves? For me its scummy to not want to be in the center of attention, which is what ending it early seems to require.

IAI, Redcoyote can be hard to read, but I'm getting a lack of initiative from him today that is pretty scummy, especially given his meta.

I have yet to play with Red, care sharing the points of his meta you are referring to here?

[Konowa]

Scum tend to be less motivated and to be having less fun, as a rule. That means they are less likely to read the thread, much like you are less likely to read every word of a boring text than of a good novel.That's for the average person, it might not apply to you. Maybe you like playing scum, or you read everything either way but have a meticulous attitude as scum.

So basically you are trying to apply something that varies by user? This is why people dislike meta because of awful use like this. Backed up later on by this quote:

He's human. I'll bet you 1$ he's right handed, and I'll bet you 1$ he plays less motivated as scum. Maybe he's not, and maybe he's not, but probably so

I really dislike how at this point you're trying to force a circle into a square hole. You're using circular logic at this point.

Don't know what to make of goofy sidestepping on Drew in post #202.

reinoe, it wasn't rvs, but I wouldn't have called it serious either. I hit last post, scrolled up to see a vote count and saw you were leading wagon and placed a vote for push. Which is why I said there was no conviction to the vote.

There was something else that I saw that jumped out at me as well. Let me find it.

[Konowa]

I wouldn't start to speculate about Drew's alignment, partly because he's V/LA atm and he hasn't done much, partly because his posts are newbish, nothing else, imo.

This.
Feels like damage control.

[Goofyd00d]

Is it sidestepping to want to hear someone defend themselves before we string them up if they will come back in time and do so? Hell even if we do lynch someone in that situation after the defense it could at least help fuel connections.

[Konowa]

Would also support a RC wagon purely on gut. The question about is this game hard to read comes off as contrived.

[Konowa]

Although its a scum lean, its a 4 post scum lean and I won't support a wagon on someone on V/LA if their return date falls inside the day's time limit.

The way you qualify your position is what I am referring to. Whether or not someone is on V/LA has nothing to do with whether or not you support a wagon. This is different from what you just said now.

[farside22]

Although its a scum lean, its a 4 post scum lean and I won't support a wagon on someone on V/LA if their return date falls inside the day's time limit.

The way you qualify your position is what I am referring to. Whether or not someone is on V/LA has nothing to do with whether or not you support a wagon. This is different from what you just said now.

What so you think pushing a player on v:la does? He can't defend himself. Typical 12 to 13 players have 3 scum so does pushing a wagon on an absent player accomplish?

[Konowa]

For starters, it allows me to get reads on other people. For example, what do you think of this:

I wouldn't start to speculate about Drew's alignment, partly because he's V/LA atm and he hasn't done much, partly because his posts are newbish, nothing else, imo.

[popsofctown]

Pop started out by adding fluff to his posts maybe in some lighthearted attempt to lighten up the start of the game, or maybe to add more perceived content. Since then Pop hasn't contributed a lot of personal reads, rather than a line here or there about the current conversation, and a tunnel on someone who has posted 4 times rather than looking elsewhere while you wait for them to post seems like you either stick to your guns and ignore the rest of the scum(poor town play), or you legitimately think that you can get the target mislynched(scum). I'd like to see your reaction to this thought and how you

I just wanted to get people talking about a lynch with strong merits instead of discussing sleepykrew and reinoe's blind pillowfightings. It seemed like a better catalyst for the development of the daygame. I felt seeing people's reactions to that sort of wagon had more value. RC's lackluster response to the topic has cast much more doubt on him than which of his favorite pillows he roots for, for instance

IAI, Redcoyote can be hard to read, but I'm getting a lack of initiative from him today that is pretty scummy, especially given his meta.

I have yet to play with Red, care sharing the points of his meta you are referring to here?

He usually makes a couple keen observations. He doesn't necessarily crack the whole lobster open and pick the scummeat out day one, but he'll ask a question that seems wise to ask, or be proactive in some other way.
He and IAI are fighting for second place on my list right now.

[Cyberbob]

Is it just me or is this game hard to follow? I blame SK and reinoe.

Unvote

Vote: RedCoyote

I thought it was weird how keen he was to remind me of his agreement with my opinion of reinoe while we were arguing over my "I want posts" post, he was trying quite hard to keep me from forgetting that he was "on my side". That little gut twinge has now been more than confirmed with this post.

[SleepyKrew]

I was promised a Goofy wagon if he kept not answering me and I want my damn wagon.
But an RC wagon isn't terrible.

[Goofyd00d]

I was promised a Goofy wagon if he kept not answering me and I want my damn wagon.
But an RC wagon isn't terrible.

I believe the wagon was promised if I didn't post at all.

[SleepyKrew]

Curses, foiled again.

[farside22]

For starters, it allows me to get reads on other people. For example, what do you think of this:

I wouldn't start to speculate about Drew's alignment, partly because he's V/LA atm and he hasn't done much, partly because his posts are newbish, nothing else, imo.

Meh. Your talking to a person who doesn't push on a v/la person.
I think the post from Drew can be taken with a simple question.

Also I did ask you a few thing about your reasoning.

here
Also does it bother you another person used you term in this game to find Drew scummy?

[farside22]

I'm referring to this from cyber. I knew someone said something similar.
Here bob uses it as a defense for Drew because of a scum read on sk.

re Drew: I don't think he is scum mainly because at this point I do not think SK is scum. The only scenario where it would make sense that Drewscum would verbally cheer on SK's wagon while voting for you is if you are town and SK is his buddy.

Why do you think sleepykrew's case is not forced, melodramatic, and contradictory?

He's barely made any case at all against you aside from asking questions which have mostly either gone unanswered or have been answered by other people. You started flipping out at him in Post 46 which was before he'd said anything at all about you other than "hey everyone should join my wagon".

[PokerFace]

Day 1 Vote Count:

Konowa (4) - farside22, popsofctown, Dessew, reinoe
SleepyKrew (2) - Goofyd00d, CooLDoG
Drew-Sta (2) - Konowa, RedCoyote
reinoe (1) - Drew-Sta
Goofyd00d (1) - SleepyKrew
CooLDoG (1) - I Am Innocent
RedCoyote (1) - Cyberbob

Not voting (0) - No one

with 12 alive its 7 to lynch

Drew-Sta is v/la until 7/28/14

Deadline 8/7/14

(expired on 2014-08-07 20:00:00)

Let me know if I missed any votes, please. Doing a check to see if anyone needs a prod. People needing prods are: No one
Damn son! Back in my early days the activity overview was not as helpful as it is now. It is awesome, it even says who set V/la in their profile