Micro 370: Gerrymander Mafia (Game Over)

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I've played with all of ya'll except mollie and ETL.

HI XAY. You have played with me but you don't remember. I may have been under an alt.

You were Wax. The last scum that I townread until the end. >.<

All of these posts are weird and awkward to me:

First!

Vote: Xayzeck

Becuz I know you

hey guyz

whats going on

@ mod: permanent v/la on weekends

altho I will still be able to post in spots

I am going to RVS
VOTE: Brian Skies

For reference, I've played with Xayzeck and pirate mollie before.

Vettrock's is the most awkward and weird though and mollie's probably the least.

VOTE: Vettrock

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yesh XD Maybe now I realize it was probably strange for you that I wanted to hydra with you LOL

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Social Media

what.. who is this.

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Brian Skies
Xayzeck
EspeciallyTheLies
Not_Mafia
Majiffy
Maestro
vettrock
pirate mollie
OkaPoka

wat

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ok so.. politics. and stuff.

how do we influence social media??

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are we talking twittr or what??

CABD I DEMAND TO KNOW YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA OF CHOICE

I actually have no idea what to do with that at the moment. I also wish people would post more.

I AM IN RVS LIMBO.

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EspeciallyTheLies (1): Social Media (L-4)

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interesting this occurred when JIFFY SHOWED UP...


HMMMMMMMMMMMM

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mhm

vote vettrock for wins jiffy.

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it could be you too, oka. you made that weirdo comment "go social media lel?"

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unless someone gives me a better reason.

u r full of ess

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LOL.... okayyyyy

Vettrock, why would you wait for someone else to give you a reason to move your vote?

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That's implied with vote changes. What I'm wondering is why you felt the need to explicitly point this out. Like, why did you feel it was necessary to tell us directly that you are scumhunting when it is expected?

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And again in 45... you explicitly reinforce "town votes".

P-edit: FFS M I AM NOT TALKING TO YOU. Wth.... guilty conscience? ?

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I dont care to spec about the social media thing until i have more info.

Right now, vettrock is scumming up the thread with every post and I am wondering why no one else is talking about it.

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21. Do not use temporary information to convey messages. This includes your signature and your avatar, but is not limited to these things.

y u no read rules oka

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wtf. why is the p-edit NOT WORKING?!

besides oka - i cant see your sig for some reason anyway...

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either way it's WIFOM now till it's on a lynch wagon

it's on obvtown tho

say waht...

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Right now, vettrock is scumming up the thread with every post and I am wondering why no one else is talking about it.

Looking at his other games it looks like a playstyle issue to me

No.... there's a difference between "this person's playstyle has a disingenuous TONE" and "he is deliberately trying to plaster the idea that he is town IN THIS THREAD".

This is not a playstyle issue. (Why are you defending him? Weird...)

I am going to RVS

"Do not read anything into this vote please."

I'll wait for everyone to join in before moving my vote,

unless someone gives me a better reason

.

"LOOK EVERYONE! I am scumhunting like a good townie. I will not vote anyone willy-nilly, NO SIR. Not me."

All

town

votes are based on others behavior

"See? What did I tell you? I am town, voting cautiously, not being scummy at all. PLEASE BELIEVE ME."

p-edit: Well then social media will be on me the whole game. Cuz.. I don't.. yeah I dunno. I can't not post what I think. You can spam all you like and try to beat my post count in the early stage here if you like to test it out.

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It's ok Vett. You have given away your alignment in your first few posts and that makes me happy.

p-edit: Am I the only one who actually read the rules?

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No.... there's a difference between "this person's playstyle has a disingenuous TONE" and "he is deliberately trying to plaster the idea that he is town IN THIS THREAD".

This is not a playstyle issue. (Why are you defending him? Weird...)

Because I had much the same thought as you and looked at his other games and he does that weird RVS declaration thing all the time

But.... that's not the only reason I'm scumreading him..

p-edit: I am just going to quote everything I reply to...

p-edit: NOT ENGLISH is a form of post encryption. Translate or stop it. Please <3

p-edit: M THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND OF DP THAT I KNOW OF... AND I DON'T THINK XAY IS DOING THAT...

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EBWOP: So kindly explain what you are talking about*

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Oh. Well Xay you are already above me now.

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hahahaha cabd....


M didn't read ALL THE RULES!

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Its too hard on mobile
I can try.
VOTE: etl

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^^^ sarcasm, for those of you who... do not get sarcasm.

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ETL are you a Publicly Hated Townie?

IT IS CABD ;_; I AM SURE OF IT.

moar vett votes plz. i wanna see some red.

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Brian has a point. 9 players but there are 10 votes available for distribution. Should be 6 to lynch.

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lol vett... that's not opportunistic, omgus-y or NotScumhunting at all /s



like.. of all the people here, I'm the scummiest? That's pretty hilarious.

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makes it very difficult

for scum

to lynch

FTFY

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lol vett... that's not opportunistic, omgus-y or NotScumhunting at all /s



like.. of all the people here, I'm the scummiest? That's pretty hilarious.

Well There isn't a lot to go on. 80% of the chatter has been speculation about the social media vote. Since we are assuming this isn't bastard, I think it is reasonable to assume it is a doublevoter, the third type on the wiki which is PM based. I would assume that to be the case unless Cabd tells us otherwise.

There's not a lot to go on? So, what... you're still random voting? I think there are enough posts to find direction, and yet... you chose... me... lol...

You

aren't scumhunting

.

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UNVOTE:

Figures.

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Xay - Do explain how unvoting a double voter "stinks"?

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Yeah M. It figures someone like vett gets the damn dv. And not me.

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It's the meh whatever attitude reaction

Am I supposed to act surprised? He confirmed himself by moving the vote. It would be different if he didn't.


And I have a fever so. Yeah. Meh. I'll figure out what to do next when I feel better.

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Don't be an arse

Take your own damn advice.

You wanna see excuses, go play with RachMarie sometime, then tell me about excuses.

Until then, please kindly do what Maestro said, and fuck off.

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Look, I've dealt with players who say "I'll update my reads tmr" and then say "work is busy" and then say "work is busy" and then continue to lurk the rest of the game.

When you get to know a player better and have enough games with them, you build trust. Unlike you I have no reason to trust anyone. So I can't play relaxed until I get to know the player. You can be more relaxed when you know the player.

Hey dipshit. Do you see me doing that? No. You don't.

Have I lessened my posting frequency? Yes a little.

Have I gone completely absent and given excuses about how I'll post tomorrow? No. I haven't.

So this is a bullshit reason to act like you're "paranoid" about me, when in actuality, you're just being rude.

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Oka was rude without reason. End of story.

Looking forward to mollie posts.

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My scum read is ETL and leaning on Maestro.

lol

"lol"

yeah. lol. you must suck pretty bad then if you think i'm scum.

you have only defended vettrock and given no reason to scumread me other than disliking the fact that i am ill.

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I hate this bias that is going to fuck town in the end.

wth are you even talking about here?

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Like.. do you really think we are such terrible players to townread someone just because we are friendly with them?

Seriously?

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Maestero

p-edit: Oka... you attacked ME.


.....


you attacked me.


And what makes you think I'm NOT paranoid? Because I'm not LAMISTing all over the thread about "ooo I'm so paranoid of you because you have a sniffle!!"

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Your whole vibes are giving me scum.

Your radar is off then.

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catching up

give me few

* a few

Yes. Where is mollie?

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Seems kind of like what okapoka was going on about, being paranoid about people prod dodging and shit.

I guess that's why he voting for me.

:lol"

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oh fail.

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Alright so I took a look at the VCs thus far.

(speaking of...

cabd, our most beloved thread stalker, wherefore art thou forsaking us?

)

mine

--- Anyway.

Of all the votes that occurred on Vettrock, Xay's is the most suspicious in that it followed with no explanation of his own, and happened immediately. Checking his other votes show more opportunism (much like oka's).

Vett's at least came with reasoning, even if faulty. Xay has no reasoning. Oka has contradictory reasoning.

VOTE: Xayzeck

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mememememee

hi mollie i missed you over the weekend.

considering oka but don't really wanna put at L1 and I have not decided if he really believes his own BS or not yet.

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maestro and mollie are town for now though. mollie hunting out the townreads pretty clearly. i like. vettrock town for now as well - i dont think scum dv. brian skies, xay and jiffy questionable/unknown at the moment. must read more in depth.

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not_mafia somewhere in between and oka out to the side with a big wtf question mark.

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calling her obvtown awkward and buddyish

this and sheeping vett vote are my main reasons for voting xay at the moment.

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Mollie I expected you to vote oka. Which means youre probably town. And I think I know what you see but it feels playstyle after the maestro oka 1v1.

I wouldnt mind xay. Think about it.

Now that Organic Chem is over, I get to tell you that you stink at reading mollie

But I agree here so...

Mollie:

Why oka over Xay? Any reasoning that does NOT have to do with Maestro?

Re: Maestro - his original ragepost gave me townvibes. The rest seems pretty over the top. Like... actually really really over the top. I mean, I know he's a sassypants and fairly dramatic, but this is a little... weird. Do you not get the same feeling?

Town

{Vettrock, Brian Skies, Majiffy, mollie}

Eh?

{Not_Mafia, Maestro}

Scum

{one of Xay/Oka, and probably one from "Eh?"}

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That's all you have to say about my post? "Why are you not townreading me?" If you have to ask that question, I really feel like you haven't been reading my posts.

Why should I think you are obvtown?

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No, I haven't brought it up before.

There is an equal wagon on both of you. So, either you are scum and Oka is the selected town counterwagon, Or Oka is scum and you are the town counterwagon. While there is a small chance that both of you are town or that both of you are scum, it is far more likely that one is scum and the other is the counterwagon intended to split the votes and derail the scum lynch.

Pretty basic mafia theory.

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Then who is scum, Xay?

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mollie is pretty obviously town here. She's been actively looking for town reads and reaffirming them for herself with each post. That's what mollie does when she's actually looking for scum. I'm not worried about her.

Maestro does rage as town. He rages as scum too but he has a difficult time making it look genuine. This is the problem I have with his later rageposts here. Early rage posts were probably very genuine. Not alignment indicative really, but it did make me think he was town. later rageposts erased that for me. I am waiting on mollie as I think I might trust her read on him better. It's been a while since I've played with Maestro. I'd say I knew him better last year.

Not sure how you see me being partners with Oka. That really makes no sense. I'm willing to vote both of you to get the flip.

Also, your whole "disconnected peripheral" nonsense is just that. Nonsense. I'm an extremely active poster

during the weekdays

as my computer access at work makes it very easy for me to keep up. We have had just one weekend, where it was not only a weekend, but where I was under the weather, and call it "disconnected peripheral". I really don't think you are taking the game as a whole here. At all. Like that is pretty selective reasoning that is not even close to alignment indicative. AND if you go search up Snork's posts in that micro we were in together, you'll see that I did in fact say I was LA on weekends. I never need to post a V/LA notice because I actually do try to check in at least once a day on the weekend. As I have this past weekend.

Not to mention the fact that the moment I returned to work, I am here posting analysis/reads like usual. So... yeah, nonsense. I'd really trust mollie/Maestro to read me better at the moment.

p-edit: ....... wut? Didn't you

just

call him nulltown? Jesus. Why is this not dead yet?

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lolk

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This is why I say you have not been reading my posts. I gave very specific reasons for why I am voting you. I am going from VCA using Vettrock=town as a baseline and you come up scum.

If you missed that, even though you say you ISO'd me, I really.. don't know what to tell you.

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I don't know why you're telling me any of this like I'm going to sheep it.

You.... asked.

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none of this is content that is useful to the two of us right now.

I don't really give a shit if it's useful to you. It's useful to me and may be useful to others.

And I don't particularly like the tone of this post tbqh.

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I thought you were asking for who I thought was scum because you wanted to understand my mindset.

I asked because I want to know what you want me to think you think. You are not the only one I want this from.

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Also, I'm not really sure why you think I was referring to post count when I said I was "actively posting". That has nothing to do with post count.

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I'd like to confirm this with you ETL, does he rage a lot as town?

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Because you typed "I'm an extremely active poster during the weekdays" in 410. If that wasn't about post count, then what was it?

I was referring my attention on the gamestate and my involvement with it.

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Also, you should stop projecting your expectations of how I should scumhunt. If I have a question or comment about your reads, I will share it, like I did about mollie/maestro. I've made it clear I am still sorting NM.

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Ok so who's alt are you NM?

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I just do. Been watching you around the site for a while now. I originally thought you were a hydra.

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mollie what do you think of jiffy's iso?

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Also is majiffy always this relaxed?

as town. the no voting thing is weird though. never saw that before.

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UNVOTE:

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He decided to board the wagon when the opposing wagon began to lose steam, it is opportunistic as it gives the chance to hammer me.

This..... is not what being opportunistic means.

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What in the goddamn fuck is 537....

Do you know what time it is?



It's time to figure out why ANYONE PLAYING SOLO would put that much effort (and formatting!) to knock down a case

on someone else

.

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I feel like I should get a prize for actually reading the entire thing.

Brian, your interpretation is wrong on several points, but I am not going to put

that much

effort into this game. Maybe when I'm not mobile I'll pick out my favorites.


Jesus.

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I also don't like being called obtuse and illiterate.

This is not a reason to scumread anyone nor a reason to get into a shitfest in-thread.

Maestro is a sassy sassy young man. <3

He is easily wound up. It is not really alignment indicative, and neither are his potshots at anyone.

That doesn't mean he's town and it doesn't mean he's scum. It's null.

I want to know why you spent so much time and effort refuting his case against

Vettrock

when it is pretty widely accepted at this point that he is not today's lynch? It really looks to me like Maestro was asked for an explanation, gave his thoughts about Vettrock, and then you come out of nowhere with a longer-than-mastin-post rebuttal when it didn't concern you at all, and you do not seem to be scumreading Maestro for it.

This is my problem. I don't understand what motivated you to do such a thing, and I cannot see how it would fit with a town POV.

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I wasn't asking you to explain, Vettrock. I was asking Brian. Why are you now defending his chainsaw? Idgi.

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Spoiler: Posts

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you are really going out of your way here to justify a nullmaestro read

The point I was making is that he's null and Brian is attacking him for null things in order to defend Vettrock which I don't understand.

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you are really going out of your way here to justify a nullmaestro read

The point I was making is that he's null and Brian is attacking him for null things in order to defend Vettrock which I don't understand.

tbh, I didn't read brian's wall.

why is maestro null for you?

that is what I am asking

mostly because the majority of the raging didn't seem right, and i have stronger townreads elsewhere.

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maestro is flailing a bit and under no real pressure, but for him it feels more townflail than scumflail. I could talk about how cheeky he is when he scumflails but that would be giving his meta away.

Where is this coming from, mollie? You haven't really interacted with him much yet, and I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to "give his [scum] meta away"?

ETL you never confirmed or denied that you unvoted Xay because L-1. Do you still support the wagon? If not, why haven't you said anything?

:S What a weird question from you. I unvoted Xay because he wanted time to get out all of his thoughts. Which he did mostly, it seems. That's not a scum reaction to being lynched. And I have been sick, remember? I'm better now.

And 1 scum

And a vote that was made in RVS that's just parked for reason I still dont fucking know

Xay, whose vote on your wagon doesn't belong?

Xayzeck (4): Brian Skies, Not_Mafia, Majiffy, OkaPoka (L-1)
OkaPoka (2): Maestro, vettrock (L-3)
Not_Mafia (1): Xayzeck (L-4)

Not voting (2): EspeciallyTheLies, Pirate Mollie

/610

That's all I have time for at the moment. Will continue after I get coffee.

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no

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i mean yes, that's correct. i do not support the xay wagon anymore.

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And I'm not picking up the same townflail vibes off Xay. Is that why you no longer support his wagon ETL?

Say what?

I don't support it because his reaction to L1 was pretty town imo, and I would like to look elsewhere.

Vett, mollie, xay are off the table today.

Jiffy is being weird. It pings. Honestly not sure if I want to go through the trouble of lynching him today. Gives me a headache. Kind of hoping that can be sorted some other way.

Maestro is all kinds of wut. Need more scum hunting and less bitching from him to get a better read.

Okapoka is unnecessarily agressive, has contradictory reads/explanations, strange reversals, and will most likely get my vote after I go look at the VC.

NM seems town to me. As does Brian Skies, though BS needs more activity. I keep forgetting about him.

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Etl a good 50% of your reads suck big ol donkey balls

You suck big ol donkey balls

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VOTE: OkaPoka

L-2

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on point NM

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Jiffy is totally ignoring obvious town tells and refusing to reevaluate because "oh noes i'm on my phone better lynch someone quick". That's ridiculous, hasty, and downright stupid.

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You've played in a very limited capacity with Majiffy, I assume.

I'd say more games than you lately. He's in like every damn game I play. I have called his alignment correctly every time though, so.. there's that.

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And what do you think I am now?

Does it matter? If I say I think you're scum, you'll just be like "YER WRONG" no matter what your alignment is. If you're town, it shouldn't make a difference what I think.

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Jiffy is being weird. It pings. Honestly not sure if I want to go through the trouble of lynching him today. Gives me a headache. Kind of hoping that can be sorted some other way.

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I am fence sitting because I am not sure enough. At the moment, I think there is a better than good chance you are scum.

You're actually.. doing things.

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Like 656 is literally frustration at watching your buddy get strung up.

lolk. You are bad at reading me.

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I'm still figuring you out Jiffy or I'd be voting you right now.

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I think Xay is town. And you thinking I'm scum shows just how off your reads are right now. So I don't really feel inclined to sheep you.

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I.... already listed them....

He asked for time before hammer to share his thoughts.


And then did so.

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Mollie my problem is more that i dont have enough town reads because everyone and their mother looks like scum.

Off the top of my head -
Jiffy could be scum because he's actually trying to direct suspicions and I'd even say coax discussion (his way) which is something he only does as scum from what I've seen. However there is still a bit of that stubbornness in his reads so that is throwing my read a little.

Oka could be scum because of the way he instantly jumped on me as if he'd found a way in for an easy mislynch (and shows exactly he's never played with me - familiar scum tend not to attack me these days)

Vett could be scum for everything that maestro said.

But maestro could be scum because his later posts do not seem entirely genuine.

Mollie and xay are like my only town reads. Brian is.. sort of a town read but more of a lazy one. And not mafia.. i dont know. I should probably iso that. I havent cuz lazy and kinda need a flip.

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Mollie - hard to explain. Town Jiffy doesn't look town and scum Jiffy does.

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Forgot this game existed. Would like a flip.

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He's still off the table today. Nothing changed there. And I already explained Xay. Stop acting like you don't know.

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k. I doubt you'd be able to make it sound as genuine as he did. I'm an emotional player. I read emotional cues. I start with gut and build from there. You're asking me to explain how I FEEL about something on D1. Ask me tomorrow when I have more information.

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So Majiffy had his vote parked on Xay the whole time. Not sure if anything can be read into that.

He's fucking dead.

I don't think mollie would kill Jiffy if she was scum. I was scumreading him yesterday and she was following my thoughts on the matter. Not sure if she agreed or not, but she didn't disagree. No way she'd kill him.

This is a fear kill, 100%. Someone here who actually thought they needed to fear Jiffy. That takes out Maestro, imo, as well.

Re: scum didn't bus - I'm going to have to agree with that based on the amount of resistance the wagon encountered yesterday, and how the day practically stalled on it.

Xayzeck (1):

Majiffy

(L-4)

OkaPoka

(4): Maestro, vettrock, EspeciallyTheLies, Brian Skies, Not_Mafia (LYNCH)
Not_Mafia (3): Xayzeck, Pirate Mollie,

OkaPoka

(L-2)

This is Xay's L-1 wagon:

Xayzeck (4): Brian Skies, EspeciallyTheLies, Not_Mafia,

Majiffy

(L-1)
Maestro (2): vettrock, Social Media (L-3)

OkaPoka

(2): Maestro, Pirate Mollie (L-3)
Not_Mafia (1): Xayzeck

Not voting (1):

OkaPoka

I thought I would see something interesting there but I don't think I do. I'll come back to this later I guess.

So, it points to Xay, pretty much only Xay. I'm curious to know, if Xay is scum, why would he explicitly highlight that scum didn't bus? I wouldn't have thought of it for a few days at least.

Consider my vote there. I'm not really interested in voting while Vett holds two of them.

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so it clearly does not fucking point to "only Xay" like you claim.

How about you read my fucking post first and in it's entirety before you go saying stupid shit?

I don't think mollie would kill Jiffy if she was scum.

I was scumreading him yesterday and she was following my thoughts on the matter. Not sure if she agreed or not, but she didn't disagree. No way she'd kill him.

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NK wifom?

Yup. That's totally what it is. Not my impression of mollie's meta, or her play from yesterday, or her interactions with me and with Jiffy.

Just NK WIFOM.

/sarcasm

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let's not have this "oh this person likely wouldn't kill this guy, so let's just take that out of the scumpool"

Let's not have

you

tell

me

how to fucking scum hunt, mk? Thanks.

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How about you explain why you were voting Not_Mafia yesterday?

p-edit: lolwtf... that's not a backtrack?

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because his ISO was terribad, and still is, but frankly I don't know why i did anymore, because i'll be on mollie

This doesn't really answer the question at all.

What, specifically, in his ISO made you think he was scum? I don't give a shit if you

would have or will be

voting mollie. I am asking you why you were voting NM yesterday.

"his iso was terribad" is a generalization, not an explanation, and a cop out to answering my question.

p-edit: yeah.... no. You're wrong.

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i'm not interested in NM today, but I can pull a really quick general read with links to posts on why I was voting him

but that's not really applicable for the rest of today

I'm asking you for the information, aren't I? It must be applicable to my purposes.

So, either you are open/honest town willing to be transparent, or you are scum hiding your motives.

Answer the fucking question please.

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Alright. I still have to reread D1. I'll be back later after I do that.

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That's all for now.

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Consider my vote there. I'm not really interested in voting while Vett holds two of them.

You are not paying attention.

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we're not playing with a bunch of fools

This is also an arguable point.

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lol yes I do.

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I don't trust him to not consider his reads superior to several others and take the lynch into his own hands.

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I think the game is solved, imo. Though I'm a little disappointed that the only extra fancy feature I've seen thus far is Vett's double vote. I was kind of looking forward to some interesting mechanics and figuring those out, especially with the whole pages/days counter in the VCs.

I still haven't re-read. People at my office have decided that August is the month for mass exodus, so we are now.. 4? people down I think.. in my department, and I am being asked to do at least 16 hours overtime ... somehow. I realize this is a bit irrelevant, but I am totally into the game, I just can't do as much as I normally do in the time I normally do it. I am reading but slowly. Give me a few days at least before lynching someone because I'd like to give my input on it, and I will vote at that time. I feel like I could be missing something if I don't.

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I agree with everything you say mollie.

Seriously.

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Actually.

VOTE: not_mafia

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Actually.

VOTE: not_mafia

mollie pls? maybe?

no. i think you need to take a step back and a deep breath. reset yourself and look at the wagons/arguments from yesterday again, without focusing on your own. ok? pretend you're just observing the game.

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I think NM's late hammer gives him some towncred. He may have done it for that as scum, but I don't think it is likely

You have this backwards. The longer oka's partner resisted the lynch, the more obvious he would become as a partner because his lynch was going to happen and the flip would incriminate him.

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Your reads are based on faulty logic.

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The only one I really agree with the maestro read.

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2 and 4 are not good assumptions to make. More later; am mobile.

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I don't think they are based on faulty logic. They may have some faulty assumptions at the base, but

given the assumptions,

the logic follows.

Perhaps I misspoke. The assumptions you are making are mostly faulty:

So the assumptions would be:
The scum partner voted to lynch the scum partner. This is 100% as everyone still alive voted for OkaPoka at some point.

Since everyone voted Oka at one point or another, I don't even really know why this is in your list at all? It's irrelevant.

Scum is unlikely to hammer close to the deadline when they could have just waited and then made an excuse and pushed to the next day.

This 1) isn't true and 2) is an arbitrary assumption. What evidence suggests to you that this is the one and only time scum will hammer their partner? There is absolutely no way for you to either know this or confirm it, and using this as a basis for further assumption is asking for trouble. It's not a strong point, and shouldn't be given the gravity that you are giving it. Keep this kind of assumption in check or you will be looking in the wrong places.

Scum is unlikely to start a wagon against their partner and stay on it with certainly the entire day until Lynch like Maestro did.

This I agree with, especially since Oka wasn't a sure-fire obvscum player. However, Maestro is practically site-flaked as far as I can tell, so he wouldn't be one I'd apply this to. It's important to take all factors into consideration.

Scum is more likely to have been on the wagon, but got off it before lynch than to stay on the wagon, but it is possible they were hoping for the deadline to save their partner.

This, much like your second point, isn't true and is an arbitrary assumption. There's no way for you to know or confirm this. Do not base further assumption on weak foundations.

Take the facts, and apply them to your reads, and see where they fall. Don't just make stuff up because it sounds good to you. This is not a dig at you at all, so please understand where I'm coming from. This is advice on how to scum hunt. I see that you are trying, but your assumptions/conclusions are very weak and contain too many unknown factors, and not enough of the actual evidence that exists in the thread.

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prodding cabd for a votecount today

Xay needs one as well.

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noooooooo this game is killing me yall come on.

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ETL, what about Xay makes you think that he's probably not scum. Or at least, less scummy than NM?

Everything. His whole reaction to getting wagoned in the first place, his scum hunting. NM is one of those magical gut things I can't explain but you have to trust me. I know I'm going to get this lynch but I know he's scum.

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I know I'm going to get this lynch

This should totally say *not* going to get this lynch.

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can we lynch nm now please

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can we lynch my guilty please?

wait what? who is guilty?

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oooooooh damn.....

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i was way off.

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Oh damn.

Actually... I don't understand why you didn't claim your role, target and result right away if you got a guilty, Xay?

VOTE: Xayzeck

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Brian/Vett/Xay being town so had it down to ETL/Mollie/NM.

I forgot who you replaced but I don't like this.

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oh shit.

UNVOTE:

before mollie fixes her vote.

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there's not going to be 3 scum in a 9 player micro

but.. there are setups with 3 non-towns... 2 non-killing maf with a killing sk or something. or cult/maf or cult/sk. i mean this is politics theme which is about influencing people is it not? i dont remember how this was advertised and am under the impression cult is considered bastard but i dont see that as a non-option. it is a possibility.

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oh. ok. then yeah i agree there's only 2.

but i also believe mollie. her reaction here is pretty not-scum-mollie imo, plus her play has been consistently not-scum-mollie. you seem familiar with her so i'm a little concerned that you were scumreading her prior to the lynch/nk. i'm also surprised you are scumreading me and townreading xay/nm ... ??

it's a bit confusing. your reads seem flipped without reason.

p-edit:

ETL, what does Xay gain from faking a guilty? Living an extra day? Pointless if he's the only scum left.

For Xay to be scum there'd have to be 3 mafia in a 9 player game where the only town PR's that we'd know of are a doublevoted and a selfwatcher. Don't see it.

oh yeah i forgot we lynched scum d1. last ditch effort maybe. the way he gave his claim was very convoluted as though preparing to explain why he was wrong.

the other thing i'm worried about is some kind of adjusted wincon having to do with page numbers/days. like i said earlier, i dont understand why i haven't heard anything further in the way of claims/information.

at this kind of a juncture, i kind of want a massclaim. i think it can only benefit us.

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like, does anyone have any ideas about the page number/days mechanic? don't you think it's important to figure that out before hastily lynching a cc'd claim?

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yah fine i will lynch mollie as long as there is the agreement that xay is toast if she flips town

and i also want a massclaim.

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i didn't have any analysis of the night kill, just that i thought it was stupid to just make the assumption that the other scum was off wagon.

i mean, if you got a guilty, would you not out it

immediately

? i dont get the dancing around the bushes that xay did.

also, from my pov, jiffy was more suspect than mollie was and jiffy wasn't scumreading her from what i remember. it was mollie who was not decided on jiffy just yet, because i asked for her input. i thought he was being scummy.

p-edit: i am a vt as well.

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Oh yeah thats right. I dunno. I'm sorry I'm not completely in tune with this game. It lagged quite a bit and I've been busy with work/getting ready for school.

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I read all those. I just forgot about the no 3p part.

Thanks for modding Cabd It's nice to have a mod who checks the thread obsessively.

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Wtf are you smoking ETL of course Mollie would kill me. That's the first person I thought of when I saw that I had been killed.

I didn't wanna believe she would be that obvious