In post 3669, Trustworthy wrote:Titus defending Chandra as being a reason for why you're scum reading him isn't all that strong. Titus was defending Chandra, not only from you but from everyone, but she was also defending Mastin and Mhork pretty strongly as well. (She also defended me but I wasn't so much getting attacked, and she was creating that connection between us, so with me it's not that strong a comparison.)
it's not a 100% tell in itself but it's smth that overall makes CN more likely to be scum. generally on a policy level I assume scum will defend their partners when possible, especially given I'm sure Titus said at one point bussing is overrated and buddying is better.
In post 3669, Trustworthy wrote:And I'm not sure it's fair to look at the day one wagons in the context of Ludi being the scum designated mislynch. The only person who was a major wagon on day one was ABR, and that could have been the scum designated mislynch. Sure, it could have been either. But Titus, the only known scum we have, certainly pushed rather hard to get ABR lynched. Also, and what sparked this super fun reread adventure today was me looking at your vca and looking at the vote counts as they were. The thing is that SKOT, Pander Bears, Ludi, Titus, Chandra and ABR were all pretty relevant wagons the entire day. The Chandra wagon was started by Falcon and then he got cold feet and jumped off and then eventually moved to Ludi (whose wagon I was championing by the way). I'm just getting to the part in my reread where Falcon does get off the Chandra wagon and things start to go elsewhere so maybe I'll have some better insight in a little bit.
the ppl on ABR wagon were Titus and then Chandra, SKOT, Tattletale, and Mhork. just based on reads, there is def another scum there - even if I'm somehow wrong about Chandra, the other 3 ppl are p much dead null (although I do have gut town vibes from some of Tattletale's recent posting).
every single one of them proceeded to join the ML wagon when the first ABR wagon failed, so given ABR was a scum mislynch, ML almost certainly is too. plus given the timing of the votes at the start of the 8 man ML wagon (CN and Titus voted ML immediately when mastin did starting from
1690), I could see it as a scum power play to get ML lynched, especially when CN was a wagon at that point.
the ppl who switched from Chandra to ML were ABR and then F-16 and Anti who I think are both town, so I don't think it's accurate to say the CN wagon collapsed in favor of ML (most of it came from the ABR wagon).
re: Chandra wagon stalling: I don't think (and never meant to imply) the Chandra wagon stalling a bunch of times automatically makes him scum - see: jason wagon from quickness where it stalled like 5 times and didn't go through till D6 and he was town - although I do agree it makes it more likely on a policy level.
