In post 336, kabooooom wrote:tell me what do you think is most probably the case? And if it not that, what is your second openion? Also state reasons for why you think that setup will be balanced.
No.
I'm not going to go diving into setup spec, that was a mistake and I don't think setup spec is a useful idea right now.
we have 1 and half week. And I just wanna know your true openion. I will give mine too, so plz.
In post 338, kabooooom wrote:you are neither at l-1 not near the dead line. So why did you claim? Your claim will make you a tagt. For mafia. If you really claimed miller so cop doesnt wasted his investigation on you and in case he dies scums doesnt kill you, so why throw your plans for waste? And even when you are not at risk of getting lynched?
Because I felt like it and because nothing was happening here. Because Im starting to wonder if there even is a mafia team in this game. I am at risk of getting lynched, lol.
There isn't anything concrete to support any relevant setup spec and there is really nothing to gain from it at this point unless you want to either use it to believe or disbelieve my claim, in which case my opinion on the matter shouldn't really be relevant.
If I -had- to guess, I'd guess its 7:2 with 2 werewolves. I guess 6:2:1 with 2 mafia would be the next most likely thing. My reasons for thinking this is purely what I hope to be the case and certainly not what I have any great reason for thinking is.
My phn bat. Is low, and IM going to sleep. But..
1) you were nit at the risk if getting lynched because,
a) you are at l-2
b) the deadline was 1 and half week far.
c) tell me which player, were you afraid who would quickhammer you?
In post 335, kabooooom wrote:Tth- I will answer your questions once in done talking to ap.
Alright. It wasn't a rhetorical question. I really do want to hear you articulate why you seem to believe the claim.
AngryPidgeon wrote:Eh, I'll get around to making a reads list shortly. I dont actually know how I feel about Marquis. My scumread at day start was a kneejerk that happened because of sketchy setup spec.
"Sketchy setup spec"? By you or Marquis? If I recall correctly, you called Marquis a "Werewolf Cop". That's a really specific accusation for being knee-jerk. I see something about how you thought that implied extra knowledge on Marquis' part, but how exactly did you arrive at that?
In post 355, TellTaleHeart wrote:"Sketchy setup spec"? By you or Marquis? If I recall correctly, you called Marquis a "Werewolf Cop". That's a really specific accusation for being knee-jerk. I see something about how you thought that implied extra knowledge on Marquis' part, but how exactly did you arrive at that?
My end, obviously. I guess I was thinking we were looking at something like
And Marquis's sudden scumread made no sense to me so I justified it with thinking that he is the last WW and he genuinely thought I was mafia faking miller.
In post 354, kabooooom wrote:My phn bat. Is low, and IM going to sleep. But..
1) you were nit at the risk if getting lynched because,
a) you are at l-2
b) the deadline was 1 and half week far.
c) tell me which player, were you afraid who would quickhammer you?
No, not "obviously", AP. Please don't tell me something is obvious. Whenever I ask somebody a question, I'm not asking for to be cute or waste people's time; it's because I really want to know. If it seems I'm slow on the uptake, I apologize, but that doesn't change the fact that I need to understand where people are coming from and I
will
bug you about it until this happens.
Why is the setup you're listing beyond the realm of possibility? Also, why would Marquis' sudden scumread of you be indicative of scum? The werewolf and seer flips juxtaposed with your miller claim certainly is awkward and, honestly, I didn't know what to make of it at the time and I was pretty sold on my own Flubbernugget scumread so I ignored it. But now I'm looking back and I'm wondering what exactly Marquis said to you that pinged that made you think he had extra knowledge. What are you catching that I'm missing? Is there anything?
It's beyond the realm of reasonability. I will likely never join another mykonian game if there are 4 group scum in a normal micro. That's how ridiculous it is. Like town can lynch scum every day and still lose.
I'm not saying marquis read flip on me makes him scum, in fact I said that my previous read there was on need of review. Wouldn't you be suspicious if someone 180d on you for .. reasons?
I feel like my compass is thrown off and I need to recalibrate.
In post 354, kabooooom wrote:My phn bat. Is low, and IM going to sleep. But..
1) you were nit at the risk if getting lynched because,
a) you are at l-2
b) the deadline was 1 and half week far.
c) tell me which player, were you afraid who would quickhammer you?
I still have couple if questions, but later.
I'm a little at a loss for words mostly because I'm not 100% sure on the argument.
You're taking issue with the timing of AP's new claim because he wasn't in danger of being lynched at the time. This translates to AP being scum because ~~~. It's another fakeclaim? Is that the argument.
When you think about it, I actually think it explains AP's early day behavior a lot more than the miller claim does.
In post 360, AngryPidgeon wrote:It's beyond the realm of reasonability. I will likely never join another mykonian game if there are 4 group scum in a normal micro. That's how ridiculous it is. Like town can lynch scum every day and still lose.
So you're saying that it would take gross moderator incompetence to design a game like the one you mentioned. Which is why you think your setup speculation is sketchy. That makes sense.
Thinking on it a little more, recall there was only one kill last night, implying there's probably only one scum faction currently at play. Whoever said that was probably on the right track.
In post 360, AngryPidgeon wrote:I'm not saying marquis read flip on me makes him scum, in fact I said that my previous read there was on need of review. Wouldn't you be suspicious if someone 180d on you for .. reasons?
Yes, which is actually part of the reason I voted you. You vote me out of absolutely nowhere after asking me if I wanted to wagon Marquis because, essentially, you disagreed with me about Flubbernugget.
So, at it's very core, you suspected Marquis because he voted you. Which is why you want to re-evaluate the read. Is this it?
Oh right I just remembered my logic. Marquis said he didn't believe my miller claim. He then argued that I was a ww and that I faked miller for town cred once a ww flipped. I find that reasoning to be laughable and figured he can't actually believe something so wrong. So the most logical leap to me is that marquis believed I was lying but had reasons to know that that a townie wouldn't have. Like he is a ww cop and thinks my fake claim is from maf and a lie.
In post 362, TellTaleHeart wrote:So, at it's very core, you suspected Marquis because he voted you. Which is why you want to re-evaluate the read. Is this it?
That should be "its".
I am so ashamed of myself. Everyone look away and pretend I didn't do that. I uh... had low blood sugar at the time.
In post 363, AngryPidgeon wrote:Oh right I just remembered my logic. Marquis said he didn't believe my miller claim. He then argued that I was a ww and that I faked miller for town cred once a ww flipped. I find that reasoning to be laughable and figured he can't actually believe something so wrong. So the most logical leap to me is that marquis believed I was lying but had reasons to know that that a townie wouldn't have. Like he is a ww cop and thinks my fake claim is from maf and a lie.
Well even if he was a werewolf cop, wouldn't he just call you a liar and leave it simply at that? What you're describing sounds needlessly complicated.
Not necessarily. He can say he thinks I'm lying and that won't get him anywhere. If he expects to be taken seriously he needs to provide some justification, his alignment aside. I think scum is actually more likely to provide justification than town.
I can't promise I'll be there on the minute, even hour. So a general direction of the deadline is all you'll get.
