Open 573: C9++

[50 Shades of Purple]

Or do you want me to say "I was trying to figure out if NC is pushing me for actually scumreading me or just plain ol' "fuck this hydra"ing me because he should know how I townplay looks like when we even hydra'd together"

he didn't understand what your townplay looked like while you two hydra'ed together
he's hydra'ed with mollie, he doesn't really know what her townplay looks like
he doesn't know what Mara's townplay looks like

[50 Shades of Purple]

If I were to not "divert attention" and followed the flow, what would I be doing?

Making pushes that didn't suck, for one.

[Death Stare]

If I were to not "divert attention" and followed the flow, what would I be doing?

Making pushes that didn't suck, for one.

I disagree.

I'm tired so I'll comment on other stuff tomorrow.

Death Stare:
You suspect MonkeyMan because his vote on wgeurt is "bad" because (reasons). Then, you argue that after Nacho called him out on having a bad vote, MonkeyMan shoehorned in another reason to vote wgeurt. This is evidenced by (something). These are the reasons for your MonkeyMan vote.
Is all that correct, and if so, could you please fill in the missing links?

tl;dr
(reasons) = didn't bother to state them again after Nacho stated them already.
(something) = multiple factors. The timing of the post (as in, I think as town in general would say something about nacho's comment on his reason for vote being wrong first), and the tone of the post (the way he posted that post suggests that he was looking for other reason to justify his vote while silently ditching his first reason that nacho called bad).

[50 Shades of Purple]

You say your vote is staying on Death Note, implying that there is a reason for you to keep your vote there. Why?

I was trolling. Now, I think he's scum.

Antihero,

you are his sister so get him drunk and have him explain things to you

[50 Shades of Purple]

His vote on wg was bad but he is obviously a pretty new player so it's a forgivable vote.
Your assertion that his additional reasoning having to do with me calling his vote bad is

possible

, but usually when scum are caught making a bad vote they just back down instead of keep bullheadedly pushing forward. I don't see any reason why Monkey, if he was afraid of me for some strange reason, would keep pushing forward unless he found something better (and his reaction as town finding something better was perfectly believable).

[50 Shades of Purple]

I think the push is additionally bad again, because Monkey is a new player, and because Monkey is a pretty transparent player that wears his heart enough on his sleeve to where this push from you is unacceptable. It's like you're willing to give up wg as newb town because there's no way to avoid it but you're afraid to let Monkey be treated the same way because two newb town slots that might get replaced eventually with much better players sucks for you, especially since this is one of two hydrae I will literally never be mislynched in.

[Death Stare]

How the hell is Monkey a new player
We played with him at HxH remember?

Also backing down is exactly what he did. He silently backed down from his initial reasoning and had to say that he found a better reason to vote wguerts.

[Death Stare]

And that HxH was LONG TIME AGO

[50 Shades of Purple]

HxH was a different MonkeyMan.

[Death Stare]

u srs?

[50 Shades of Purple]

Yes.

[Death Stare]

*checks HxH*

*sees 576*

...oh

[50 Shades of Purple]

Also backing down is exactly what he did. He silently backed down from his initial reasoning and had to say that he found a better reason to vote wguerts.

not backing down from initial reasoning, backing down from the vote
backing down from initial reasoning and moving goalposts is an advanced scum technique that this monkeyman wouldn't be able to pull off and HxH monkeyman wouldn't be able to pull off either

[Death Stare]

brb I'm gonna reread this monkey's posts then.

[50 Shades of Purple]

MonkeyMan immediately pounced on it.

The first fallacy town players have to overcome is the "wrong = scum" fallacy. New player making a mistake and new player jumping on it is a pretty typical progression of events.

2. wgeurts posted a response in a similar vein to before and MonkeyMan wasted no time in condemning it further.

So?

3. None of MonkeyMan's posts after this show any particular willingness to deviate from this.

So?

[50 Shades of Purple]

You are right. I shouldn't try to lynch the new scum. I should give them a break since they are new and everything. Why would anyone ever lynch someone because they think they are scummy?

UNVOTE:

this post is also town as balls

[50 Shades of Purple]

I am going to sign all of my posts "I love nacho".

iln for short.

it's funny because i didn't see any of these signatures

[50 Shades of Purple]

wgeurts wants to no lynch.
wgeurts doesn't like random bandwagons.
wgeurts wants to hold onto his vote.

I don't know that mafia is the game for wgeurts.

This is town too.

I am getting a good town block.

Heartless, Nero Cain, Massive and Me.

I think I just broke the game.

Scum:

wreurts, Death Stare

you should vote death stare monkey
i don't know about your massive read and your wg read is wrong but everything else is gold

[50 Shades of Purple]

As of right now, I'd be happy to lynch monkey or nero, especially since neither has been able to articulate what makes wogglydeegort scummy.

and i loved you so dearly before you said this

[50 Shades of Purple]

it's hard to read dave's posts without getting distracted because dave sounds like a robot.

I found it interesting that Monkey unvoted under pressure, but apparently not on a change of heart with regard to wgeurts.

Interesting is a word that doesn't mean shit: I believe you meant to use the word "townie" or "scummy" instead.

I think it was instructive to see who was concerned about a quick lynch of DS, even though at L-3 with days to go it never seemed to be a serious possibility.

What did leaving your vote on accomplish?

It's a little too convenient to use it in a "town block" like this, like he's reaching for someone non-controversial to add to the list.

I think calling someone who hasn't done shit town is either A) a ballsy move if they are scumbuddies, or B) unnecessarily blocking off his voting options if Monkey is scum and Massive is town.

[50 Shades of Purple]

still waiting for gif to acknowledge me and mollie as his god and goddess and vote MTD

[50 Shades of Purple]

Oh My Gods, 4 new pages appeared while I was away!
I'll read everything as soon as I can.
Nero, you asked something in 141 and I asked back in the next post. Do you still need an answer for or has it become obsolete by now?

However, I decided to check Stavrogin before reading the thread. He has been active on this forum but, he hasn't posted a single thing here. I know it's possible, though very unlikely that he hasn't read his Role PM (and as far as I know the Mod won't reveal this). But in my opinion, he's lurking hard. I've seen townies fighting and lynching each other while one or more scums were lurking and doing nothing too many times. (Both in real life games and in online games too.)

I think it's very possible that he's scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Stavrogin – I may change this vote if I find something blatantly scummy while reading the forum.

i didn't know he was in the game
he will probably be replaced
there are a lot of better votes you could place

[Death Stare]

You win
will sheep

VOTE: MTD

[50 Shades of Purple]

Another thing I've noticed. MTD voted Aneninen for fluff...

Spoiler: longish post

Simply not understanding the setup is null.

I wrote the same thing. And C9++ is not an easily-comprehend-able-ish setup, after all.

But

he said he isn't new to mafia...
I agree however that this is no tell.

I am not sure about him currently, he sure hasn't acted mega-towny, though.

Wanting to NL is normal for people coming from other sites.
Btw
@wguerts: You say we shouldn't lynch someone yet, and attack people for voting because you want to put pressure on people first. Just fyi, the most prominent way of pressuring people happens to be votes. And no, lynches don't happen because of 2 or 3 votes.

in general: It is quite obvious noone currently wants to quick-lynch anyone, so quit whining about it pls.

Aneninen's looks somewhat scummy to me. His posts are nearly all fluff, the only things he has really said about other people is

Wgeurts' play is indeed a bit strange, especially because he said that he wasn't new to Online Mafia though, I think he simply didn't undertstand the setup.

Basically saying that there is nothing interesting there and

MonkeyMan is changing his vote all the time.

Which is damn obvious.
In general I have the impression he is trying to make a good impression without risking anything. I don't like that.

VOTE: Aneninen

Death Stare is prob town, dunno about the other hydrae.
I don't really like GrayFox so far, but there's little to go on there.

Also I just realized that massive is

old

.

But then goes to post a bunch of

Spoiler: fluff

He meant my Mafiascum age.

exactly.

No idea why you assumed I knew his real age.
Or why you do.

@MTD: his real age is on his page.

uhm.... is it?

Well, there actually is the possibility to change votes, you know....

Just explain yourself itsn't that hard if you're town.

really, this isn't that hard.
Hint: there is a difference between reasons for voting someone in particular and reasons for placing a vote (regardless of the one you vote for).

This is nowhere near as important so my vote stays where it is, but keeping MTD in mind for later.

it makes my dick hard when people notice the things i do before i am able to post them

[50 Shades of Purple]

You win
will sheep

VOTE: MTD

ty gif