Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

[Wisdom]

What I don't get is why nobody has bothered to look at who Scripten would be dangerous to. Or if you're looking, nobody is saying anything about it.

This reads as nonsense, and counter productive. Why should we be looking at a dead townie, and exactly how dangerous is he?

Scum take into account what reads people have. If someone has a close enough guess about the scumteam, and looks like they'll be able to convince others to vote with them, it's a good idea to kill them.

So yeah, who Scriten would be dangerous too is a good think to be researched.

[Peabody]

I've not really pushed my reads yet because I'm not confident in very many of them.

I just need to sit down and spend time analyzing this game because I find the quote wars really really hard to follow.

The only reads I'm confident on are GM as town, Mala as town, and MS(Wisdom) as town.

Heph pings me as scum, although his reaction to my vote makes me WIFOM myself. Uct pinged me as town from the 1v1 vs Shinobi. Shinobi didn't ping me as town until Shinobi backed off.

I didn't like Zeb as town until he explained his reads list better. Dave hasn't pinged me as town or scum either way yet because I've not been paying attention to him very much in terms of alignment.

[Peabody]

Actually put GM in a 'leaning town' category. Her emotional defensiveness toward the beginning of the game didn't feel right. The fast build and derail of the wagon is, in fact, a large reason I see her as town, although I understand there's disagreement on that.

[Wisdom]

My read on Pea has changed. You will see it in my latest reads-list.

Okay, why has it changed then? I don't recall you saying anything about him recently.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I have briefly mentioned it, you will see on the catch-up.

Please continue.

[Wisdom]

I can't say much to this except I was frustrated the person I wanted to be lynched didn't even have a wagon on him. There was a real threat that there was going to be a no-lynch, and after playing a horribly frustrating game not long ago, I'm a little more paranoid about this happening. I felt uneasy about BBT's request to vote GM without question, so I didn't. Yes, I was being rebellious.

The problem is, it didn't feel at all like you were being rebellious. I didn't get the feeling you cared in the slightest about who is going to be lynched. Nor did I get the feeling you particularly cared about the danger of a no-lynch (which didn't really look like a possibility anyway, by the looks of it. Everyone and their cat had a scumread on npiau or were at least content with lynching him.)

And who was that person you wanted to be lynched? I don't even remember you trying to push anyone. If you really wanted to lynch someone, you'd try to convince people to vote that person over the two wagons you supposedly thought are both town.

[Wisdom]

Also, I'm caught up now.

A recap of my reads:

Town: {BBT, Mala, dave, Shinobi, Huntress}
Leaning town: {goodmorning, hephaestus}
Leaning scum: {Josh}
Scum: {Peabody, uctriton}

VOTE: Peabody

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Dave isn't town.

So if you could vote Dave that would be grand.

[Wisdom]

Dave is town and you should stop tunneling sooner than later.

[Wisdom]

This is just a first impression:

Uct pings me as town from this 1v1.

Shinobi, not so much.

I'm on my phone, so I can examine why I believe this when I'm on my laptop again. Eh, nothing here is set in stone unless I can analyze my thoughts on both of them via isos.

I haven't commented on uct to date. So this will be my next thing to do.

Oh, and again, all this is from a cursory glance. Don't put much weight in this post. Just telling you where my mind is right now.

This never happened as far as I can tell.

Please explain how you came up with uctriton being town from the 1v1 with Shinobi, as well as your general read on uctriton.

[Wisdom]

And while you're at it, I'd like your read on Josh as well. You haven't said a thing about him in your recent posts.

[beastcharizard]

Vote Count

Hephaestus(1): Josh_B
Josh_B(2): Shinobi, davesaz
davesaz(2): BlueBloodedToffee, Huntress
Peabody(1): Wisdom

Not voting(5):Malakittens, ucitron00, Peabody, hephaestus, gooodmorning
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-10-27 20:00:00)

Malakittens V/LA until Monday the 13th

[beastcharizard]

Do yall want me to put L-whatever next to peoples names to make it easier?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah Mod, that would be helpful.

[Wisdom]

Personally I prefer it like this:

Josh_B (2): Shinobi, davesaz
davesaz (2): BlueBloodedToffee, Huntress
Hephaestus (1): Josh_B
Peabody (1): Wisdom

but whatever you think is best for you.

[Huntress]

Personally I prefer it like this:

Josh_B (2): Shinobi, davesaz
davesaz (2): BlueBloodedToffee, Huntress
Hephaestus (1): Josh_B
Peabody (1): Wisdom

but whatever you think is best for you.

I prefer it this way too. Much easier to read with the actual number of votes there.

[davesaz]

I also said if you had the slightest inkling that NPAU was Mason, you would have got off that wagon altogether.

No lynch is worse for town than a mislynch, provided the mislynched player is not a PR.
I got worried about the possibility that NPAU could be a PR, so I jumped off to check that out.
Having concluded that NPAU was probably not a PR, a lynch was needed. Therefore I got back on.
I thought then, and still do think, that GM is town.
You disagree with my GM read, and are projecting that as a scum read on me because I preferred the NPAU (possible scum) to GM (probably town) wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No lynch is worse for town than a mislynch, provided the mislynched player is not a PR.
I got worried about the possibility that NPAU could be a PR, so I jumped off to check that out.
Having concluded that NPAU was probably not a PR, a lynch was needed. Therefore I got back on.
I thought then, and still do think, that GM is town.
You disagree with my GM read, and are projecting that as a scum read on me because I preferred the NPAU (possible scum) to GM (probably town) wagon.

OK, let's take this a step at a time because you're ignoring huge parts of my case.

What made you think NPAU was Mason?

[Malakittens]

So it looks like i won't really be here til we are leaving monday night. The net keeps kicking me off. Ill try to follow when i can, but no promises.

I read Wisdom's posts and he feels a lot more town than sonic ever did so i dont get GM's comments towards Wisdo right now.

[Malakittens]

Also thank god that Wisdom is here. Him and BBT are very similar so im hoping maybe they can talk sense into each other when things get rough.

[davesaz]

OK, let's take this a step at a time because you're ignoring huge parts of my case.

What made you think NPAU was Mason?

The masons don't seem to want to be outed, though we haven't had a reply this game day from everyone yet, I don't think.
Don't know if it would be right to explain the exact details of why, if doing so would expose them.

Interactions between two other players made it look like one of them could be mason with NPAU and the other scum trying to find the mason pair. For the reason I just mentioned, I'm not going to reveal which two players. The in-depth review of that interaction didn't yield anything useful.

What parts of your case am I skipping?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, let's take this a step at a time because you're ignoring huge parts of my case.

What made you think NPAU was Mason?

The masons don't seem to want to be outed, though we haven't had a reply this game day from everyone yet, I don't think.
Don't know if it would be right to explain the exact details of why, if doing so would expose them.

Interactions between two other players made it look like one of them could be mason with NPAU and the other scum trying to find the mason pair. For the reason I just mentioned, I'm not going to reveal which two players. The in-depth review of that interaction didn't yield anything useful.

What parts of your case am I skipping?

Given that you now know that they

CANNOT

be Mason with NPAU, I think it's safe to assume you were wrong and can disclose what lead you to thinking NPAU could be Mason.

I certainly don't see a problem with outing someone who you think is scum trying to find Mason's either.

[Wisdom]

He really does not have to do that. And we should avoid talking about who might be a mason in general.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

He really does not have to do that. And we should avoid talking about who might be a mason in general.

Yeah, he does. He was wrong, whoever he thought was Mason

with

NPAU is obviously not so there is no reason not to explain his thought process behind that read.

I'm not asking him to out a Mason. I'm asking him to explain how he came to an incorrect read on somebody being Mason

with

NPAU.

[davesaz]

Do yall want me to put L-whatever next to peoples names to make it easier?

I agree with the earlier posts asking for a count, and also find the L-whatever to be helpful.