Open 573: C9++

[MonkeyMan]

wgeurts!

That was the scummiest vote so far.

@Massive:
Why did you juts randomly claim? I don't remember you saying why. You only had like 2 votes on you and you were like: "I am VT so ha!"

[Heartless]

you know when i said i would accept 50 shades votes?

i lied

i'll make fun of those too.

[MTD]

MonkeyMan post good post.

That wguerts vote was so damn opportunistic...

[davesaz]

Nice reply, wrong issue. The vote was on massive without a reason. I'm looking for that reason.

No, you're nitpicking. Anti's already talked about why he thinks massive is making a bad case.

Where were you yesterday?

-TTH

I don't see the leap between massive's "bad case" and scum. How do we distinguish between town massive misunderstanding early Nero vs. scum massive misrepresenting early Nero?

Your slot is saying plenty but explaining next to nothing. How do we distinguish between town with God-like abilities and scum pulling cases out their ass? My assumption is that if you can't / won't explain it, then you're scum. I don't know any of you from Adam and have to go on just what you have posted in this thread. This game is not called leap of faith.

You might be right. I would gladly evaluate your case, if you explained what the case is. If I find it has merit, I might join the party.

Same goes for everyone. If there is a case presented, I'll consider joining it. If there is no case presented or reason that you're joining another case, I'll be inclined to to think you're scum. I'm going to see no case as more scummy than a bad case.

[Death Stare]

Yesterday was a clusterfuck that was impossible to sift through. Between the huge post spams that 50 shades has been posting and the sheer amount of walls that multiple people have been playing, trying to get a feel for what people are talking about is a lot more of a headache than it's worth.

Just point to why you think massive is scum.

-Ank

[Heartless]

I don't see the leap between massive's "bad case" and scum. How do we distinguish between town massive misunderstanding early Nero vs. scum massive misrepresenting early Nero?

I'm not really sure, that's a broad theory question that I don't have enough of a feel for the game to answer. I'm sure Antihero can answer that, though.

Your slot is saying plenty but explaining next to nothing.

Haha, excuse me? That's not true.

Same goes for everyone. If there is a case presented, I'll consider joining it. If there is no case presented or reason that you're joining another case, I'll be inclined to to think you're scum. I'm going to see no case as more scummy than a bad case.

Hold that thought for a moment.

-TTH

[sthar8]

VOTE: massive

will also accept dave and 50 shades votes

all other votes are inferior and will be made fun of by me

VOTE: massive

i'm pretty pissed at all of you right now. Seriously, fuck all of you.

Welcome back, I guess? Why the angst?

Hi. Are you town?

[Heartless]

VOTE: massive

will also accept dave and 50 shades votes

all other votes are inferior and will be made fun of by me

VOTE: massive

i'm pretty pissed at all of you right now. Seriously, fuck all of you.

Why are you pissed at us?

Also, why are you voting massive? I recall you responded to Antihero's question about your read on massive by saying this:

massive is all cases that I understand but don't agree with, which is not strongly indicative.

How does a massive vote to start today follow?

[Aneninen]

First of all, since I hadn't been here at the end of the Day, I owe Nero some answers.

I also hate Anen. Calls my monkey case crap, agree's with Massive's stupid case on me and then sheeps me? This is very confusing.

I had had a hard time reading you before I thought that you were (are) probably town. Also, I had been thinking a lot about Massive's case before I called it a weak one. Check out 822 and you'll find these things there.

Monkeyman is sort of okay, I posted about this before. (He's either newb-town, or the SK if we have one)

Why do you think he's not group scum?

Because I think that his 621 was a slip. I posted about that eg. in 744.
Since it's not likely that there's an SK in the game (though it's not impossible), right now I think that Monkeyman is town.


@Massive. Why did you claim in 1082? (By the way, I really don't want to be a spoilsport but is the thing Nero did in 1083 legal at all? Yes, I know that it was a joke but still...)


@Wgeurts. Your vote in 1098, especially in connection with 1095 was strengthening my scumread on you. (Yet again, you said that you had ISO-ed him but you

didn't post a single thing as reasoning

!)

You all know my case. It was in 1039.

VOTE: Wgeurts

(Also, Wg

eu

rts, I'm really sorry that I've been misspelling your name all the time. I should be able to spell it correctly. By the way, does that mean anything?)

@Everyone. Please, summarize the case against Massive (apart from the part "his case against Nero" – I was thinking a lot about that before). Regardless of your answers, I'm going to ISO him as soon as I can.

[wgeurts]

I'm playing horribly yes, I can agree. This is also my first game, anyway.
I'll post reasons for my Massive vote in a while when I have access to a PC. My lack of scum hunting was due to there being 40 pages of stuff wheras I'd lost it around 25.

[MonkeyMan]

VOTE: Wgeurts

Appeal to emotion is not going to help you here. If you know you aren't playing well how come you aren't trying to fix it? What was with your vote? You didn't even give a real reason you just said it was because of ISO. What about the ISO exactly didn't you like?

[massive]

I already know neither Anti nor TTH can actually read me. I know Nero pretty much HAS to vote me if he wants to generate any town cred for himself. But BY CROM that wguerts vote was horrible.

People jumping on wguerts for "voting without a reason" should probably look at every single person voting me b

[davesaz]

VOTE: massive

will also accept dave and 50 shades votes

all other votes are inferior and will be made fun of by me

VOTE: massive

i'm pretty pissed at all of you right now. Seriously, fuck all of you.

Welcome back, I guess? Why the angst?

Hi. Are you town?

Absolutely.

I would have also liked to ask about the naked vote (see my other comments on the subject), but wanted to give you the chance to reply to the first question.
What has you upset with "all" of us?

[Aneninen]

People jumping on wguerts for "voting without a reason" should probably look at every single person voting me b

It's not only Wgeurts's vote. I posted my case against him Yesterday. I was voting for him Yesterday.

[50 Shades of Purple]

VOTE: Nero

I'm vanilla. I don't know what Anti's beef is with me but I still think he's town, just drunk or something. Nero is a sheep here and I still haven't seen anything to disprove the idea he will jump on anything that moves regardless of reasons.

why are you discrediting anti? anti doesn't drink that often and when he does it is like really really obviously and he will tell you he is drunk.

that comment makes me very unhappy massive it looks scummy as shit. you fascinate me cos we are close in age and I wanted to figure out how you think.

but there is a good chance we will be voting so you will probs be voting you but I am going to catch up first.

~iln

[50 Shades of Purple]

VOTE: massive

will also accept dave and 50 shades votes

all other votes are inferior and will be made fun of by me

Let's get something straight right away. Several RL days have passed, and therefore it's not acceptable to just vote without saying why.

Tough rhetoric, dave. There's not much in the way of actions this game to back it up, though. You really don't have much room to give Anti grief about anything.

The dave and 50 Shades reads are mine. I plan on talking Antihero into voting you, by the way, because I think you're scum.
The tail end of yesterday for you was spent voting MonkeyMan, who I think is probably town. Ostensibly, your reason for voting him was "pressure," but there's a lack of follow-through on this promise. In subsequent posts, you don't work to advance the wagon or interact with MonkeyMan himself in any meaningful way. You seemed to be perfectly content letting your vote fester on a failed wagon that never exceeded two votes, but that never seemed to bother you. Reads on people outside of MonkeyMan are left mostly undeveloped and there's a distinct lack of transparency in your overall view of the game. I also wasn't a fan of the earlier Nero Cain push (Nero Cain is a townread).

-TTH

your slot is town cos of anti. but do you wanna like, yanno interact with us or something? cos your avoidance on your own while calling us scum would normally make me go apeshit.

[50 Shades of Purple]

VOTE: massive

will also accept dave and 50 shades votes

all other votes are inferior and will be made fun of by me

VOTE: massive

i'm pretty pissed at all of you right now. Seriously, fuck all of you.

after the faith game all I can say is

this looks fake as shit.

[50 Shades of Purple]

Hmm...
Sorry massive, just ISO'ed you and I have to agree with the rest.
VOTE: Massive

if you think he is scum then why are you apologising?

[MonkeyMan]

Hmm...
Sorry massive, just ISO'ed you and I have to agree with the rest.
VOTE: Massive

if you think he is scum then why are you apologising?

Because they are freaking scum. That is why.

[50 Shades of Purple]

okay, nacho called and I was talking to him cos he is much more important than any dumb game!

we didn't talk about the game sorry, we were planning on when we are going to see each other. we will get to this real soon I promise.

I am going to check with him on a couple of things.

@ heartless

why the change of heart?

[50 Shades of Purple]

Hmm...
Sorry massive, just ISO'ed you and I have to agree with the rest.
VOTE: Massive

if you think he is scum then why are you apologising?

Because they are freaking scum. That is why.

you don't apologise to scum, you lynch them.

this is a scumtell that goes waaaaaaay back I remember doing it in 1 of my first scumgames. you are why I want to talk to nacho he is much better at sorting out newbs but your vote looks scummy.

[Heartless]

your slot is town cos of anti. but do you wanna like, yanno interact with us or something? cos your avoidance on your own while calling us scum would normally make me go apeshit.

maybe i can help you out here because there's too much tension here that doesn't need to be here

TTH doesn't really trust what she doesn't understand. that's just the way she is in general, btw. and she doesn't understand your sthar push. i'm trying to explain, but i don't think i'm doing a very good job.

iirc, she asked you about it before yesterday ended, but it was too close to the buzzer for you to answer.

i didn't really want to shut TTH down before she gets happy with a townread on you , buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, i think you're town so it's all just an exercise in absurdity anyway

[Heartless]

I don't see the leap between massive's "bad case" and scum. How do we distinguish between town massive misunderstanding early Nero vs. scum massive misrepresenting early Nero?

well, there's context for that, dave

is massive
1) looking at the game globally and seeing what other players are doing at the same time?
2) poking nero for answers and seeing if they're making sense (being sure to see if it

does

make sense from a town angle)?
3) really working with his townreads to resolve differences of opinion in the case?

no, no, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand no

those are all hallmarks of "townie who thinks he has something and is just wrong"

in the absence of that, i arrive at "scum who needs to push a mislynch"

[Nero Cain]

TINFOIL

Massive is scum and getting bussed by wgeurts and sthar

[Heartless]

TINFOIL

Massive is scum and getting bussed by wgeurts and sthar

wgeurts: maybe
sthar: yes