League of Legends (Old)

[xRECKONERx]

mana crystal is the correct start 98% of the time on ryze

boots/4 is the only other midlly acceptable start but that's usually for midlane skillshot matchups

[chamber]

mana crystal is the correct start 98% of the time on ryze

In that you should probably only be picking ryze when it is the correct start, sure?

[notscience]

All of nami's skills give the speedboost, Glork.

[xRECKONERx]

mana crystal is the correct start 98% of the time on ryze

In that you should probably only be picking ryze when it is the correct start, sure?

uh no, building anything other than mana crystal is pretty much a waste on ryze. dorans ring is absolutely awful. dorans shield is less awful than dring but not by much. neither item has any stats that ryze wants

[chamber]

That he wants past 20 minutes? You are right. That he needs to not get face rolled in the first 10 though, not as much.

[xRECKONERx]

Then you get a Flask to survive, it's actually a good purchase if you're not starting Mana Crystal. Because you've supposedly taken tanky runes already so sustain + runes should keep you alive until you naturally build into tank per your build path

[Voidedmafia]

P-EDIT: I think she was refering to the late game beast part more then the early game crappy part.

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But yes. I was mainly referring to the hypercarry part, though the crappy early game part was also implied.

[Glork]

All of nami's skills give the speedboost, Glork.

It's like talking to a brick wall.

Edit: I'm going to try to explain this by reiterating the context of our discussion and doing some simple math for you.
1) In the conversation, cabs specifically asked why you would cast Q on yourself or an ally.
2) BROseidon responded by saying you could use Nami's Q to get to lane or roam faster.
3) Thus, we are specifically talking about

whether it is useful to cast Nami's Q on yourself to roam or move down lane faster

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4) Nami's base movement speed is 335. This means that in 1 second, she moves 335 units of distance.
5) Let's assume that Nami's Q has a 0.25 second cast time (which is pretty standard for most abilities). This means that when you cast Q, you lose (335 * 0.25) = 83.75 units of distance.
6) Nami's passive gives 40+(0.1*AP) movement speed for 1.5 seconds.
7) Thus, if you assume 20AP from Runes/Masteries/Items, casting Q on yourself will net 42*1.5 = 63 units of distance.

You would still LOSE 20 units of distance by Qing yourself as you head back to lane. You would need 150 AP in order to break even, which won't happen unless you are well into the game (at which point, you'd have boots and actually lose even MORE distance), or you're fed and snowballing hard, in which case it probably doesn't matter that you get back to lane a tenth of a second faster.

TL;DR, don't cast Q/W on yourself as Nami if you're trying to get somewhere quickly. Only E is worth because it has no cast time/animation lockout.

[Voidedmafia]

I thought her W was immediate, at least when cast on herself? (actually, can she cast that on herself?)

[Glork]

Nope, you pause to cast it on yourself. Try it out and see.

[Cabd]

W is not immediate, it can be self cast though. Useful if your ADC is dead and you're safe under your tower but would otherwise die to ignite/one last autoattack poke

[Papa Zito]

I've posted this video before and it's from a year ago (I've improved a lot since then x-x), but here is an example of where I mostly just E my adc or E the enemy to get bush vision.

Spoiler:

this fucking video

[PJ.]

I've posted this video before and it's from a year ago (I've improved a lot since then x-x), but here is an example of where I mostly just E my adc or E the enemy to get bush vision.

Spoiler:

this fucking video

It kills me too Zito.

[Brandi]

[animorpherv1]

You would still LOSE 20 units of distance by Qing yourself as you head back to lane. You would need 150 AP in order to break even, which won't happen unless you are well into the game (at which point, you'd have boots and actually lose even MORE distance), or you're fed and snowballing hard, in which case it probably doesn't matter that you get back to lane a tenth of a second faster.

This is why you E yourself back to lane. It has no cast time.

[TheButtonmen]

mana crystal is the correct start 98% of the time on ryze

boots/4 is the only other midlly acceptable start but that's usually for midlane skillshot matchups

Jesus christ no, blue crystal is the exact opposite of what you want to start on ryze.

Ryze is an endgame monster, Ryze has difficulty in the early game. Blue crystal does fuck all for your early game you want items which allow you to survive long enough to get going. In top lane Dorans shield is goddamn amazing, less so when in mid-lane but still utterly amazing in some match ups.

[Cabd]

Wrong thread jason. There's an esports thread.

[JasonWazza]

my bad, that's me being an egoposter.

[Glork]

You would still LOSE 20 units of distance by Qing yourself as you head back to lane. You would need 150 AP in order to break even, which won't happen unless you are well into the game (at which point, you'd have boots and actually lose even MORE distance), or you're fed and snowballing hard, in which case it probably doesn't matter that you get back to lane a tenth of a second faster.

This is why you E yourself back to lane. It has no cast time.

Did you read any of what I posted?

[animorpherv1]

Whoever's telling you to Q back into lane is stupid. You E back to lane.

[notscience]

Yeah I didn't read the full discussion tbh

I thoguht it was moreso "does it proc with the ability" rather than "is it of any actual use"

[Glork]

Whoever's telling you to Q back into lane is stupid. You E back to lane.

Yes, and there wasn't any doubt that E back to lane was fine. The discussion was specificslly about Q, so to see two people come in halfway through the conversation and start talking about other abilities is really irritating.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

you only want to q boost an ally if you're far behind your said ally and he has the potential to chase

[Ankamius]

Streaming some SoloQ at like high-silverish ELO

[BROseidon]

I don't think bubble (even on your own feet) gets you to lane faster because of cast time. Haven't actually timed it though.

I'm fairly certain it does and you can also get your adc there faster with it.