Open 573: C9++

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Vote Count 2.5

His spirit is smoke ascended to high heaven.
His father, by the cruelest way of pain,
Had bidden him to his bosom once again;
The awful sin remained still unforgiven.
All night a bright and solitary star
(Perchance the one that ever guided him,
Yet gave him up at last to Fate's wild whim)
Hung pitifully o'er the swinging char.
Day dawned, and soon the mixed crowds came to view
The ghastly body swaying in the sun:
The women thronged to look, but never a one
Showed sorrow in her eyes of steely blue;
And little lads, lynchers that were to be,
Danced round the dreadful thing in fiendish glee.
-Claude McKay

massive (3): Nero Cain, sthar8, wgeurts
wgeurts (3): Aneninen, davesaz, Heartless,
sthar8 (2): 50 Shades of Purple, Brian Skies
Nero Cain (1): massive
davesaz (1): MonkeyMan
Heartless (0):
Brian Skies (0):
Aneninen (0):
Death Stare (0):
50 Shades of Purple (0):
MTD (0):
MonkeyMan (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (2): Death Stare, MTD

With 12 alive, it is seven to Lynch or No Lynch.

Deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2014-10-25 16:00:00) on October 25th, 2014 at PST (GMT-8).

I lied. Flavor will be spotty at best until Monday. Sorry guys. I'll be sure to hit at least one VC a day though.

[Brian Skies]

@BrainSkies: I've been scumreading Wgeurts for a while, regardless of his claim (though, it fits into the picture).

Really? I don't remember. I don't really feel like going back and looking for it, but I'd appreciate it if you'd show me.

Also, why do you think Sthar is scum? What's your read on Wgeurts?

I have a scumread on Wgeurts.

I think Sthar could be scum, but it's not a read I feel strongly about just based on his overall activity. I'm really just sheeping TTH and Mollie because I think they're town and I think Sthar could be a buddy of Wgeurts. I also don't like his argument about Massive being scum just because they couldn't get a deadline lynch yesterday. It's possible people either weren't on and failed to coalesce or mafia didn't care to push wagon through. I also don't understand why Sthar's been advocating a townread on Wgeurts because I fail to see Wgeurt's towniness. I'm mostly following the wagon to see where it goes and because I'm not interested in a Massive wagon with both Sthar and Wgeurts sitting on it.

Do you think Sthar's town? If so, why?

Why did you make these posts:

Spoiler:

Okay, Wguerts. Can you provide a link for a game you've been in on the site you've played? Herinner je je dat ik Nederlands lezen kan. ^_^ (Remember: I can read Dutch.)

Wguerts. I know it hasn't been intentional, but talking about ongoing games (and, as far as I know, linking them) is against the site rules. Sorry, we must do this:

@Mod. We need a post deletion. This: 1024

I'm referring to this post: 117. Are there any games you were in on another site?

http://forums.warsworldnews.com/viewtop ... start=1080
Here's a game not from here.

Eeeew! Cop+Doctor setup. Easily breakable. Also, the game itself wasn't too interesting. (Disqualified players? WTF?) Who were you anyway (I mean, what was your name there)?
Back to this game, thanks for your effort but that gave me no additional information, sorry.

[Brian Skies]

I was giddy when wg was posting earlier because he had Death Stare in his sights, who I thought was scum and still think is scum, and then was starting to drop the monkey scumread he had earlier. This was cool in a time when I didn't feel many people were drawing solid conclusions.

I can see you thinking this and I sometimes townread people for similar reasons.

I'll need to review Deathy2. I remember having a light townread on them earlier because of their pushback on Wgeurts, but I honestly don't remember what they've been doing since.

I thought wg was town earlier in the game, but then started hating him after his reaction to his wagon. In particular, I didn't like his jump on massive's wagon and I didn't like his vote on massive Day 2, nor have I liked anything he's said Day 2.

I was gonna run down through my reasons of not liking Wgeurts, but now I'm waffling because his iso doesn't look as bad as I originally thought. While I sort out my thoughts, what do you think about Aneninen suddenly pushing the wagon away from Sthar and onto Wgeurts?

[Jingle]

Prodding MTD and Nero Cain.

[Brian Skies]

@Aneninen: Please disregard me asking about those quotes.

[MTD]

prod received.

[Aneninen]

@Monkeyman: I've read your case if you mean 1270. What did you mean by "no connection"? Also, you were scumreading Wgeurts before, and that'swhy I didn't like Davesaz's post. Those quotes weren't "disjointed". By the way, what do you think about 1277–1279?
Why do you think Davesaz is scummier than Wgeurts?

Sure, it's also a sign that you're not engaged in the game. Mollie has a harder time engaging as scum. I think it's cause she's so sweet.
And really? Not being aware of the nightkill?

When Mollie is scum, it is obvious that she isn't engaged because she doesn't post and she doesn't believe in her pushes: she doesn't mind reading games as scum more than she minds reading games as town, she minds posting and manipulating people. If you want to make a case for us being unengaged, make the case.

Okay. Can you link a game Mollie was scum in?
Also, I'm asking again. What do you have against Sthar besides that "tactical lurking" bullshyt?
Can you recapitulate your case against DeathStare too?

There are a few things I'd like to say to Anenien and dave that I won't right now because I'm too tired. So I'll push it to tomorrow.
-TTH

Noted. Ask your questions.

________

Brain Skies-mix.

@BrainSkies: I've been scumreading Wgeurts for a while, regardless of his claim (though, it fits into the picture).

Really? I don't remember. I don't really feel like going back and looking for it, but I'd appreciate it if you'd show me.

My case was posted in 1039, there are some additional bits in 1108, 1156, 1274

Do you think Sthar's town? If so, why?

I've already explained it a couple of times. In short: If he were scum he

would not

do a tactical lurking after he had V/LA-d / lurked and flipped scum in another game I had been in. He'd either have chosen a different gameplay or would have killed me at Night1.

As for those quotes (I know that you told me to disregard them but the answer is very easy.) Wgeurts is a newcomer on Mafiascum and I wanted to know more about his gameplay. I checked that game but I failed to get useful information. Both the setup and the game were terrible. I also had another reason for those posts which is to be found in my case against him.

[sthar8]

The argument is that I lurk tactically for advantage as scum. a) I haven't been active lurking, I was actually just v/la for a while and b) mollie started pushing me for being absent while I was V/LA and didn't let up when I came back. She knows my meats, she knows I can be inconsistent sometimes. She knows it's not a scumtell, and in fact she knows that I'm more likely to be super active as scum.

She attacked you while you were being V/LA for posting elsewhere, which I don't find unreasonable if you're known for tactical lurking.

Are you even talking to each other? I was posting 'elsewhere?' Are you fucking kidding me? Mollie's case is that Nero saw me posting in sitechat while I was V/LA. Because, you know, there is NO FUCKING WAY I would have time to post dick jokes in sitechat but NOT analyze game content and make posts. Right?

@TTH- Are we still lynching me? Or are we just gonna ignore me all day and talk about how I'm CLEARLY scum?

[TellTaleHeart]

I

hope

I won't have to push this to tomorrow but life is killing me right now.

[Nero Cain]

Don't replace me. Today was football day, I'll be back tomorrow.

[MonkeyMan]

You don't consider my posts to be agreement / commenting on your case? Or I'm not a person?

I don't remember you doing that at all.

[MonkeyMan]

For real, what do I have to do to get people to talk to or about me?

What do you think of sthar?

Sthar seems to always be in a bad mood and make me not want to talk to them. I feel like I did they would just attack me or something like that and then I would attack them back and it would just be needless noise. They are null otherwise because I only remember them dodging reading the game.

@person who asked about dave and Wrgeurts:

It didn't seem like the wrgeurts wagon was going anywhere so I figured I would try pushing a different wagon on another scum read.

VOTE: wrgeurts

[sthar8]

I dont ever poke first. I'm def in a bad mood, but if you have questions I can be civil.

You're prob town though.

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Prodding massive and wgeurts.

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Vote Count 2.6

By a lonely prison wall
I heard a young girl calling
Michael they are taking you away
For you stole Trevelyans corn
So the young might see the morn
Now a prison lay waiting in the bay.
-Fields of Athenry

wgeurts (4): Aneninen, davesaz, Heartless, MonkeyMan
massive (3): Nero Cain, sthar8, wgeurts
sthar8 (2): 50 Shades of Purple, Brian Skies
Nero Cain (1): massive
davesaz (0):
Heartless (0):
Brian Skies (0):
Aneninen (0):
Death Stare (0):
50 Shades of Purple (0):
MTD (0):
MonkeyMan (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (2): Death Stare, MTD

With 12 alive, it is seven to Lynch or No Lynch.

Deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2014-10-25 16:00:00) on October 25th, 2014 at PST (GMT-8).

I lied. Flavor will be spotty at best until Monday. Sorry guys. I'll be sure to hit at least one VC a day though.

[massive]

I don't usually come to the boards in the weekend ... Sitting in front of a computer all day all week is enough for me. So I am posting due to prod to say exactly that. And I'll see you on Monday.

[wgeurts]

Prod accepted.

[MTD]

Ok, I am pretty much read up now.

I wouldn't support a sthar lynch, I wouldn't support a massive lynch.

I do support a wguerts lynch.

VOTE: wguerts

L-2

[50 Shades of Purple]

but the starella wagon is so beautiful

VOTE: wguerts

(I am doing this without nacho looking)

L-1

[wgeurts]

I'm at L-1?
I'm Vanilla Town as said before, I'm a guaranteed mis lynch. However I know nothing I'm going to say will stop the wagon so all I can say is; Hammer away

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: wgeurts

[davesaz]

You don't consider my posts to be agreement / commenting on your case? Or I'm not a person?

I don't remember you doing that at all.

1255
I see you didn't really reply to it. Folks should remember this for the next day.

[sthar8]

but the starella wagon is so beautiful

VOTE: wguerts

(I am doing this without nacho looking)

L-1

can you nightkill me tonight?

[wgeurts]

I'm dead I see, welp.
I'm actually VT for all your info...

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Vote Count Day 2 Final Vote Count

Standing on the shore, the argument got very heated. Shouts ran back and forth. The drawbridge on the other side of the river shifted, cutting short the discussion. It fell quickly, crushing wgeurts. A brief survey of the surrounding area shows a lever behind one of the bushes. Oh, well. It seems the creepy voice was right about the lever. As a group you lay wgeurts to rest then camp out at the edge of the bridge, settling in for an uneasy night.

wgeurts (4): Aneninen, davesaz, Heartless, MonkeyMan, MTD, 50 Shades of Purple, Brian Skies
massive (3): Nero Cain, sthar8, wgeurts
Nero Cain (1): massive
sthar8 (0):
davesaz (0):
Heartless (0):
Brian Skies (0):
Aneninen (0):
Death Stare (0):
50 Shades of Purple (0):
MTD (0):
MonkeyMan (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (2): Death Stare,

A LYNCH HAS BEEN REACHED!

It is now Night 2. Deadline for night actions is in (expired on 2014-10-22 14:00:00) at 3:00 PM on Wednesday, October 23th Pacific Time.

Wgeurts has been Lynched.

He was:

A Vanilla Townie.

Vanilla Townie

Welcome to Open 573, wgeurts, you are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities:
Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.