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Post Post #5000 (ISO) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:06 am

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In post 4993, Shanba wrote:
In post 4992, chamber wrote:I don't know, looks like its just sloppy shuffling to me.

It very well could be. With Trevor, the fact that he was clearly watching the bottom card made it pretty definitive, but without being able to see his head I really can't say for sure. The only times, where he's shuffling zoomed out, it looks like he's looking away, but he could be like, looking out fo the corner of his eye idk.


You could also see him periodically moving cards to the front. His case was a no brainer. This one -could- be cheating. I'd suggest the guy clean up his shuffling habits, but I wouldn't be willing to condemn him for it. Thats all I can say.
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Post Post #5001 (ISO) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:19 am

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Yeah. Humphries was no doubt. This is shady shuffling, but its hard to say definitively that hes cheating, because I can't actually see anywhere that he's actually looking at the deck in any of these videos.
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Post Post #5002 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:58 am

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I don't know if this is real, but that seems like a lot seeing as bertoncini only got 12 months...
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Post Post #5003 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:06 am

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Dude needs to charge their phone.
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Post Post #5004 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:43 am

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Humphries gone for four years, Bertoncheaty for three. Good day.
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Post Post #5005 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:44 am

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Post Post #5006 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:50 am

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Post Post #5007 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:22 am

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There was a big uproar on r/magictcg because the cheaters had been getting more lenient punishments than the buttcrack guy. I wonder if that's causing them to give out 3-4 year bans
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Post Post #5008 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:39 am

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I would have been stricter. Cheating in a tournament that costs that much time and money to get to, let alone play in, and has a cash prize? I'd have handed out lifetime bans. There's no excuses for this shit.
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Post Post #5009 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:55 am

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Meh, they try to stick to the idea of "everyone can come back around", which I disagree with on principle.

Good riddance to cheaters, is my takeaway.
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Post Post #5010 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:13 am

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There are certain levels of competition giving people second chances is fine. Anyone who's willing to cheat at this level is probably irredeemable, though, and good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Post Post #5011 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:54 am

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I can't believe Bertoncheaty doesn't have a lifetime ban at this point. To not just get caught repeatedly cheating once, but then to come back after one suspension and do the exact same thing... and still 'only' get 3 years, is just incredible.
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Post Post #5012 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:56 am

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I kinda agree with KoC/BV here I guess.

Like, ok. I am pretty opposed to permabans as a general principal. I don't like the idea that we give up on people and I don't like the idea that people can never changed.

But this guy? This guy clearly doesn't give a fuck. Clearly was, is and always will be unrepentant and clearly just intends to keep doing it. Why exactly would we let him back in?
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Post Post #5013 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:26 pm

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On a cheerier note, we've got two new spoilers from Commander 2014. I'm going to be brewing with Feldon here soon.

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Post Post #5014 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:25 pm

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The one thing I always admired about Bertoncini was that he wasn't afraid to wave it in the DCI's face. I mean, his twitch handle was '2explore', and who can forget when he said his favorite card in Legacy as Explore? I mean, that takes cajones.

I will miss him in that way, I guess? Remember when reynad wrote that article when he got banned(I
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Post Post #5015 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:30 pm

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Post Post #5016 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:08 pm

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http://www.draftmagic.com/2013/04/30/th ... f-the-dci/

This, paradoxically, I think, really has hurt Magic in another way because before the ban, reynad was the number one twitch streamer of MTG--MJ was gettng ~1-2k views at the time and Andrey was getting ~3-5k. After this incident, he jumped ship and is now one of the top Hearthstone streamers(I always see him with between 15-20k views) and he takes every chance he gets to shittalk MtG and WotC. I would not doubt in the slightest that he has hurt them in some slight way, honestly.

I do agree with his statement in the article, though, that the DCI should not be able to issue bans for things said on social media.
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Post Post #5017 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:06 pm

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I don't know the guy but it sounds like his major fuck up was saying that he cheated on the form that was submitted (true or false).

I think it's ok for them to take into consideration how repentant you are being. It doesn't really sound like that's what they did in his case.
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Post Post #5018 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 5:12 pm

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I (as a general premise) agree with the idea that social media and outside magic activities should not be within the scope of the DCI except at a pro level, the way any sanctioning body can and does suspend members for breaches of the code of conduct.

Except for Bertoncinni though. Fuck that guy.
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Post Post #5019 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:17 pm

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3-0-1 at card kingdom with jeskai deck wins. First time playing the deck. Dig through time is just a straight up stupid card.

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Post Post #5020 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:44 pm

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Went 2-1 with this: http://i.imgur.com/VI9EmVK.jpg

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Post Post #5021 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:42 pm

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How'd Goblinslide/Quiet Contemplation treat you? You've got some pretty good cards in the board that I'd play over those.
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Post Post #5022 (ISO) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:39 pm

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I have in the past watched reynad streaming, and I can definitely say that the guy is the most colossal of douchebags. Like, magic streamers have a tendency to issue withering putdowns to the people watching them in this weird kinda I"M BETTER THAN YOU thing, but reynad brought it to a whole new level.

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Post Post #5023 (ISO) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:21 am

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I don't watch him a lot because of the attitude thing, but from what I understand from people that do watch him,the biggest appeal is how upset he gets when he's losing.
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Post Post #5024 (ISO) » Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:09 am

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In post 5021, Natirasha wrote:How'd Goblinslide/Quiet Contemplation treat you? You've got some pretty good cards in the board that I'd play over those.


They were fantastic, because I built around them. I first picked Jeskai Ascendancy, a pack came by with both of them, and I decided to go all in on noncreature spells. Picked Goblinslide since I knew I'd be light on creatures and Jeskai Ascendancy could make up for the fact that they're just 1/1s. Then Quiet Contemplation wheeled. I absolutely tempo'd out my opponents with a single creature and a single one of the three "noncreature spells matter" cards.
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