Why?
In post 1338, sthar8 wrote:Also everybody on the yoggreuts wagon now has NO proficiency cred. That was fucking awful and you should feel bad.
In post 1350, Nero Cain wrote: In post 1349, Heartless wrote:Knowing that mollie jumped onto the massive wagon after pressure might tell us something though, I'm just not sure what yet. My first inclination is that it means massive is town.
Why town? Mollie was clearly calling Massive scum but was hesitant to vote. Why do you think that isn't not wanting to vote a scumbud?
She thought Massive was scum? I thought she was twisting the Massive argument into a Sthar scumread?
In post 1385, Death Stare wrote:1) I'm willing to be flipped for the sake of people puzzlesolving, but does my townflip condemns MonkeyMan?
2) SK has only 1 bulletproof and since wugerts was roleblocked N1, that means SK didn't kill or mafia hit a bulletproof SK.
1) I'm not aware of any way your townflip would condemn MonkeyMan. Maybe an investigation result or setup speculation.
2) We don't know if there are other roles affecting the kills. We could have a vig, or there could be a doc or other power role interfering with the kills. I agree with Sthar that a massclaim should happen at some point.
In post 1389, Aneninen wrote:MonkeyMan had not posted anything about being a Roleblocker before you posted this. How do you know what happened at Night?!
Probably the way he targeted DeathStare and proceeded to make a case fit a read rather than the other way around. Or at least, this is why I think MonkeyMan's claim is probably legit.
In post 1389, Aneninen wrote:There are more problems with this specualtion.
(1) You ruled out 0T, T and 2T because of "flipped townies". There are two flipped VTs so, your logic makes no sense here.
(2) Where is the missing kill of Night1? What if there's a 1-shot Vig? What if there's a Vig who didn't kill? What if there's a Doc? What if the SK and the Mafia both targetted TSO?
(3) Why do you think that we have more than 1 Town Roleblocker? If we have one Roleblocker that one is NOT 1-shot and it must be MonkeyMan.
(4) Crosskill both Nights? How do you know that? TSO was VT, how on Gods' Green Earth could it have been a Crosskill?! Had the SK targetted a Mafia at Night1, a Mafia would have died. Had the Mafia targetted the SK at Night1, there should have been 2 kills at Night2. (Regardless of their target.)
(5) Why does the Mafia know who the SK is?
1) I think he misunderstood how the setup was determined and thought the T's were represented by the VT's in the setup.
3) Well, if he's town and thinks Monkeyman could be a roleblocker, I think this is a fair conclusion to come up with.
Everything else in his theory is based on these two points. The crosskill doesn't make sense, and I think he just means mafia hit SK night 1 and SK hit mafia night 2.
In post 1407, Nero Cain wrote:Well obviously PGO isn't in the game so him fake claiming PGO looks like a vig/sk claim. So I think he did kill 50 and you are obviously lying about blocking him.
In post 1408, Nero Cain wrote:but if Monkey is scum and is basically fakeclaiming then that would be pretty much suicide me thinks unless he has a scumbuddy left so I'm of the mind to lynch not Monkey/DS today.
? If MonkeyMan really did roleblock DeathStare, then DeathStare can't be the vig/SK (or at least not the person who killed Purple).
And the PGO thing just looks like a joke, not a fake-claim.
In post 1410, Nero Cain wrote:You know that thing that I said about Mollie being scum 'cause town Mollie doesn't town read me? Yea,
skies is guilty of the same thing
And you're making this accusation based on what? Two large games I replaced out of on Day 1? As if even if it were true, I couldn't change my perspective of you? I remember notscience getting paranoid of me in a game for a similar reason, but it pretty much boiled down to me trying to figure out how to read him.
In post 1410, Nero Cain wrote:like Massive is still scummy 'cause that early d2 claim is still not town
and he's not doing much hunting at all.
I'll buy the bolded part. The first part is still just really 'meh' for me.
In post 1446, Death Stare wrote:Every player currently alive gives their opinion on the current situation and a read on us.
Town. But I've already proven the unreliability of my reads and we could do worse than sheep a claimed roleblocker.
In post 1457, Death Stare wrote:One last note: if the last sentence happens, then you are most likely in MyLo. I believe this is a 3-man scumteam.
With one scum already flipped?