Okay, BrainSkies.
As for MTD:
In post 1553, MTD wrote: In post 1552, Aneninen wrote:Maybe the latter one because (1) I haven't ignored the possiblility of an SK and (2) I explained my ideas about the claims (and I told that the Vig should claim next Day, not this Day.)
I still can't see the benefits of MonkeyMan's gameplay if he's scum.
It was to all of you actually.
(1) I said in half your post, you sometimes did, not as much as others, though.
(2) Ok, IMO that depends on todays lynch, if we plan to lynch DS today, either should claim now I think.
(3) Well, at the beginning of the day DS put up suspicion of monkey, which I agreed with, Monkey has subsequently turned that around on DS, so I can definitely see benefits right there.
(1) I think he meant my
1528. I examined the possibility of having an SK and not having an SK too, in the aspect of my idea. Right now my idea posted there is obsolete since DeathStare was lynched.
However, a couple of things we should remember. MonkeyMan was against my idea without an explanation. I hope he managed to do something useful last Night. MTD was talking with me about it but we can't finish that conversation anymore. Nero told in
1555 that he liked my idea and he
still
voted for DeathStare.
(2) As for the claims, half of us have already claimed. I think it would be pointless to stop massclaiming now.
(3) As for MonkeyMan, see below!
(I know I haven't answered the "original" questions right now but I think a couple of things there are not relevant anymore.)
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As for BrainSkies
In post 1554, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 1528, Aneninen wrote:We know for sure that there are 0–2 Ts or 5–6 Ts
and we should assume that MonkeyMan is telling the truth, so he's Town RoleBlocker. (So, 7 Ts is not possible.)
?
3Ts and 4Ts are impossible because there is no Godfather in those setups. 7Ts would be possible only if there were no PRs and I still believe MonkeyMan's claim.
In post 1554, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 1539, Aneninen wrote:However,
you told me that it had been obvious for you that MonkeyMan would claim Roleblocker before DeathStare had mentioned that possibility
. That means, my strongest reason against DeathStare has just been refuted by you.
Why is this the strongest reason for you to suspect DeathStare? I'd think the claimed roleblock in the face of no scumkill is much more incriminating.
1
From what I've read, there is sufficient reason to suspect and/or lynch Deathstare. If we assume Monkey's claim to be true, then a 6T setup can't exist with the kill on scum (SK and Vig don't fit). A 5T setup can exist, but means we have an SK and probably not a vig.
2 Another RB or Doc claim could provide sufficient reason to not have to lynch Death today if the only reason to suspect them is the RB claim. However, the lack of a RB or Doc claim would pretty much condemn Giffy to die
3 (post has been edited by me)
(1) I thought that calling MonkeyMan a Roleblocker before his claim was an example for
"Information instead of Analysis"
. Since MTD pointed out that it was very likely that MonkeyMan had been about to claim Roleblocker, I started thinking that it was only me who hadn't realized it. So, it wasn't an
"Information instead of Analysis"
at all.
(2) You pointed out an error in my original post. Thanks, that makes the things a bit clearer. If it turns out that the setup is either 5T or 6T – we'll know that because of the massclaim – either we have an SK or MonkeyMan lied. But, I still don't see the benefits of MonkeyMan's gameplay if he's scum.
@Anyone who thinks he's lying, please explain why it would be useful for MonkeyMan to fake-claim a Roleblocker.
(3) After half of the claim I start to think that the setup is not in the 0–2T zone. Simple statistics, I suppose. The most "packed" version would be eg. VVCCRTT, because VV= Vigilante (unlimited) and CC= Cop (unlimited). Of course, there may be other versions too but if there
were
at least 3 PRs, the other two PRs should have provided us something useful – and we had a mislynch Yesterday! Eg. referring to your post, BrainSkies, I mean, someone could have done something for DeathStare.
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Right now, I'm waiting for the other claims. But meanwhile, I saw something interesting...
In post 1567, davesaz wrote:@MonkeyMan I don't think you get to just order people to claim, even something as simple as "not 1-shot vig". Is everyone scum if nobody responds?
Does it help scum more than town if some answer and some don't?
Whatever you do, don't reveal your RB target
until we know if the setup is 2T or 5T
.
Am I an idiot again or is it an
Information instead of Analysis
?
I'll do my best to ensure a quick start of day, however. ![:]](./images/smilies/icon_smiling.png "Cheerful Smile"){kind=icon}
