Open 573: C9++

[davesaz]

Nero repeats it, referring to my "hard defense of 50" which is just plain bull

ACTUALLY.....I was the first one that called your vote on me (for voting mollie) a chainsaw. I think when you call my case on Mollie (which was spot on btw) bad, call me scummy for naked voting 50 while conveniently ignoring other naked voters I think its perfectly logical to look at you as having defended your buddy.

I could buy this, if there were any evidence in thread that you thought 50 was scum before that vote. It would be really helpful if you could point to that, perhaps even with a quote.

[Nero Cain]

ummmm...its kinda hard to suspect someone before they post the post that someone is suspicious of.

If you think that I'm the sk, who do yu think is group scum and why?

[Jingle]

Prodding MonkeyMan.

[Aneninen]

Antihero's profile for Serial Killer was someone who posted enough to avoid suspicion but didn't stick their neck out to far to avoid drawing the nightkill. On the surface, the GreyFoxx/Brian Skies/Majiffy slot seems to fit that profile to a "T" but I'm bothered by the fact that the day 2 activity doesn't look like it leads up to a 50 Shades kill.

I've been thinking about the same. BrianSkies had very few posts, Majiffy's catchup was basicly a non-existent one. As if he were/is waiting for a case for sheeping. But, I want to see more posts from Majiffy.

As for your "case" that 50Shades were defending me, I can tell very few things. I remembered the post you've quoted before – it would be hard for me not to remember that, ugh. But, if you want more content from me about the topic, give me some time. After all, I've never been thinking about a topic like "what if someone thinks that I'm 50Shades' scumbuddy" before...

________

Everyone

I haven't forgotten that I promised a VCA. It'll arrive as soon as I'm able to do it.
I wanted to write that post today but I had to donate blood and before my evening-work I had to sleep and I had too little time for Mafia and wanna laugh, everyone? It turned out that I'm low on red blood cells and because I don't eat meat I have been ordered to drink red wine regularly. ^_^

[MonkeyMan]

Majiffy, I am confirmed town and so it dave. That is all you need to know.

[Aneninen]

So, let's start.

Spoiler: Day1 Analysis

1.1

Nero Cain (2): sthar8, MTD
Death Stare (2): massive, davesaz
50 Shades of Purple (2): Death Stare, Nero Cain
GrayFoxxxx (2): Aneninen,
sthar8 (1): Heartless
Heartless (1): MonkeyMan
davesaz (1): GrayFoxxxx
Not Voting(3): 50 Shades of Purple, Stavrogin, wgeurts

1.2

Death Stare (3): massive, davesaz, 50 Shades of Purple
Nero Cain (2): sthar8, MTD
wgeurts (2): MonkeyMan, Nero Cain
GrayFoxxxx (2): Aneninen
50 Shades of Purple (1): Death Stare
sthar8 (1): Heartless
davesaz (1): GrayFoxxxx
No Lynch (1): wgeurts
Not Voting(1): Stavrogin

1.3

Death Stare (4): davesaz, 50 Shades of Purple, Heartless, Nero Cain
MonkeyMan (2): Death Stare, massive
Nero Cain (1): sthar8
wgeurts (1): MonkeyMan
GrayFoxxxx (1): Aneninen
sthar8 (1): GrayFoxxxx
Aneninen (1): MTD
No Lynch (1): wgeurts
Not Voting(1): Stavrogin

1.4

MonkeyMan (3): Death Stare, massive, davesaz
Death Stare (2): 50 Shades of Purple, Nero Cain
Nero Cain (1): sthar8
sthar8 (1): GrayFoxxxx
Aneninen (1): MTD
davesaz (1): Heartless
Stavrogin (1): Aneninen
No Lynch (1): wgeurts
Not Voting(1): Stavrogin, MonkeyMan

By 1.3 a wagon was emerged against DeathStare. No reason were given from 50Shades and Heartless, some (but not too much) from Nero. Heartless left the wagon for Davesaz, Davesaz left it for MonkeyMan.

1.5

MonkeyMan (4): Death Stare, massive, davesaz, sthar8
Death Stare (3): 50 Shades of Purple, Nero Cain, wgeurts
sthar8 (1): GrayFoxxxx
Aneninen (1): MTD, MonkeyMan
Stavrogin (1): Aneninen
Not Voting(2): Stavrogin, Heartless

1.6

MonkeyMan (3): massive, sthar8, wgeurts
MTD (2): Death Stare, 50 Shades of Purple
sthar8 (1): GrayFoxxxx
Aneninen (1): MonkeyMan
Nero Cain (1): davesaz
50 Shades of Purple (1): Nero Cain
GrayFoxxxx (1): Heartless
Not Voting(3): Stavrogin, Aneninen, MTD

1.7

MonkeyMan (4): massive, sthar8, wgeurts, Aneninen
MTD (2): Death Stare, 50 Shades of Purple
sthar8 (1): GrayFoxxxx
Aneninen (1): MonkeyMan
Nero Cain (1): davesaz
50 Shades of Purple (1): Nero Cain
GrayFoxxxx (1): Heartless
Not Voting(2): Stavrogin, MTD

A MonkeyMan wagon appeared while the DeathStare wagon disappeared into nothingness. What if those who were on that wagon disassembled it because it was not moving?

Some other events of interest:

– at that era (early 400-ish posts) the GrayFox–Sthar8 fight was expiring. I was asking for links from Sthar8 so as to sort him, MTD was asking the same from me (most probably also to sort me). All of these things were "decaying".
– this is mostly for Heartless: 50Shades were pushing their case against MTD regardless of the fact that he wasn't voting for me anymore (mid-400s). Their vote was still on DeathStare. I think they simply tried to get some support for their "case". Also, I was at L–5 in 1.5 and I never got closer to lynch. That may clear your "soft defense" idea, I suppose. Another thing about the MTD case: DeathStare voted for him

before

50Shades! Plus, something might be interesting for you: why didn't you use 50Shades' 477 in your case? 50Shades were erm, "soft-defending" me against Antihero there! How could you miss that? ^_^ Also, they were townreading you too, eg. in 500...
– around 525 the "well known" Chainsaw case against Davesaz started. We talked a lot about that but I've just noticed a thing: that topic was mostly restricted to the Davesaz–Nero–Aneninen trio. Let's think about this a bit, since we know 50Shades' flip and Davesaz's claim. This story

would

make sense if there were a (1) Davesaz–50Shades scumteam or a (2) Nero–Aneninen scumteam. But both of those are impossible. The other scum must have realized that this "player-chain" made no sense. It might have been too risky to join the "chain-fight" by attacking Nero since we're talking about Chainsaws... This story makes a bit less likely that Nero is scum with 50Shades.

50 Shades of Purple (3): Nero Cain, GrayFoxxxx, wgeurts
MonkeyMan (2): sthar8, Aneninen
MTD (2): Death Stare, 50 Shades of Purple
Nero Cain (2): davesaz, massive
GrayFoxxxx (1): Heartless
Death Stare (1): MonkeyMan
Not Voting (2): Stavrogin, MTD

Now, that's interesting: an 50Shades wagon was emerging!
Look at this, everyone: 608 from GrayFox! He votes for 50Shades and even if it's a short post, it's a prefect summary of their gameplay: the tunnelling against MTD and their inconsistent reads (eg. on him). I strongly doubt that this came from a mafia-partner! Also, check Heartless' reaction in their next post! Plus their 654...
(Wgeurts's vote and case against 50Shades were less interesting, unfortunately.)

Meanwhile, there was MonkeyMan's slip, in 621. I think now it's confirmed that it was a town-slip. Why was it ignored by everyone? I brought up the topic several times!
Massive voted for Nero in 623 and their fight became clear. It's strange that we were talking a lot about the Davesaz-Chainsaw while we never mentioned the possibility of a Massive-Chainsaw. Nero was voting for 50Shades at that time...

1.9

50 Shades of Purple (3): Nero Cain, GrayFoxxxx, wgeurts
MonkeyMan (2): sthar8, davesaz
MTD (1): Death Stare
Nero Cain (1): massive
GrayFoxxxx (1): Heartless
Death Stare (1): MonkeyMan
sthar8 (1): 50 Shades of Purple
davesaz (1): Aneninen
Not Voting (2): T S O, MTD

1.10

50 Shades of Purple (4): Nero Cain, GrayFoxxxx, wgeurts, T S O
MonkeyMan (2): sthar8, davesaz
MTD (1): Death Stare
Nero Cain (1): massive
GrayFoxxxx (1): Heartless
Death Stare (1): MonkeyMan
sthar8 (1): 50 Shades of Purple
davesaz (1): Aneninen
Not Voting (1): MTD

1.11

50 Shades of Purple (4): Nero Cain, GrayFoxxxx, wgeurts, T S O
MonkeyMan (2): sthar8, davesaz
Nero Cain (1): massive
GrayFoxxxx (1): Heartless
Death Stare (1): MonkeyMan
sthar8 (1): 50 Shades of Purple
davesaz (1): Aneninen
Not Voting (2): MTD, Death Stare

Nothing really exciting here. The 50Shades wagon stopped. There were very few moves at this time.

1.12

50 Shades of Purple (2): GrayFoxxxx, wgeurts,
MonkeyMan (2): sthar8, davesaz
massive (2): Heartless, Nero Cain
sthar8 (2): 50 Shades of Purple, T S O
Nero Cain (1): massive
Death Stare (1): MonkeyMan
davesaz (1): Aneninen
T S O(1): MTD
Not Voting (1): Death Stare

This was a terrible part. We were getting close to deadline yet we didn't do anything useful. (This goes for me as well.) The 50Shades-wagon started to fade away. But, TSO was town and Nero could have derailed that much earlier if he were their partner.

1.13 – final VC

massive (5): Heartless, Nero Cain, sthar8, T S O, MonkeyMan
sthar8 (2): 50 Shades of Purple, wgeurts
wgeurts (2): Aneninen, davesaz
50 Shades of Purple (1): GrayFoxxxx
T S O(1): MTD
Nero Cain (1): massive
Not Voting (1): Death Stare

I started voting Wgeurts and hoped that others would join me. I only mentioned it now because he was the Day2 lynch (I mean, for further reference.) At that time there were no major wagons and after my post I was away.
50Shades could have jumped on the Massive-wagon to put it at L–1. It didn't happen. They started to build their Sthar-case instead. Davesaz joined me, perhaps he thought that the Wgeurts-wagon would move. I don't think GrayFox was here at all at that time (or was he lurking?), and I'm almost sure that MTD was away. Maybe DeathStare too.
However... I start to think that the Day1 No Lynch was merely a coincidence. Too many players were away at that time thatswhy we were unable to achieve a lynch.

Conclusions after Day1

The possibility of being 50Shades' partner:
GrayFoxx/Brian/Majiffy – very low. Because of that post from GrayFoxx I linked.
Nero – low. His gameplay wouldn't make too much sense if he were Mafia.
Sthar – unsure. Their Day1 interaction tells me nothing. (I remember that Day2 will change this read drastically!)
Massive – medium. No direct evidences, but his attack on Nero might have been a Chainsaw, plus, 50Shades could have put Massive at L–1 at the end of the day.
Heartless – high. They're saying that 50Shades were townreading and defending me. As for the latter one, see above. As for their so-colled townread: they were constantly townreading Heartless on Day1. All the time! Even their "soft-defense" case against me missed elements which they could have been found easily. I think they're drawing the attention away from themselves.

I find no useful information for finding the SK here.

Note that this post contains

only

my Day1 conclusions! I'll post my final conclusions after I've examined everything, so, my reads may change later a lot!

[Jingle]

Vote Count 4.4

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

massive (2): Nero Cain, Heartless
Nero Cain (1): massive
MonkeyMan (0):
sthar8 (0):
davesaz (0):
Heartless (0):
Brian Skies (0):
Aneninen (0):
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (8): MonkeyMan, sthar8, Brian Skies, Aneninen, davesaz,

With 8 Alive, it is 5 to Lynch or No Lynch.

It is now Day 4. Deadline is in (expired on 2014-11-15 21:00:00) at 10:00 PM on Saturday, November 15th Pacific Time.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy's catchup was basicly a non-existent one. As if he were/is waiting for a case for sheeping.

It isn't "basically" and "as if", it's

exactly

that.

And you're getting really close to touching on one of my current site meta scumtells.

[Majiffy]

VOTE: Aneninen

Your ISO is full of over-explanation, absolving responsibility for your reads, and a lot of do-nothing busywork.

[Heartless]

Heartless – high. They're saying that 50Shades were townreading and defending me. As for the latter one, see above. As for their so-colled townread: they were constantly townreading Heartless on Day1. All the time! Even their "soft-defense" case against me missed elements which they could have been found easily. I think they're drawing the attention away from themselves.

lol

you have fun with tth now

[davesaz]

Heartless – high. They're saying that 50Shades were townreading and defending me. As for the latter one, see above. As for their so-colled townread: they were constantly townreading Heartless on Day1. All the time! Even their "soft-defense" case against me missed elements which they could have been found easily. I think they're drawing the attention away from themselves.

lol

you have fun with tth now

Since you're here, can you update us on who is scum?

[Majiffy]

I have this niggling feeling I've played with you before, Dave.

Which is weird, because you're relatively new.

[davesaz]

I have played on CivFanatics, Total War org, and TWC. And if you're in a modding hydra, could be you modded a game I played?

[Nero Cain]

@Dave-you have good taste in video games and I hope your play is better in them than mafia

also

If you think that I'm the sk, who do yu think is group scum and why?

[Aneninen]

Majiffy's catchup was basicly a non-existent one. As if he were/is waiting for a case for sheeping.

It isn't "basically" and "as if", it's

exactly

that.¹
And you're getting really close to touching on one of my current site meta scumtells.²

(1) How exactly does your gameplay help the town then?
(2) ...namely?

vote: Aneninen

Your ISO is full of over-explanation, absolving responsibility for your reads, and a lot of do-nothing busywork.

That was gross.

Achievement unlocked:

you've just get an Aneninen-read on Aneninen, lol. Should you check my meta you'd find the same thing everywhere.
And I think you're close to being SK-read by me.

you have fun with tth now

Let's have fun then! But frankly, I want to finish my VCA. Until then I'm not voting. Not even for Majiffy and by doing this I'm contradicting my previous reads and intuition too.

(By the way, Anti, our good old fight has just come into my mind. "You're a fluffscum!" "No, I'm not and you're an idiot!" "Let's lynch this!" "You couldn't have read my post in 1 minute, you're scum!" "I read it!" "Did not!" "Did too!" ...)

[Nero Cain]

ya'll just need to hurry up and vote obvscum Massive.

[massive]

Yeah, so we can get to night and the real scum can shoot Nero the SK.

[Nero Cain]

I like how you continuously pop up when your name gets called.

[MonkeyMan]

BeetleJuice! BeetleJuice! BeetleJuice!

[Nero Cain]

I'd also like you to explain how my calling you scum is keeping you from scumhunting and if you think I am the sk, who is 50's buddy?

[davesaz]

Is that you saying you can't be the SK because you're 50's buddy?

[Nero Cain]

How did everyone get so bad these days?

[davesaz]

Try not being scummy when you're town. If you're town...

[Nero Cain]

good thing I've done nothing that's scummy.

[MonkeyMan]

Try not being scummy when you're town. If you're town...

You should take your own advice first.