Open 573: C9++

[Jingle]

Vote Count 1.4

there once was a boy name of jingle
who couldn't tell me the rhyme for jingle
So I decided to write
This limerick of shite
In order to figure out what rhymes with jingle.
-EspeciallyTheLies

MonkeyMan (3): Death Stare, massive, davesaz
Death Stare (2): 50 Shades of Purple, Nero Cain
Nero Cain (1): sthar8
sthar8 (1): GrayFoxxxx
Aneninen (1): MTD
davesaz (1): Heartless
Stavrogin (1): Aneninen
50 Shades of Purple (0):
Heartless (0):
wgeurts (0):
GrayFoxxxx (0):
MTD (0):
massive (0):
No Lynch (1): wgeurts
Not Voting(1): Stavrogin, MonkeyMan

With 13 Alive it is 7 to Lynch or No Lynch.


Deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2014-10-07 13:00:00) on October 7th, 2014 at 1500 PST (GMT-8).

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[Nero Cain]

Scum:

wreurts, Death Stare

this post in very lacking in dave and sthar scum reads.

Short and kinda joking (to me) posting style, making assertions but without much logic, not coming back to follow up on the comments. These are the type of posts which can be laughed off as not being really serious. In my experience, posting like this can be an indicator of scum being talkative to look active but not wanting to take a really big stand on anything that they can't back out of. It's not a very strong indicator, but it identifies you as someone to watch. Also a quick perusal of your iso shows that the majority of your posts lack a quote for context, thereby making them a bit more difficult for others to use with proper context. This leaves opportunities for using misrep claims as a defense.

This post feels very much like cherry picking. I think I've taken hard stances and I think its pretty hypocritical for you to say that I'm not taking hard stances while you aren't voting me.

woggerits has been all about the newbietells all game. Pretty obvious and clear newbie tells too. Like, newbietells 101. But I haven't seen anything scum-indicative from him. And Nero, at least, should be able to tell that wanting to no lynch and being afraid to vote are not scummy in the least coming from someone without an avatar. So, pretty basic low-hanging-fruit easy lynch hunting.

Newbie tells are going to come from newbies regardless of their alignment. You are impling that this makes him town and that's like a real stretch.

Nero, you asked something in 141 and I asked back in the next post. Do you still need an answer for or has it become obsolete by now?

yes, answer it.

[davesaz]

Another thing I've noticed. MTD voted Aneninen for fluff...

Spoiler: longish post

Simply not understanding the setup is null.

I wrote the same thing. And C9++ is not an easily-comprehend-able-ish setup, after all.

But

he said he isn't new to mafia...
I agree however that this is no tell.

I am not sure about him currently, he sure hasn't acted mega-towny, though.

Wanting to NL is normal for people coming from other sites.
Btw
@wguerts: You say we shouldn't lynch someone yet, and attack people for voting because you want to put pressure on people first. Just fyi, the most prominent way of pressuring people happens to be votes. And no, lynches don't happen because of 2 or 3 votes.

in general: It is quite obvious noone currently wants to quick-lynch anyone, so quit whining about it pls.

Aneninen's looks somewhat scummy to me. His posts are nearly all fluff, the only things he has really said about other people is

Wgeurts' play is indeed a bit strange, especially because he said that he wasn't new to Online Mafia though, I think he simply didn't undertstand the setup.

Basically saying that there is nothing interesting there and

MonkeyMan is changing his vote all the time.

Which is damn obvious.
In general I have the impression he is trying to make a good impression without risking anything. I don't like that.

VOTE: Aneninen

Death Stare is prob town, dunno about the other hydrae.
I don't really like GrayFox so far, but there's little to go on there.

Also I just realized that massive is

old

.

But then goes to post a bunch of

Spoiler: fluff

He meant my Mafiascum age.

exactly.

No idea why you assumed I knew his real age.
Or why you do.

@MTD: his real age is on his page.

uhm.... is it?

Well, there actually is the possibility to change votes, you know....

Just explain yourself itsn't that hard if you're town.

really, this isn't that hard.
Hint: there is a difference between reasons for voting someone in particular and reasons for placing a vote (regardless of the one you vote for).

This is nowhere near as important so my vote stays where it is, but keeping MTD in mind for later.

How are the latter two quotes from MTD fluff?

Incorrect terminology and/or wrong posts quoted, my bad.

The point still being that MTD's content is less than stellar.

[Nero Cain]

why do you think that Davesaz is scum?

I was mainly agreeing with anti-heart but his accusation that I was fluffy or didn't have any content or whatever is absolutely ridiculous.

[davesaz]

Scum:

wreurts, Death Stare

this post in very lacking in dave and sthar scum reads.

Short and kinda joking (to me) posting style, making assertions but without much logic, not coming back to follow up on the comments. These are the type of posts which can be laughed off as not being really serious. In my experience, posting like this can be an indicator of scum being talkative to look active but not wanting to take a really big stand on anything that they can't back out of. It's not a very strong indicator, but it identifies you as someone to watch. Also a quick perusal of your iso shows that the majority of your posts lack a quote for context, thereby making them a bit more difficult for others to use with proper context. This leaves opportunities for using misrep claims as a defense.

This post feels very much like cherry picking. I think I've taken hard stances and I think its pretty hypocritical for you to say that I'm not taking hard stances while you aren't voting me.

As I said, it's not a very strong indicator. You don't do it all the time, just some of the time. This post I'm quoting right now for example is a lot more concrete than many of your earlier posts. If my weak scum read were true, you might react to it by adjusting your approach to the game, so the fact you're improving doesn't completely clear you in my mind. There are other things to go on which I won't spell out at this time.

[GrayFoxxxx]

OK fox, let's do this. Have you exploded yet?

Your last line admits that you don't really have a scum read on Nero, and you are waiting to see if he drops one.

I don't think you and I are reading the same thread. I don't see anything in that post that implies this, no matter how you twist it.

Look here-

@nero- i'm wagoning for your reactions, i wanna see who cares about a wagon on you, i'm looking for opportunistic vote-hoppers, i'm waiting to expound until you've dug yourself a sufficient hole, or i think my reasoning should be obvious.

"I wont tell you why I seriously voted you"

yes

"I voted you for reactions"

No. I never said or implied that.

Look here-

@nero- i'm wagoning for your reactions, i wanna see who cares about a wagon on you, i'm looking for opportunistic vote-hoppers, i'm waiting to expound until you've dug yourself a sufficient hole, or i think my reasoning should be obvious.

"Wait I still haven't given any reasons!"

Sure, but you're implying a contradiction that doesn't exist. I had to point out that I hadn't given any reasons still because

you

were having trouble following the conversation.

Actually, if your post 154 wasn't providing reasons what was the point of it ? I literally cant see anything other than vague reasons for a serious vote.

read better. the word of the day is context. c-o-n-t-e-x-t. context.


I asked nero why i would refuse to explain as scum, he answered. Then he asked why I might refuse to explain as town, and I answered with five reasons I

might

do so. Not, you will notice, reasons to vote him in the first place. Not, obviously, the actual reasons I was withholding reasoning.

wtf is this. It sounds so odd. "Here is why I might have voted you" Sounds like a scum throwing darts trying to get something to stick.

You say you wont tell scum why you voted.

I didn't, actually. Please fact check yourself before you spout fiction.

You are right about this. I misread your ambiguous post 149

You need to understand that making petty demands based on your own failed understanding is goofy as shit. Following that with wildly inaccurate speculation that compounds your own errors is downright annoying. And when you start being annoying, pretty much everything else gets prioritized over you.[/spoiler]

I dont see how I have been demanding? You had enough time to come back and post how stupid my questioning is but you never answered. I bet I would be annoying to a scum. Are you saying you did have time to answer the question, but it was annoying? How is asking you to explain your odd posting annoying/demanding? Also alot of your arguement against me has been strawman. I just dont see town doing this so much.

[davesaz]

why do you think that Davesaz is scum?

I was mainly agreeing with anti-heart but his accusation that I was fluffy or didn't have any content or whatever is absolutely ridiculous.

There are accusations, votes, and combinations of the two. Accusations may be baseless, weak, or very strong. All of these are scum hunting methods designed to generate responses which may strengthen or weaken reads.

Whether people read my posting correctly, and how hard they try to push an incorrect read, are indicators too. The same applies to their reactions and approaches to other players.

[GrayFoxxxx]

@Aneninen-

GrayFox, 239–245 – did you really think that Sthar8 will post sooner or faster if you urge him? 16 minutes passed between the two posts I liked. Why the hell did you suppose that he had been online at all?

I was being cheeky. Because sthar said-

Yes, including the candyland nursery-school handholding for fox. Assuming he doesn't just explode from not getting his way RIGHT NOW DAMMIT.

I wasn't rushing him at all so where is he getting this? More of him trying to throw shade on my character to take away from my arguements.
I decided some verbal Judo was the best way of handling that specific quote, instead of arguing about something that didn't matter anyway. Him trying to frame me in that light just makes me think he is scum even more.

[Heartless]

it was meant to be "well its not like I'm hard to understand. All you need is basis American and some shorthand/site jargon.

+

even if he voted me its not like his accusation would true."

but it ended up posting before I was done typing. I must have hit something.

ok....

the point being...........

[GrayFoxxxx]

Looks like I can't spell either.

[sthar8]

"nero and monkey are good lynches atm, but it was easier to leave my vote on nero than CHECK THE VC and CLICK THE TAGS BUTTON and PREVIEW MY POST." – good lynches? Isn't it a bit strong on Page6?

"atm" stands for "at the moment." As in, if we were lynching RIGHT THEN, it should have been one of those two.

Also, why is it important to check the VC before voting for someone? The only reason for this I could imagine is if someone is near to lynch and I want to avoid derphammering them by accident.

This. I don't care to count up the votes, so I don't know if someone is near lynch. And IIRC there have been a couple new votes for dave and monkey in the last couple pages. Plus I want to look at wagon development; at this stage of the game a wagon made up of my townreads or scumreads will influence my opinions.

please, stop doing this! Mafia is a f-cking game, attack the posts, the cases, the votes or whatever but don't attack the players themselves. We've known each other for a while and I've never experienced such a thing from you before.

No. I'm attacking the behavior, and ridicule is a powerful behavior modification tool. I'm not interested in either capitulating or accommodating for fox, so it's better to get this out of the way now than to hand scum a free policy lynch later.

I'm sorry you've never met grumpy-sthar before, but it is definitely something that happens when someone acts aggressively and I'm on particular mood phases. There are players in the game who can testify to it being nonindicative of alignment, if you're worried about it.

I would like to echo the request to use hydra names and not the heads. And not use nicknames which have no relation to nick. And please refer to the same player the same way within your posts.

no.

so what do you call what anenien's doing right now?

Watching pidgeon porn, forming bad meta reads, and lurker hunting?

Lurker hunting and pushing easy lynches are not the same thing, though they can come from the same motivation. I tend to give the former a pass on day1 because it has a net benefit for the town.

Actually I need to go check the games I've played with anenenenin for snark and aggression.

Newbie tells are going to come from newbies regardless of their alignment. You are impling that this makes him town and that's like a real stretch.

No, I'm implying it makes him null. NOT towntelling doesn't make him scum, and NOT scumtelling doesn't make him town.

As for the people pushing him, there's very little difference between "pushing the newbie because he won't know how to defend himself" and "

bussing

the newbie because he won't know how to defend himself"

I do actually have a town read on him, but it's mostly unrelated to all the newbie tells.

p-edit oh good a fox post. one moment please.

[davesaz]

@GrayFoxxx

That posting style of imbedded replies makes it difficult for others to use the post. Not trying to bang on you, just making a public service type post, FWIW.

p-edit

Damn, I know it didn't take long to type one sentence. But activity is good.

[Heartless]

Watching pidgeon porn, forming bad meta reads, and lurker hunting?

Lurker hunting and pushing easy lynches are not the same thing, though they can come from the same motivation. I tend to give the former a pass on day1 because it has a net benefit for the town.

Actually I need to go check the games I've played with anenenenin for snark and aggression.

>pushes bulky case on you
>votes the lurkaderp

dirtyrottenscumbagdirtyrottenscumbagdirtyrottenscumbag

[Heartless]

Post-post-edit.
Oh syht, I knew I would leave out someone.
Wgeurts is lean town. His posts clearly show that he's been playing Mafia in a different way before – which is null. But, in my opinion, if he were scum he would post much less because he would try to avoid to make mistakes.

(Sigh) to make things clear, my readlist again (see my previous posts for details)

Probably town:

MTD, GrayFox

Lean town:

Wguerts, Heartless

Unsure/Unsorted:

Davesaz, Nero, DeathStare, 50Shades

Lean scum:

Monkeyman, Massive

Probably scum:

Sthar8, Stavrogin

^this is a scum reads list

First of all, can't we call the hydras their hydra names, pretty please? It's really confusing to follow things whenever someone refers to them by one of their heads.

As for the catch-up:

Spoiler:

Sthar8, 145 –

"nero and monkey are good lynches atm, but it was easier to leave my vote on nero than CHECK THE VC and CLICK THE TAGS BUTTON and PREVIEW MY POST."

– good

lynches

? Isn't it a bit strong on Page6? (Even if both of them were FoS at that point, as far as I can remember). By the way, I asked before and you haven't answered:

why are you sure that Nero is scum?

154 might have been an answer after all. Though, as GrayFox pointed it out in 162, a weird reason. (I mean, why Nero? Why not someone else?) Catch-up edit: also, see later in this post!
Also, why is it important to check the VC before voting for someone? The only reason for this I could imagine is if someone is near to lynch and I want to avoid derphammering them by accident.

DeathStare, 151 – well, thanks a lot, you're really helpful by doing that. ^_^

Davesaz, 152 –

"Reasoning can be a two edged sword for town. If you explain too much, scum can figure out how you're reading them and adjust accordingly."

– And we can read those changes too.

Nero, 159 – Wgeurts' gameplay is strange indeed but not an alignment-tell. By the way, have you ISO'd him on his home-site yet?

Heartless, 160 – Like wow, a naked vote! 164 Even if it was a joke, I suppose, you called Massive and me scum in 42. It's strange that you didn't remember your own post.

Wgeurts, 165 and in general – for Gods' Sake, vote for someone, pleeeease! A lot of us have been explaining that No Lynch doesn't help the town! Also, blitzwagons are very rare on this page. (In my very first game I thought that I might be blitzwagoned and lynched. Later realized I that I had been deeply wrong about that.)

Heartless, 169 – can you give some details about this? Maybe it's only me but I can't see the connection between the quote and your comment on it.

Nero, 176 – why do you think that Davesaz is scum? 'till that point he had hardly posted anything and he hadn't been the only one doing that. Self-note: as for DeathStare, I'll ISO them later because I'm unsure about their wagon; I want to find out whether they're scummy or the wagon is a scum-pushed one.

GrayFox, 180 – I agree with this post. Totally.

Sthar8, 191 – Uhhhh, I disliked this.

MTD, 207 – did that mean that you were townreading Sthar8? Or did that mean that you were understanding Sthar8's gameplay?

Heartless, 213/214/217 – lol, I've never been called "cute and disarming", nor "trying to be like that". Most people says that I'm fluffing on the first couple of pages and I've never denied that.

"*sigh* I'm already not able to follow a few people. Namely: Antihero, sthar8, Death Stare"

– OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! Antihero is your other head! As for your questions for

Sthar8

,

DeathStare

and 50Shades: I too want to hear the answers for those. (In general, I liked the TTH-head catch-up. Seems to be genuine.)
Catch-up edit: DeathStare's one is found. It's quite vague, in my opinion. Sthar8's answer is found too if I'm doing my catch-up right and it has been 235. It may be genuine though, I don't think most of us consider Wgeurts a low-hanging-fruit. Though, they may have considered. And Nero jumped on the DeathStare wagon in 176. We should remember that later.

Monkeyman, 216 – can you re-summarize your case against Wgeurts? (My reason for asking this is more or less the same as DeathStare's one in 220, point 2.) 221 – eeeew, was that a joke?

50Shades, 223/224 – the latter one is a good question, but, in general, will you start providing some content, pretty please?

Massive, 225 – thanks,

that

post helped a lot. ^_^

Sthar8, 229 and some posts nearby, especially 248 later – please, stop doing this! Mafia is a f-cking game, attack the posts, the cases, the votes or whatever but don't attack the players themselves. We've known each other for a while and I've never experienced such a thing from you before.

Davesaz, 232 – this may or may not be true, we're going to find it out later, I suppose. 234 – Why did you dig up those posts? Nero has posted plenty of other things since those... 237 – as for the first part, we should remember this if either Davesaz or DeathStare flips scum. As for the second part: wow, I haven't realized that. What if it is a scumtell on Monkeyman? 242 – You're wrong here. MTD is most probably town.

GrayFox, 239–245 – did you really think that Sthar8 will post sooner or faster if you urge him? 16 minutes passed between the two posts I liked. Why the hell did you suppose that he had been online at all?

Conclusions. (Not many, but better than nothing)

Spoiler:

Probably town:

MTD (I'd been townreading him before and this hasn't changed)
GrayFox (though, the latest posts about urging Sthar8 is a thing I don't like)

Lean town

Heartless (the Antihero head was null-ish, but the TellTaleHeart head seems to be very town)

Unsure/Unsorted

Davesaz (his latest posts seem to be more-or-less townis, but there are disturbing things too, see above)
Nero (I can't read him. Some of this posts seems to be genuine scumhunting but some of them, especially his scumreads are weird)
Deathstare (either I'm unable to read them or their fluff/content ratio is very bad) – can someone summarize the case against them?
50Shades (very little content) – see the next comment here
Massive (technically no content) – I would like to see much more relevant content from both of you or else I'll think that you're lurking

Lean scum

Monkeyman (he was FoS in my eyes before and his later posts have only strengthened that)

Probably scum

Sthar8 (I don't like that he's not giving away his reasons for most of the time. His play was entirely different in another game – though, I must admit that he replaced into that game and my gameplay is different too if I'm a replacement. Also, 235 gave me some town vibes.)
Stavrogin (see my previous post for my reasons)

Also,

Spoiler:

You have been pigeoned! TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

^and

this

is a scum catch-up

[wgeurts]

Ok, everyone here is so much better at mafia than on the other forum. Any articles anywhere I can read to improve?

[GrayFoxxxx]

@GrayFoxxx

That posting style of imbedded replies makes it difficult for others to use the post. Not trying to bang on you, just making a public service type post, FWIW.

p-edit

Damn, I know it didn't take long to type one sentence. But activity is good.

Sorry, I like to do it when I am answering multiple points. Ill try not to do it so much but I cant make promises.

[GrayFoxxxx]

MTD, 207 – did that mean that you were townreading Sthar8? Or did that mean that you were understanding Sthar8's gameplay?

It means His post wasn't that hard to understand. Nothing more.

Also I hate your reasons for your scumleans on massive and stavgorin (or whatever the name is).

He gives reasons for voting. Says they arent reasons. Yea that goes over my head a little.

[Heartless]

First of all, can't we call the hydras their hydra names, pretty please? It's really confusing to follow things whenever someone refers to them by one of their heads.

As for the catch-up:

Spoiler:

Sthar8, 145 –

"nero and monkey are good lynches atm, but it was easier to leave my vote on nero than CHECK THE VC and CLICK THE TAGS BUTTON and PREVIEW MY POST."

– good

lynches

? Isn't it a bit strong on Page6? (Even if both of them were FoS at that point, as far as I can remember). By the way, I asked before and you haven't answered:

why are you sure that Nero is scum?

154 might have been an answer after all. Though, as GrayFox pointed it out in 162, a weird reason. (I mean, why Nero? Why not someone else?) Catch-up edit: also, see later in this post!
Also, why is it important to check the VC before voting for someone? The only reason for this I could imagine is if someone is near to lynch and I want to avoid derphammering them by accident.

DeathStare, 151 – well, thanks a lot, you're really helpful by doing that. ^_^

Davesaz, 152 –

"Reasoning can be a two edged sword for town. If you explain too much, scum can figure out how you're reading them and adjust accordingly."

– And we can read those changes too.

Nero, 159 – Wgeurts' gameplay is strange indeed but not an alignment-tell. By the way, have you ISO'd him on his home-site yet?

Heartless, 160 – Like wow, a naked vote! 164 Even if it was a joke, I suppose, you called Massive and me scum in 42. It's strange that you didn't remember your own post.

Wgeurts, 165 and in general – for Gods' Sake, vote for someone, pleeeease! A lot of us have been explaining that No Lynch doesn't help the town! Also, blitzwagons are very rare on this page. (In my very first game I thought that I might be blitzwagoned and lynched. Later realized I that I had been deeply wrong about that.)

Heartless, 169 – can you give some details about this? Maybe it's only me but I can't see the connection between the quote and your comment on it.

Nero, 176 – why do you think that Davesaz is scum? 'till that point he had hardly posted anything and he hadn't been the only one doing that. Self-note: as for DeathStare, I'll ISO them later because I'm unsure about their wagon; I want to find out whether they're scummy or the wagon is a scum-pushed one.

GrayFox, 180 – I agree with this post. Totally.

Sthar8, 191 – Uhhhh, I disliked this.

MTD, 207 – did that mean that you were townreading Sthar8? Or did that mean that you were understanding Sthar8's gameplay?

Heartless, 213/214/217 – lol, I've never been called "cute and disarming", nor "trying to be like that". Most people says that I'm fluffing on the first couple of pages and I've never denied that.

"*sigh* I'm already not able to follow a few people. Namely: Antihero, sthar8, Death Stare"

– OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! Antihero is your other head! As for your questions for

Sthar8

,

DeathStare

and 50Shades: I too want to hear the answers for those. (In general, I liked the TTH-head catch-up. Seems to be genuine.)
Catch-up edit: DeathStare's one is found. It's quite vague, in my opinion. Sthar8's answer is found too if I'm doing my catch-up right and it has been 235. It may be genuine though, I don't think most of us consider Wgeurts a low-hanging-fruit. Though, they may have considered. And Nero jumped on the DeathStare wagon in 176. We should remember that later.

Monkeyman, 216 – can you re-summarize your case against Wgeurts? (My reason for asking this is more or less the same as DeathStare's one in 220, point 2.) 221 – eeeew, was that a joke?

50Shades, 223/224 – the latter one is a good question, but, in general, will you start providing some content, pretty please?

Massive, 225 – thanks,

that

post helped a lot. ^_^

Sthar8, 229 and some posts nearby, especially 248 later – please, stop doing this! Mafia is a f-cking game, attack the posts, the cases, the votes or whatever but don't attack the players themselves. We've known each other for a while and I've never experienced such a thing from you before.

Davesaz, 232 – this may or may not be true, we're going to find it out later, I suppose. 234 – Why did you dig up those posts? Nero has posted plenty of other things since those... 237 – as for the first part, we should remember this if either Davesaz or DeathStare flips scum. As for the second part: wow, I haven't realized that. What if it is a scumtell on Monkeyman? 242 – You're wrong here. MTD is most probably town.

GrayFox, 239–245 – did you really think that Sthar8 will post sooner or faster if you urge him? 16 minutes passed between the two posts I liked. Why the hell did you suppose that he had been online at all?

Conclusions. (Not many, but better than nothing)

Spoiler:

Probably town:

MTD (I'd been townreading him before and this hasn't changed)
GrayFox (though, the latest posts about urging Sthar8 is a thing I don't like)

Lean town

Heartless (the Antihero head was null-ish, but the TellTaleHeart head seems to be very town)

Unsure/Unsorted

Davesaz (his latest posts seem to be more-or-less townis, but there are disturbing things too, see above)
Nero (I can't read him. Some of this posts seems to be genuine scumhunting but some of them, especially his scumreads are weird)
Deathstare (either I'm unable to read them or their fluff/content ratio is very bad) – can someone summarize the case against them?
50Shades (very little content) – see the next comment here
Massive (technically no content) – I would like to see much more relevant content from both of you or else I'll think that you're lurking

Lean scum

Monkeyman (he was FoS in my eyes before and his later posts have only strengthened that)

Probably scum

Sthar8 (I don't like that he's not giving away his reasons for most of the time. His play was entirely different in another game – though, I must admit that he replaced into that game and my gameplay is different too if I'm a replacement. Also, 235 gave me some town vibes.)
Stavrogin (see my previous post for my reasons)

Also,

Spoiler:

You have been pigeoned! TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

>the "catchup" is a bunch of snipey, cutesie comments that don't really say....... anything.
>OH DEAR, UR SO MAD about people saying hydra names and sthar being a smartass. i say humparumpadumpadump adusapj;lkjk;lf3woijrhfpoiewhjqfjpoiwqejfoqwjefopewqewqjp
>"lean scum", "lean town" /fart
>a million qualifiers for sthar's scum read that all end up going fucking nowhere: "i'm gonna use this and that meta, but it's totes different from this game; also this post is town"
>all that aaaaaaaaaaaand the vote ends up on...... mr. lurkaderp no posts
>the monkeyman read is an undeveloped turd sculpture (of course it's "lean" scum)
>50 shades magically gets a pass on this

very very serious and rigorous

"activity" standard because apparently we can't look at the playerlist and SEE WHO THE MAIN ACCOUNTS BEHIND THE HYDRA ARE. they're listed. right. there.
>nero's scumreads are so

weird

even though they all fall in the "null" section
>GOD EVEN THE TOWNREADS come with some shitty modifier. you don't like what about grayfox? something about urging sthar? do what now?

all this stuff spewed
about sthar being scum.
the vote never materializes and the scumread never crystallizes, though.

but then you start shoving this point about people selectively lurking and

that's

not even being applied consistently, so what the hell is it that's guiding your list making?

you are.
a scumbutt.

i will bug the shit out of TTH until she votes you.

[massive]

Ok, everyone here is so much better at mafia than on the other forum. Any articles anywhere I can read to improve?

They're not better, they're just different. And aw you say the sweetest things to me! But seriously, the best way to "get better" is to just keep playing. You said this is your first game here; you may want to check out some of the newbie games that all have an experienced player to help answer questions just like this.

[Heartless]

what the hell are you doing, massive?

[wgeurts]

Hmmm... Monkey man is playing differently this game a quick search of his posts shows. Though DeathState seemingly not caring and changing his vote to MonkeyMan when seemingly under fire is odd. No ones going for a no lynch so I'll go with VOTE: DeathStare.
I honestly can't see how the Sthar vote is logical though, sam for Aneninen vote. Could you clarify those votes possibly?
Also we shouldn't let stavrogin slip our view, he's been online plenty of times to post but only posted some "bed, post latet" stuff.

[sthar8]

Fox, we should do this in spoilers because it's irrelevant to most of the players.

Spoiler:

Look here-

@nero- i'm wagoning for your reactions, i wanna see who cares about a wagon on you, i'm looking for opportunistic vote-hoppers, i'm waiting to expound until you've dug yourself a sufficient hole, or i think my reasoning should be obvious.

I did. It may surprise you, but I actually wrote that post as well. None of those words mean that I have no read on nero. I mean, I even tried reading every third word. It's just not there.

Look here-

@nero- i'm wagoning for your reactions, i wanna see who cares about a wagon on you, i'm looking for opportunistic vote-hoppers, i'm waiting to expound until you've dug yourself a sufficient hole, or i think my reasoning should be obvious.

Yes, that is a post I made. No, I never said or implied that I voted Nero for reactions.

wtf is this. It sounds so odd. "Here is why I might have voted you" Sounds like a scum throwing darts trying to get something to stick.

It's called a "conversation." Also a correction that I don't expect you to understand the nuance of: it was "here are some reasons I might not want you to know why I voted you" not "here are some reasons I might have voted you."

Vocabulary assignment- define and use in a sentence the following words:
Hypothetical
Potential
Strawman
Cause
Ambiguous

You are right about this. I misread your ambiguous post 149

What about that post is ambiguous?

I dont see how I have been demanding?

I don't care if you think I'm town.

But as an intellectual exercise: why would I refuse to explain my reasoning as scum?

I'm not scum explain it to me.

"Hey talk to me now even though i clearly misread your last post!"

Actually, if your post 154 wasn't providing reasons what was the point of it ? I literally cant see anything other than vague reasons for a serious vote.

You say you wont tell scum why you voted.

Are you calling me scum by not giving your "real" reasons?

"sthar's ignoring me so he must be scum. Answer my questions, even though I obviously have no idea what we're talking about!"

Just explain yourself itsn't that hard if you're town.

"IF YOU WERE TOWN you'd drop whatever you're doing to make sure

I

understand what you're talking about!"

Ok I guess it is hard for you.

"the only reason

I

wouldn't be your top priority is if you're scum!"

You had enough time to come back and post how stupid my questioning is but you never answered.

Answered what? Your vast misinterpretation of everything I've said? Damn right! When you start writing me a paycheck that can pay my bills, you can start complaining about how I spend my time. Until then, content yourself with learning to count as well as learning to read. I came back and said "I don't have time to answer your stupid questions right now, I will do so later" and your response was "Why haven't you answered my questions yet, you must be scum."

Kindly fuck off. Also add 'job' to your vocab assignment.

I bet I would be annoying to a scum.

You know, I bet you wouldn't. If I were scum I could take solace in the fact that your poor reading comprehension means I could do all sorts of manipulative shit without you catching on. But I'm town, and this just means that in addition to catching scum I have to listen to you whine about how you might literally die from attention starvation. But then again, if I were scum it would be a priority to crack whatever language it is you're speaking and that seems like it might be frustrating. So you might be right.

Are you saying you did have time to answer the question, but it was annoying? How is asking you to explain your odd posting annoying/demanding?

I'm saying that I had neither the time nor the inclination to deal with your massive misreading problem. And yes, repeated requests to respond to your wild theories based on a functional misunderstanding of the words I use is pretty damn annoying.

Also alot of your arguement against me has been strawman. I just dont see town doing this so much.

Please stop using that term if you're not going to do so correctly.

@ Anti- maybe but I'm busy being an ass. scumpool is currently {dave, monkey} and i need to fact check aneneninenen.

@wegurots- sink or swim time, boss. I have faith that you can engage and play this game. The only problems you've had so far are philosophical ones stemming from the fact that MS games tend to be better balanced than offsite games. There are several IC-qualified players in here who can answer any terminology or theory questions you have. Who do you think is scum?

[GrayFoxxxx]

Hmmm... Monkey man is playing differently this game a quick search of his posts shows. Though DeathState seemingly not caring and changing his vote to MonkeyMan when seemingly under fire is odd. No ones going for a no lynch so I'll go with VOTE: DeathStare.
I honestly can't see how the Sthar vote is logical though, sam for Aneninen vote. Could you clarify those votes possibly?
Also we shouldn't let stavrogin slip our view, he's been online plenty of times to post but only posted some "bed, post latet" stuff.

Very unnecessary ambiguity. Strawman arguements. Im still scumhunting outside of him, but he is my best vote right now.

[wgeurts]

My read on scum at the moment is:
DS and Monkey

[wgeurts]

Hmmm... Monkey man is playing differently this game a quick search of his posts shows. Though DeathState seemingly not caring and changing his vote to MonkeyMan when seemingly under fire is odd. No ones going for a no lynch so I'll go with VOTE: DeathStare.
I honestly can't see how the Sthar vote is logical though, sam for Aneninen vote. Could you clarify those votes possibly?
Also we shouldn't let stavrogin slip our view, he's been online plenty of times to post but only posted some "bed, post latet" stuff.

Very unnecessary ambiguity. Strawman arguements. Im still scumhunting outside of him, but he is my best vote right now.

My argument for Monkey is gut, however DS has changed votes convieniently to Monkey while votes started to be posed against him, Monkey is a great choice as there was already a little discussion on how his wishy-washy reasoning was odd. This could be a true vote, or it could have been an attempt to start a bandwagon and divert attention.
Monkey also honestly doesn't seem to give a crumpet about there being 4 votes against him, you can see no irritation or determination in his posts.