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[notscience]

Are you suspecting Cabd

[Konowa]

SSK's vote is incredibly lazy, I wouldn't call it Scum though.

Vote: Ms Marangal

[orcinus_theoriginal]

konowa, do you want to talk about your reads on cephrir, SMP, Save the Dragons?

[SMP]

My agenda for the day looks like mara, SMP, and flubbernugget although we'll see how things play out.

mara is by far my strongest scum-read so far
-don't see how anybody could've possibly seen that varsoon was town, much less declare him "literal god-town"
-as has been said in this thread, i think mara's tunnel on me leans scum because 1. it's based on nothing 2. level of conviction 3. i have a feeling this is her scum-meta but i definitely have to reread games because all of my meta is a year old

SMP:

My passive ability allows me to gain the ability of the first other player in Black Hole that dies.

A large part of my contention is that this was phrased differently the first time

That would change things somewhat.

you never went back to this even after the information was presented, did you? why not?

Ceph, I'm not getting off of the Varsoon wagon, all that would do would be giving in to Varsoon's thought that town needs to jump off his wagon.

especially since it appears that by this time you completely forgot about the possibility of you changing your reads. I'd like to hear about your thought process between the above two posts

I want to believe that Varsoon, Cephrir and fferyllt are all town and that Varsoon's neighbor post was just a big misunderstanding, but my gut says that one of them is scum.\

as has been mentioned, this is iffy because it's a bunch of meaningless waffle and i'm not quite sure why how you managed to catch up with the thread without having an opinion of one of the three. not quite sure why you waited for me to ask you for your reads

Contrary to what apparently is popular belief:

Lynching town is actually not how to win as town.

But lynching people who don't help town at all is.

But lynching people who don't help town at all is.

does this imply that you don't have a scumread on varsoon?

No, I do. I guess it should read more like "But lynching people who don't help town at all is how to win as town."

this was also rather awkward

looking through SMP's posts he hasn't really done much except for adding occasional one-liners to the varsoon wagon

There were almost 500 posts between 312 and 790, during which I didn't have time to post. In those 500 posts I didn't feel the need to change my vote based on Varsoon's play. Really though, all 312 says is that my thought of how Varsoon could use his abilities as scum might not be right. It doesn't actually change how he played up to and after 312.

Why is it that one of your arguments against me is that I didn't post reads on Varsoon, Ceph and fferyllt right away, but you seem to be ok in doing that with cabd today?

Not sure on Mara yet. Something is off about her posts, but I don't have background info to determine whether that's how she always is or if it's more role card related.

[notscience]

Lazy is how id describe ssk this game

[fferyllt]

Are you suspecting Cabd

Me?

His play here is different from his scum games against me. Also, different from his recent town games against me (in terms of how he sorts me) but this is one of those games where I think I quickly came out very obvtown to anyone who knows how to read me. My one concern, really is pure gibbering paranoia that he's orchestrating the play of someone in my neighborhood.

One thing that makes me think it's baseless paranoia is that both orci and Ceph are giving me townfeels based on their meta and their reactions to the game state. I think if Cabd were orchestrating that, his "puppet" in the neighborhood would be doing stuff that would leave Cabd-fingerprints.

Hard to explain.

[Cephrir]

Notscience, do you have any other actual solid reads?

Do you?

The first game I skimmed through was http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=52813 timeshift mafia. This game started out with her in a hydra, and she continued solo as a really demotivated townie before she got replaced day 4. I see basically zero similarities.

This game throws me. Mara was obvioulsy town there for reasons not pertaining to her play, but it doesn't match the picture she's painted for me of her mindset in mafia games.

Which also reminds me—Mara’s defense of varsoon consisted purely of driving a counterwagon and not actually stepping in to say why varsoon was town.

FMPOV, this doesn't look like the action of someone who doesn't want a lynch to go through. Even though derailing it was unrealistic, I see a protesting townie as more likely to behave the way STD has, rather than insisting something will happen, irrationally, when it obviously will not.

In other news I stumbled upon teen wolf mafia and am now positively convinced SMP belongs in my scumpile.

You should talk about this and/or tell me to go read it myself.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=59051 Mini 1608: town fery, scum honey bee, mara + ceph hydra, ssk SK.

Mara took a backseat in this hydra from what I can tell

Sort of. There were times I was totally disengaged too. It was not a very good game for us, we were both busy.

It's going to be a bear for me to get back into this game, I think. :/

You're not in this game right now??

I'm rereading at the moment, screw you for lynching while I was gone.

Yuck

Still catching up (page 32), first large game and didn't realize 20 pages were possible almost overnight. I do have to say that THIS is not sitting well with me, especially on day 1. Trying to sway a doc's target in a game this large, where there are more than likely uncommon power roles, this early just doesn't sit well with me.

How about now, in light of there not being a scum kill last night?

Also I'd like to talk to ceph when he comes online.

If this specifically requires live interaction, bad time. Otherwise, yo. Sup.

The case against Ms Marangal is wack. You seem to have taken everything out of context while thoroughly slipping your bias in.

Vote: grapes

What's whack is this post. Did you and SSK do anything last night? A simple yes/no will suffice.

I'm sort of suspicious of you. You always says the perfect thing that scum would say in every game, even if you're town.

I feel like she's precisely the opposite of this as both alignments from my limited observations. From an observer's standpoint I've just thought she was super town in the twoish games of hers I have skimmed. One was a scum game.

unfortunately I don't like discussing my Cabd read in front of Cabd

Yeah, no. That's not how this game works, orci. You don't just get to opt out of reading a player because you don't like to publically state it.

It's called neighborhoods. Which is what orci should probably do with this and partially is doing.

unfortunately I don't like discussing my Cabd read in front of Cabd

Yeah, no. That's not how this game works, orci. You don't just get to opt out of reading a player because you don't like to publically state it.

Unfortunate, isn't it?

More so for you than me. VOTE: Orci

.... :/

[orcinus_theoriginal]

There were almost 500 posts between 312 and 790, during which I didn't have time to post. In those 500 posts I didn't feel the need to change my vote based on Varsoon's play. Really though, all 312 says is that my thought of how Varsoon could use his abilities as scum might not be right. It doesn't actually change how he played up to and after 312.

Why is it that one of your arguments against me is that I didn't post reads on Varsoon, Ceph and fferyllt right away, but you seem to be ok in doing that with cabd today?

Not sure on Mara yet. Something is off about her posts, but I don't have background info to determine whether that's how she always is or if it's more role card related.

I think there's an obvious difference between me refusing to give a read on cabd and you posting 302 and then giving reads when i asked. Are you deliberately overlooking that?

What do you think is 'off' about mara's posts?

[fferyllt]

You're not in this game right now??

From a what now perspective, very much so. I'm getting there.

[Cephrir]

Why is it that one of your arguments against me is that I didn't post reads on Varsoon, Ceph and fferyllt right away, but you seem to be ok in doing that with cabd today?

I'm fairly certain your reason for this isn't that you're afraid of us learning what your read is. I mean, what. You don't have extensive meta with me at least, and it's not like someone's going to shoot you for scumreading them when you're basically a lurker.

[Konowa]

Ceph being Town is the only thing I'm absolutely certain of.
STD I think is Town - He actively was trying to figure out the Varsoon situation Yesterday
SMP - I really don't remember any of his posts?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

FMPOV, this doesn't look like the action of someone who doesn't want a lynch to go through. Even though derailing it was unrealistic, I see a protesting townie as more likely to behave the way STD has, rather than insisting something will happen, irrationally, when it obviously will not.

i actually wrote in a tab somewhere explaining why STD and mara's treatment of the varsoon wagon were notably different, and then i lost it i guess??? but this boils it down

You should talk about this and/or tell me to go read it myself.

SMP was useful in teen wolf

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ceph being Town is the only thing I'm absolutely certain of.

stronger/weaker than your fery read?

[Cephrir]

One thing that makes me think it's baseless paranoia is that both orci and Ceph are giving me townfeels based on their meta and their reactions to the game state. I think if Cabd were orchestrating that, his "puppet" in the neighborhood would be doing stuff that would leave Cabd-fingerprints.

This relies on the assumption that either orcinus or myself is unconfident enough in our scum game to let Cabd run us, does it not? Given the way I think as scum, I wouldn't be likely to take input on how to use my neighborhood.

[Cephrir]

Ceph being Town is the only thing I'm absolutely certain of.
STD I think is Town - He actively was trying to figure out the Varsoon situation Yesterday
SMP - I really don't remember any of his posts?

So you're reading the game, but still not really trying to do anything? What do you want to do?

[Konowa]

They're both pretty Town, but if I had to rank them Ceph then ffery.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What's whack is this post. Did you and SSK do anything last night? A simple yes/no will suffice.

Our QT was blocked all night, so no. We are talking now that the new topic has opened.

I'm fine with my vote on grape because I have more townreads than scumreads right now, thanks for your input though.

[Konowa]

So you're reading the game, but still not really trying to do anything? What do you want to do?

The game started at a wrong time for me and I'm still trying to find the motivation to -really- read that clusterfuck of D1.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

This relies on the assumption that either orcinus or myself is unconfident enough in our scum game to let Cabd run us, does it not? Given the way I think as scum, I wouldn't be likely to take input on how to use my neighborhood.

idk i'd take input on how to convince my neighbors to fakeclaim masons with me

[Honey bee]

Because I had scumread on mara independent of varsoon's alignment. I actually posted in neighborhood yesterday that my scumread on mara was more concrete than mine on varsoon. And as to the second point, here's a quote.

If you want to get me lynched, I suggest finding actual scum motivation or, at least try to.

I'm well aware of how easy it is to latch on to the shinest thing, as scum though!

Her read strikes me more as misguided than scum looking for an excuse to tunnel. I got the sensation that she's fighting to win an argument against her mislynch targets as scum but in this game I feel she's just making her thoughts known.

VOTE: bipolarChemist I still don't like you especially with the flip.

@ceph: I need to know if you can keep a secret.

[notscience]

Town-
ffery
cabd

[notscience]

I'm not sure about SMP, atm I'm leaning town but I'm back and forth

[Cephrir]

@ceph: I need to know if you can keep a secret.

If you mean from my neighbors, I guess so?

If this is supposed to be a wink wink do you know what I'm talking about then no, I do not.

[Honey bee]

Do you have 2 stars?

[SMP]

There were almost 500 posts between 312 and 790, during which I didn't have time to post. In those 500 posts I didn't feel the need to change my vote based on Varsoon's play. Really though, all 312 says is that my thought of how Varsoon could use his abilities as scum might not be right. It doesn't actually change how he played up to and after 312.

Why is it that one of your arguments against me is that I didn't post reads on Varsoon, Ceph and fferyllt right away, but you seem to be ok in doing that with cabd today?

Not sure on Mara yet. Something is off about her posts, but I don't have background info to determine whether that's how she always is or if it's more role card related.

I think there's an obvious difference between me refusing to give a read on cabd and you posting 302 and then giving reads when i asked. Are you deliberately overlooking that?

What do you think is 'off' about mara's posts?

Yes, I gave reads on the 3 main components of yesterday's wagon after 300 posts. I wasn't necessarily going to right away, hence post 302, but you asked and I figured I might as well throw my 2 cents in of what I was thinking at the time. My reads in 306 weren't complete and are still subject to change as info presents itself.

The tone just seems off in Mara's posts. I guess the best way to describe it is vague in general, but focused on certain individuals. Once again, I don't know if this is normal or not.

Ffery why don't you have hood access anymore

The hood split up. Ceph, Orci and I have a neighborhood now. ABR and SSK are still in the formerly big neighborhood.

I remember you mentioning this yesterday but I can't find the post. Was the neighborhood separated due to one of you 3 using an ability?