Open 579: Pick Your (Chocolate) Power -- Game Over

[Alchemist21]

I'm of the opinion there are a great many players who don't have a clue how to scumhunt. I'm one of them. Scumreading someone purely for not scumhunting is dumb. Of course, there are scum ways and town ways of not scumhunting.

Besides that, I don't really get why I'm being voted lol.

There's a difference between trying to scumhunt and doing it wrong and then intentionally not scumhunting. You made it sound like you think it's never scummy to not scumhunt regardless of which one it is.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Okay. The real reason my wgeurts vote is scummy is because the amy unvote only happened then. From like #170 to my unvote was basically this

i was going to unvote amy because i dont have a strong scumread there
then i realized i dont have any stronger scumreads

And yeah, my townread on dave is because he hasn't done any obvious town stuff. He has very little content, but he is not lurking at all. Or maybe it's the opposite, that he's lurking but still producing some content? Idk. It's kinda gut, and kindof the terms I'm using being so ill-defined.

Pedit: aw noooo... Don't tell me that I said something I thought was innocuous but the whole game takes as a scumslip again. Yuck.

[insanity018]

Votecount 1.6

wgeurts

(3): davesaz, Siveure DtTrikyp, Flubbernugget

Siveure DtTrikyp

(3): wgeurts, Mathdino, Alchemist21

Flubbernugget

(2): Ankamius, Venrob

Amy Farrah Fowler

(2): Aneninen, droog

Alchemist21

(1): farside22

Aneninen

(1): Amy Farrah Fowler

Not Voting

(2): TheAdrienC, Romitelli

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-12-07 08:00:00)

farside22 is V/LA unti Friday
Aneninen is LA

[TheAdrienC]

I'm gonna be V/LA til Saturday. Retail and all that.

Noted. ~insanity

[droog]

i remember asking anenimem some questions
and i like the way amy handled herself
so im going to brazenly sheep her

VOTE: vanenimem

((pre-emptively negating the 'buddying' accusations))

[Alchemist21]

Okay. The real reason my wgeurts vote is scummy is because the amy unvote only happened then. From like #170 to my unvote was basically this

i was going to unvote amy because i dont have a strong scumread there
then i realized i dont have any stronger scumreads

And yeah, my townread on dave is because he hasn't done any obvious town stuff. He has very little content, but he is not lurking at all. Or maybe it's the opposite, that he's lurking but still producing some content? Idk. It's kinda gut, and kindof the terms I'm using being so ill-defined.

Pedit: aw noooo... Don't tell me that I said something I thought was innocuous but the whole game takes as a scumslip again. Yuck.

That P-edit sounds sarcastic as hell and it's not going to get me off your back. Your Dave townread sounds weak too. You think he's town, but the two possible reasons you give for feeling that way are polar opposites.

[TheAdrienC]

I'll try to read posts on my phone during my V/LA to make sure I come back completely caught up.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

You missed the again in the p-edit. Tbh, realized after I posted it that it is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The two reasons I give both work, depending on how you define lurking and content. And thats kindof the issue with them.

[Alchemist21]

Is Dave your only townread? Are you confident in that read?

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

I am very bad at revising reads, so I'm trying to avoid committing to them too early.

I'm reasonably confident in davesaz for day 1. It's not a read I'd be taking to lylo.

[Alchemist21]

So you know your play is so bad it hurts you as Town, but instead of trying to fix it and get better, you try to excuse yourself like some kind of VI? Then you say it's ok for other players to not scumhunt. How exactly do you expect Town to find Scum? If you're Town you really need to step up your game.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Siveure DtTrikyp

[davesaz]

I think that Siveure DtTrikyp is trying too hard to buddy me.

Spoiler: quotes

Help I don't know what to post.

Was this meant to be first person, as in you don't know what to post, or sarcasm about wgeurts?

Me.

I don't have a clue what to say.

Don't really like the way math distances from the amy wagon after leaving it...

I did a quick search, Amy's not experienced,

let's take that off the table.

About math's distancy stuff, this.

Oh.



Let's take this off the table.

UNVOTE: amy farrah fowler

Really not feeling this wagon any more.

I don't think conflicting or contradictory opinions makes her scummy, and there's not an enormous amount otherwise.

Also, Anen's latest post looks really confbiasy. So what if she's not scumhunting?

IN OTHER NEWS, dave has put down a non-rvs vote. This is BIG NEWS. Lets support this!

VOTE: wgeurts

While I don't mind people town reading me, it doesn't fit well (or even at all) with the rest of his posting. The wgeurts vote is straight up sheeping, despite the commentary in the post. Even more ironic is that the point of my vote was to pressure wgeurts into doing something, and it gets sheeped by another player who isn't really hunting. And the buddy act continues on later.

VOTE: Siveure DtTrikyp

@Ankamius, you may recall that I don't like naked votes.

[Ankamius]

That's okay, because I posted the meat of why I think he's scum on the last page.

[Mathdino]

What the fuck with these wagons I keep starting...

You have GOT to be kidding me.

It's actually creeping me out by now. I'm guessing there may be a scum avoiding my wagons altogether. Way too tired but want to do more wagon analysis tomorrow.

[Alchemist21]

Wgeurts started the wagon this time.

[Mathdino]

Oh okay.

Still. Been 1st or 2nd in like every wagon except (finally) Vic Sage here's wagon.

[davesaz]

@Ank, yes you did.

@Mathdino, it's starting to creep me out that you get creeped out by the wagons. I expect some of the wagons I'm on early to grow, and some to go nowhere. It would have to be reaching the L-3 or higher level to really bother me. Wagons that get that far are much more revealing than ones which evaporate at 4 votes.

I note in this case that the reasons that people voted for are not all the same.

[Mathdino]

I'm not sure how many people you think it takes to lynch, but the Amy wagon, wgeurts wagon, AND the Siveure wagon have all reached L-3.

It's creepy because this usually doesn't happen for me and it's making me paranoid.

[davesaz]

Should be 8 to lynch, and thought we peaked at 4. Though I'm not paying attention to keeping mental count, TBH.

It's essential to keep the wagon at a pressure level long enough for the target to respond, since that response is important input to reads. Though one thing to keep in mind is that daytalk lets scum organize a hammer easier.

[Alchemist21]

Here's something else to consider. Siv is 4th in the draft order. If he's scum, I think there's a good chance he got his submitted role choice, and he would also likely be the highest scum in the draft order.

If he's town, this wagon would be an easy mislynch.

If he's scum and his draft pick returned Vanilla, then this might be a wagon where the scumteam will bus.

However, if he holds a key role for the scumteam, and we push the wagon harder, I think we'll see some ratalliation from the scum hoping to keep an important role for them in the game.

[Aneninen]

UNVOTE:
What if that was a town-flail from Amy?

I looked into the chat and I don't understand clearly:
– Why is the Wgeurts wagon?
– Why is the Siveure wagon?

Alchemystique, your reasoning in your pervious post is pigeon poop. Yeah, he's the 4th in the Draft. If he's scum, he must have a PR but this is also true if he's town. By the way, aren't you the first one in the draft? I don't understand this reasoning coming from that slot at all!

[Mathdino]

Here's something else to consider. Siv is 4th in the draft order. If he's scum, I think there's a good chance he got his submitted role choice, and he would also likely be the highest scum in the draft order.

If he's town, this wagon would be an easy mislynch.

If he's scum and his draft pick returned Vanilla, then this might be a wagon where the scumteam will bus.

However, if he holds a key role for the scumteam, and we push the wagon harder, I think we'll see some ratalliation from the scum hoping to keep an important role for them in the game.

Dude you have no idea how many scumpoints you just got for if Siveure flips town. No idea.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

If I flip town? I'm definitely flipping then?

Also, I was kindof weirded out at the start of the game because I am actually vanilla.

Wait, I need to reread to check role stuffs...

Welp, nothing coming out of that.

[insanity018]

bump