Open 579: Pick Your (Chocolate) Power -- Game Over

[Mathdino]

Alchemist21 - 4
davesaz - 6

Hayate Yagami

Ankamius - 8
Siveure DtTrikyp - 13
Venrob - 15
Aneninen - 1
Romitelli - 1
Amy Farrah Fowler - 3
farside22 - 3
Mathdino - 5
wgeurts - 5
Flubbernugget - 2

gangsta_duck41

AdrienC - 2
droog - 2

Groups that don't have more than one scum:

Alchemist, Siveure, davesaz

: Finding it unlikely Siv would've let Alch go for 4. Alch's behaviour is mostly scummy if Siveure flips town. Setup spec tells me it's unlikely there's more than one scum here simply because Siveure didn't get his pick, along with a few other things.

Aneninen, Romitelli:

High chance for Anen to be scum if Siv's town. It'd certainly fit the whole "scum chooses one high, one low, and one middle" draft pattern. Until we get a flip, no comment on this pair.

Amy, farside:

Amy more likely than farside, but I'm less confident in my Amy read than I was due to aforementioned wagon patterns.

Mathdino, wgeurts:

wgeurts is prob town by this point.

Flubbernugget, Adrien, droog

: Hmm. Originally I'd have gone with Flubber but people's input makes me less sure. Also voting patterns make me think Flubber and Siveure aren't a thing. So I'd go with Adrien.

Ankamius

: Not enough to tell. Every one of Hayate's posts were null IMO.

Very much appreciate the low number of groups to go through. This, people, is why you don't pick 9001 or 42. NKs in the top section will make it easier. As of now, here are my 2 callings of the more-likely-to-be-scum-of-the-groups:

If Siv's scum

: Siveure, Romitelli, Amy, wgeurts, Adrien, Ankamius

If Siv's town

: Alchemist, Aneninen, Amy, wgeurts, Flubbernugget, Ankamius

Anyone got any input, I'm welcome to it.

[Mathdino]

Hey wgeurts, droog, if it helps, go through my ISO and lemme know what you're seeing. Interested to hear.

[Mathdino]

Missed Venrob. Whoops.

Prob town. Could become scum out of PoE since it's a relatively weak townread but town nonetheless.

[Mathdino]

Scum draft pick history:

Open 542: 1, 2, 6
Open 518: 5, 12, 42
Open 506: 1, 5, 6
Open 468: 1, 10, 22
Open 472: 1, 3, 7
Open 427: 1, 4, 8

With the exception of the last one, it always seems to follow the pattern of low number, middle number, high number. Relatively speaking.

[wgeurts]

Alchemist21 - 4
davesaz - 6

Hayate Yagami

Ankamius - 8
Siveure DtTrikyp - 13
Venrob - 15
Aneninen - 1
Romitelli - 1
Amy Farrah Fowler - 3
farside22 - 3
Mathdino - 5
wgeurts - 5
Flubbernugget - 2

gangsta_duck41

AdrienC - 2
droog - 2

Groups that don't have more than one scum:

Alchemist, Siveure, davesaz

: Finding it unlikely Siv would've let Alch go for 4. Alch's behaviour is mostly scummy if Siveure flips town. Setup spec tells me it's unlikely there's more than one scum here simply because Siveure didn't get his pick, along with a few other things.

Aneninen, Romitelli:

High chance for Anen to be scum if Siv's town. It'd certainly fit the whole "scum chooses one high, one low, and one middle" draft pattern. Until we get a flip, no comment on this pair.

Amy, farside:

Amy more likely than farside, but I'm less confident in my Amy read than I was due to aforementioned wagon patterns.

Mathdino, wgeurts:

wgeurts is prob town by this point.

Flubbernugget, Adrien, droog

: Hmm. Originally I'd have gone with Flubber but people's input makes me less sure. Also voting patterns make me think Flubber and Siveure aren't a thing. So I'd go with Adrien.

Ankamius

: Not enough to tell. Every one of Hayate's posts were null IMO.

Very much appreciate the low number of groups to go through. This, people, is why you don't pick 9001 or 42. NKs in the top section will make it easier. As of now, here are my 2 callings of the more-likely-to-be-scum-of-the-groups:

If Siv's scum

: Siveure, Romitelli, Amy, wgeurts, Adrien, Ankamius

If Siv's town

: Alchemist, Aneninen, Amy, wgeurts, Flubbernugget, Ankamius

Anyone got any input, I'm welcome to it.

Fully manufactured BS, why?
Because you say I'm prob town and then go on to say I'm likely scum whatever siv flips. You also seem to be buddying me through this and I don't like it.
VOTE: Mathdino
Siv can wait.

[wgeurts]

Oh wait, I'm an idiot UNVOTE:
VOTE: Siv
Nvm.

[Mathdino]

lol'd

For anyone looking in on the outside, I was talking about who's more likely to be scum out of each of the groups I outlined.

I obviously don't have 6 (now 7) scumreads, haha.

[Flubbernugget]

V/LA family illness.

Noted. Hope they recover soon.

Also, please bold this in the future. ~insanity

[Ankamius]

Ankamius,

why is davesaz scum?

I think he's town. Prob conftown if Siv flips scum, along with the actual doc.

ISO #2 and #3 are too ridiculous for me to believe it's legitimate and #3 doesn't actually say anything while looking like it should have.

Nothing beyond that gave me any town feel from his posts.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

I was planning on checking siv's ISO in Open 472, and didn't want a lynch while i was gone. Figured better safe than sorry.

My results from ISO'ing him show that he is a hell of a lot more active post-wise in this game than 472

, though actual content in posts isn't much better. He was scum jailkeeper that game, (which was this same setup), and lasted to the day before lylo. Of course his scumbuddy Ser Arthur Dayne had everyone thinking of him as the towniest person, so town lost anyway that game.

His play is similar between these 2 games, and he was scum in that one. VOTE: Siv

Loooool.

Not getting noticed was the entire plan to my play in 472. It worked, up until lylo and cop claimed and "hey, scum is in these 4 players. Siv has done absolutely nothing, for the entire game, at all. That's scum."

You CANNOT legitimately claim I'm scum because my play is similar to 472, because it just isn't.

Well, a weird part of me was about to throw out an argument against the jailkeeper based on me flipping scum. Don't think I have much to offer right now.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Also if by some miracle the doc is town, the best move for scum is probably to nightkill below me in the draft.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Very much appreciate the low number of groups to go through. This, people, is why you don't pick 9001 or 42.

Well screw you too.

[Aneninen]

Okay, having a little time I try to do something useful.

@Siveure. Who asked the question you answered the crumb for and where?

rereading this i have no idea what you mean
amy proposes that certain roles aren't scummy choices
to which you object because... town could choose those not-scummy roles?

No, Druuge.
Some of the roles are indeed more beneficial to the scum but they may be useful for a townie as well. Amy pointed that out. However, townies could choose a scummy role like Vig to keep the scums off them and Amy never mentioned it. Those two things

together

are scummy, in my opinion. (Check it out, I posted the same a couple of times before.)

Mathdino, 375 – okay, I'm telling you something. Believe me or not, I picked 1 because I thought that the scums would go for that number too. Before Open567 (which was abandoned) I checked all the previous drafts and I have a paper with the numbers, players, roles etc. near my computer. (Next to the E.B.O.N.Y. NewLevels pages lololol.) However, in 567 the scums picked 4, 9 and 12 and I strongly suspected that they might pick smaller numbers this time and I was scared that no townie would be a "scapegoat" to pick 1 and intentionally get a bad draft because of that. On the other hand I'm surprised that 4 won and all of the small numbers were doubled and I ended up 6th.

Also if by some miracle the doc is town, the best move for scum is probably to nightkill below me in the draft.

WHUT?

[Mathdino]

@E.B.O.N.Y. Blade (I really love nicknaming you xD): That's a ballsy claim, especially right after I listed all the scum draft picks. Probably true. Would be very unsurprised if Romitelli was scum.

I think Siveure means that the doc is prob self protecting.

[Aneninen]

Also, let's see those wagons.
+ = the player was/is on that particular wagon
– = the player was/is away
0 = that player was/is wagoned
The order of the signs: Amy, Wgeurts, Siveure. Draft is in brackets.

Alchemist21 (4) : – + +
davesaz (6) : – + +
Ankamius (8) : – – +
Siveure DtTrikyp (13) : + + 0
Venrob (15) : – – +
Aneninen (1) : + – –
Romitelli (1) : – – – (very few posts from this slot)
Amy Farrah Fowler (3) : 0 – –
farside22 (3) : – – –
Mathdino (5) : + + +
wgeurts (5) : – 0 +
Flubbernugget (2) : + + –
Adrien C (2) : – – – (very few posts from this slot)
droog (2) : + – –

This might tell us a couple of things.
First of all, I may be wrong about Amy. If she were scum she could have jumped on any of the wagons to save her a$$. That didn't happen.
If Siveure is scum (note that he was on both wagons) we should pay attention to Flubber too who was on the first two wagons.
Farside may be town, she was uninterested in all of the wagons. Unsure about Romitelli and AdrienC because of too little content.
Alchemystique and Davesaz were doing the same. Mathdino is the only player who was on all of the wagons, though if my memories are correct he had left the Amy-wagon before it started to dissolve. I'm not sure what to think about this phenomenon (away from Amy, on for Wgeurts and Siveure) but there might be at least one but maximum two scums among these three players if Siveure flips town. Although, I must admit that this pattern might be a coincidence too.
Another interesting thing: there were no players who were on both the Amy and Siveure wagons but away from the Wgeurts wagon. I don't know whether it is significant.

Post-edit: Romitelli is auto-FoS in my eyes because of his draft but I apart from that he's null: mere 6 posts and 4 of those are contentless. And I don't have problems with funny names, I'm using some on others too. ^_^

[insanity018]

Votecount 1.9

Siveure DtTrikyp

(6): Mathdino, Alchemist21, Ankamius, davesaz, Venrob, wgeurts

(L-2)

Alchemist21

(2): farside22, Siveure DtTrikyp

Aneninen

(2): Amy Farrah Fowler, droog

wgeurts

(1): Flubbernugget

Not Voting

(3): Aneninen, TheAdrienC, Romitelli

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-12-07 08:00:00)

farside22 is V/LA until Friday
Aneninen is LA
TheAdrienC is V/LA until Saturday
Venrob is possibly V/LA for one week
Alchemist21 is V/LA for the weekend
davesaz is V/LA until Sunday evening
Flubbernugget is V/LA

[farside22]

Catch up with the game will happen tomorrow, sorry for the delay.

[insanity018]

Mod, can the doc self protect?

From the wiki entry for doctor, no, the doctor cannot self protect.

[Mathdino]

Mod, can the doc self protect?

From the wiki entry for doctor, no, the doctor cannot self protect.

-_-

Yeah okay the doc's pretty much dead.

[wgeurts]

Mod, can the doc self protect?

From the wiki entry for doctor, no, the doctor cannot self protect.

-_-

Yeah okay the doc's pretty much dead.

I see no doc claim.

[Mathdino]

There's scum in the top 4. I'll eat my hat if there's not.

By that, it'll be incredibly easy for scum to figure out who it is.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Also if by some miracle the doc is town, the best move for scum is probably to nightkill below me in the draft.

Regardless of what scum would do, town doc has to protect low, I mean. They're either shooting the doc or low.

And this quote is actually stupidly scummy.

I wish I wasn't getting lynched so I could actually explain that at a good time dangit.

Anen, nobody asked the question. The point of answering them was purely to crumb.

Oh no. I'm going into setup breaking mode. Frak.

Hmm. I'm legitimately questioning whether anen is actually this dumb. And I'm a little sick of sheeping by now.

VOTE: aneninen

[farside22]

I'm making notes here as I reread and catch up.

I'm not sure why alchemist felt the need to make a comment about flugger's comments as null.

Amy: I asked ven about his history, what is your read on him?

Dino: why is the reaction weird

Alchemist [ url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6402026]dont get this[/url] people don't react just because of a vote.

Dave's post 117 is something to keep in mind to see if the pattern repeats.

Droog: why are you voting here for amy especially as Dino is voting for her as well? You think dino maybe scum for reason's I disagree with and he voted his scum buddy?

Wgerts: what happened between this post:

Ok droog and mathdino are town,
I'd like alchemist to do be so as well however I'm unsure on him. Also, alchemist screw you for making any negative comments on you look like WIFOM .
Anyway, I'll make a proper reads list and explanation in a sec.

And this post:

I need to reread and take a really good look.

Why the reread so early?

Amy: I asked about any town reads or if anything a feeling you have about anyone thus far other then dino.

My top townreads are you and droog.

Why?

VOTE: amy

Give us a vote pls.

I really hate this vote, looks hella opportunitic

That's flybber's personality wgertus

I am not confident enough in this wagon.
If it hits l-1 I will Unvote. O

Scum!

Vote: droog

Town reads:

Dino
Anen


Scum:

Alchemist
Droog
Flubber

Stoped at the end of page 6.

[Mathdino]

Dino: why is the reaction weird

Defencive. Fishy. Overreaction. More gut than anything, I wouldn't put too much emphasis on it while building a "why Siv is scum" list.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Why are defensive fishy overreactions only a scum thing to do?