NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

[Psyche]

where is this textbook on newbscum and how much must i pay to read it

[Psyche]

vote oka

his epic plan

[Psyche]

wow.

[Psyche]

i don't believe it at all, at all
i pray to god that no one counterclaims

[Psyche]

i dont understand how you are townreading this

[Psyche]

you guys are like really bad

[Psyche]

vote texcat

oka is obvscum but whatever

[Psyche]

what?

[Psyche]

randomly?

[Psyche]

vote aegor

i hear muffinman is a rising star in these parts

[Psyche]

i'm really sorry for being shit today guys
at first, it was all deliberate and purposeful,
but then i let myself get down for all the bad reasons

[Psyche]

i feel nothing
absolutely nothing
am i doing it wrong??

[Psyche]

okay now i feel dizzy

[Psyche]

I love how people call me a lurker when I've been V/LA for the past 4 days. I don't generally have a high post count, and yet it's still in the range of some that aren't being called lurkers. However, I digress.

I read through tex's ISO, and while there are one or two posts that I wasn't fond of, he doesn't reek of scum to me. The Aegor wagon, however, I can get behind. He continues to push the texcat lynch with little reasoning, most of them time referring people to check his ISO. He's been tunneling since the beginning, and hasn't provided much to the game.

VOTE: Aegor

these are bad reasons to vote for aegor
vote for aegor because muffinman reads him as scum

[Psyche]

I love how people call me a lurker when I've been V/LA for the past 4 days. I don't generally have a high post count, and yet it's still in the range of some that aren't being called lurkers. However, I digress.

I read through tex's ISO, and while there are one or two posts that I wasn't fond of, he doesn't reek of scum to me. The Aegor wagon, however, I can get behind. He continues to push the texcat lynch with little reasoning, most of them time referring people to check his ISO. He's been tunneling since the beginning, and hasn't provided much to the game.

VOTE: Aegor

these are bad reasons to vote for aegor
vote for aegor because muffinman reads him as scum

Are you reading muffin as town?

it's mostly gut but you can call it a leap of faith if you want

[Psyche]

Honestly, thats just how Aegor sort of acts though.

@Josh I dont recall asking who we were lynching. Feel free to keep tapking about who you

would

lynch if there wasnt a better wagon, though.

Your mild resistance to lynching Aegor has been noted. Maybe we can talk more about that in DP2.

he's completely right though
aegor has a way of pushing lynches that just sucks, even when he's town

[Psyche]

QQ
QQ
QQ

i keep fucking up with you aegor

[Psyche]

AGHHHHH

muffin tell me what to do
and this time tell me why

[Psyche]

unvote

it's all just so much

[Psyche]

vote texcat

I believe Aegor and I'm sad because I should have sooner.

[Psyche]

AGHHHHH

muffin tell me what to do
and this time tell me why

dunno but I find it weird that no one, including Aegor himself, has brought up how odd it is to see both a doc and a bodyguard (especially since from a design perspective making the doc macho is the smarter choice since doc is more powerful than bodyguard)

it implies either oka is a scum doc or scum have no method of roleblocking or one of them is fake claiming (or wake just has really weird ideas about game design compared to me)

oka is scum

[Psyche]

i will be a bit distracted for the next couple days due to school stuff and will delay any big plays for until then

[Psyche]

i don't really know what has happened yet today but fully support the aero wagon

[Psyche]

woo

[Psyche]

there is a cop?

[Psyche]

Alright. This wasn't my finest hour.

Sorry team, I'll be rooting for you in the dead QT.

Imma go cry softly now

kk are we waiting on something?

[Psyche]

ok

vote aero

[Psyche]

this didnt happen yesterday did it?

[Psyche]

Um I'll set aside some time tonight.

[Psyche]

So could someone tell me what happened yesterday precisely? I read that someone claimed cop but I can't find the claim.

[Psyche]

guys plz gimme a moment i can make everything neat

[Psyche]

so why do people think i am scum?

[Psyche]

you guys can lynch me if you want i really don't care
well i guesssss i do

i totally dig the oka wagon, but i don't want to join and frame it as the counterwagon to psyche, thereby besmirtching its wholesomenessnesss

[Psyche]

so why do people think i am scum?

Because you are totally scummy. But, if you fake a PR claim real quick, we won't lynch you today.

Claim doc was we can put down Oka.

hey guys i am a dayvig
but i cant prove it until D7

[Psyche]

why

[Psyche]

are you a real person

[Psyche]

im sorry but im just too busy to do much right now

[Psyche]

reinoe isss trying <3

[Psyche]

you know
i read this amazing set of studies about lie detection and i desperately want to test them
but i dont have the time

[Psyche]

im gonna let marquis handle all dialogue concerning masonry

[Psyche]

oka
ill tell you if im a mason if you tell us what your role actually is

[Psyche]

you shouldnt have to ask

[Psyche]

so right now scum can predict who you are going to protect

[Psyche]

probably.

They know who I read as town and can outguess me using information on who i protected last time.

so you don't think you have the ability to act unpredictably,
even though you're able to guess how scum will predict your actions

[Psyche]

i actually have no idea how i feel about marquis's decision to expose us
it is that bizarre

[Psyche]

im never getting lynched reinoe

[Psyche]

oh, majiffy is still alive
why?

[Psyche]

i havent even joined a wagon

[Psyche]

i never voted pv

[Psyche]

it looks like the sk is mostly just avoiding crosskills

[Psyche]

i dont think anyone here can give me a good reason to vote pv after the last few pages

[Psyche]

clever

[Psyche]

marquis and i are a two-for-one

[Psyche]

woo

[Psyche]

it was a pretty silly question

[Psyche]

oh majiffy is scum

it's going to be hard to lynch him though :/

i told you i told you i told you

[Psyche]

come on pv, critical reading

[Psyche]

come on pv, critical reading

*sigh*

Who are your other 3 scumreads besides Majiffy?

i should probably replace out

[Psyche]

it is totally in my and the town's interest not to clarify the mason issue further

[Psyche]

im just gonna sheep my dude

vote pv

if i dont regain control over my life by tomrrw i will just go

[Psyche]

blatant sheep powers go

[Psyche]

not very credible at all

[Psyche]

sigh

[Psyche]

you don't think you're part of the problem

[Psyche]

i thought we had a doc

[Psyche]

yesssssss

vote majiffy

[Psyche]

I think I'm in the mood to start playing again, but I don't know where to start.

[Psyche]

lulz

[Psyche]

Oh god house...
House we all know you got a scum role.

lol, nah. I haven't run into one of those on this site yet. Seems I roll red on another site.

Kinda interesting that you would have a go at me right off the bat. umadbro? :)

wut

[Psyche]

house's post seemed sort of contrived, piecemeal
but i dunno man

[Psyche]

i think im gonna start posting more and saying less for demonstrative reasons

[Psyche]

isnt this a normal

[Psyche]

like, could that role even occur in this game

[Psyche]

and this many people be dead by now

[Psyche]

i mean, whomever of you is a protective role just sucks

[Psyche]

a fakeclaim screws up the town again

[Psyche]

do not fakeclaim as town
do not fakeclaim as town
do not fakeclaim as town

[Psyche]

oh god yes

[Psyche]

suck it majiffy

[Psyche]

Wait
What about reinoe?
You guys just mislynched a doc over him.

[Psyche]

reinoe
seriously
are you still sticking to your claim?

[Psyche]

I almost always self-hammer as town if I think the wagon on me is shit.

that's really dumb

[Psyche]

at least im not self-hammering

[Psyche]

i did a study once that showed accusing people of flailing was more scummy than doing things that get you accused of flailing

[Psyche]

I just don't see scum making that calculation. It seems unduly rash. Town is more likely to get exasperated with a languishing day than scum. I suppose that WIFOM might be why scum might feel free to do that, but to call this a clearcut thing is just misrepresenting the situation.

[Psyche]

Town quickhammers a town read, Psyche?

Thanks, I'll put that in my notes for the next L-1 I see.

he was

told

that oka had been counterclaimed
that was enough information to change a lot of people's reads

[Psyche]

omg it's pine
you know, pine loves accusing people of flailing

[Psyche]

why don't we talk about this in our mason qt marquis

[Psyche]

Reinoe's case against perv is just terrible, but it's my hope that people are voting for perv for reasons other than his.

[Psyche]

pv's always been one to go on about one thing and then just drop off of the face of the earth until he's prodded
and that's what the case on him seems to amount to
i don't have any reason to townread him, but the cases on him seem based on a bad premise

[Psyche]

pv's always been one to go on about one thing and then just drop off of the face of the earth until he's prodded
and that's what the case on him seems to amount to
i don't have any reason to townread him, but the cases on him seem based on a bad premise

I have 214 posts. Quote my fluffy ones.

wat

[Psyche]

pv's always been one to go on about one thing and then just drop off of the face of the earth until he's prodded
and that's what the case on him seems to amount to
i don't have any reason to townread him, but the cases on him seem based on a bad premise

I have 214 posts. Quote my fluffy ones.

wat

When I post, I most of the time have something to say (or repeat). So, your attempt to characterize me as active lurking is pretty <incorrect>.

i'm not saying that you active lurk
im saying that your activity patterns aren't a good reason to lynch you

[Psyche]

i didn't think majiffy was scum on pg 4 :(

[Psyche]

yeah

[Psyche]

yeah

You voted him and said "not a town mindset".

Sounds like you think he is scum.

it was one of those noncommital page 4 votes you read about in the news

[Psyche]

replacing out

i gotta learn to do this sooner
like infinitely sooner

[Psyche]

we aren't masons
i went with it to make it easier to avoid getting mislynched and because marquis is a clear townread

[Psyche]

do not fakeclaim as town
do not fakeclaim as town
do not fakeclaim as town

Hmmm :igmeou:

think of me as the adam to marquis's eve

[Psyche]

smh

[Psyche]

im not scum guys

[Psyche]

well yeah i was wondering if it was a trap
this dude claimed masons with me
and we weren't masons

[Psyche]

it seemed like a new and exciting opportunity
and made it easier to prevent my lynch
i really do hope i get replaced soon
i haven't had enough time/energy for this game for months

[Psyche]

Yeah, but Town wouldn't be worried about that trap. They've got zero to lose by just saying "Nope, not masons, wtf are you talking about?"

It's not a trap to Town

Vote: Psyche

that's moon logic, man

no one has anything to

lose

from saying "Nope, not masons"
but look at all there is to gain

[Psyche]

does no one else understand my thirst for adventure

[Psyche]

It's not moon logic. Town can't be trapped in that way, you were worried about it being a trap.

Ergo, scum

What are the ways that scum can be trapped in that way that town cannot.

[Psyche]

I do. I often get lynched because of my adventurous playstyle

it's as if you've slapped me

[Psyche]

it's scummy because it's a thing scum disproportionately do

[Psyche]

whether something is beneficial to the town's win con has more to do with whether something is pro or antitown

[Psyche]

of course,
i found no relationship between talk of SKs and town/scumhood back when i was doing psience,
so

[Psyche]

i pretty disagree that it's very consistent
but i suppose to check i'd need a very consistent marker of SK hunting

[Psyche]

it made it a lot easier for me to avoid a mislynch
and increased the odds that i'd be nked

[Psyche]

im not scum

[Psyche]

uh
my replacement will do a good job
you shouldn't lynch me because everything you guys think I've done because I'm scum have in fact been done because I am town and myself

[Psyche]

you really should have replaced me the first time
the fact that i'm still posting doesn't mean you don't have a job to do

[Psyche]

There is nothing disingenuous about wanting to replace out and posting before that happens. At all.

[Psyche]

it'll be hard to sort us out if one of us doesn't stay

[Psyche]

I HAVE OFFICIALLY REQUESTED REPLACEMENT. A LOT.

[Psyche]

ughhh
why is it only a hubbub when it's me

[Psyche]

that's a really dumb reaction test

[Psyche]

I acceded to the claim because it seemed exciting and innocuous at the time, as I had a townread on Marquis. I was also feeling rather lazy and didn't feel like having to shout down people to stay alive. Marquis probably detected that and felt safe making the claim. If I'd known how you guys would have responded to it, I'd have left it to my replacement to deal with the claim. But that just seemed unfair.

[Psyche]

but if you're already set on lynching both of us,
it really makes no sense not to first lynch the guy who has signaled time and time again that he doesn't have the resources to adequately play this game

[Psyche]

Psyche, why did you confess that the mason claim was fake?

i didn't want to make it my replacement's job :/

[Psyche]

Actually, Psyche flipping Town would suggest Marquis!Town. I don't see scum faking Masons with a Townie. High risk low reward

but i should have called marquis out on the fakeclaim

[Psyche]

I'm not scum.

[Psyche]

Cool story bro

I notice you haven't done any scumhunting in like a month

ive been trying to replace out for like a month
you are deliberately ignoring context

[Psyche]

what a convenient thing to start thinking

[Psyche]

You guys forgot to ask for a claim, too.

[Psyche]

i

do

still want to be replaced

[Psyche]

that's discussing ongoing games

[Psyche]

a really interesting effect i read about is that
when people rate people as a liar/truthteller/not sure
the "not sure" choices predict liars better than the "liar" choices

but i'm nit sure how to apply that without being so selfconscious about it that the effect is ruined

[Psyche]

vote shaddowez

i don't feel like thinking atm sry

[Psyche]

fakeclaiming masons is exciting

[Psyche]

thanks for the happy fun times wake

[Psyche]

you're a really creative dude, and I don't think you have to worry if any specific idea of yours has immediate mass appeal or not
many more will come, and if just a couple of them turn out to be winners you're a winner
just keep the thinking up